Danielle Smith turns her back on Canada...

[JohnLarue]

How did you feel about it when Harper did the same thing?

1. Harper's prorogation did not face a court challenge
so not the same thing

2. your fan boy hero made some major mistakes with his political maneuvering
He needs $ to strengthen the boarder as he promised Trump- something like $1.6 B CAD or some allocation of the amount he announced
Money that was not in the previous budget. so he needs to get parliament to approve this spending.
oh wait he shut down parliament

The Americans will ask what progress has been made on the boarder
"We were going implement the plan we outlined but can not get the funds to do so right away"
Yikes

We shall see how this plays out but his ready shoot, am planning might ensure 25% tariffs if no progress is made on the boarder
He is incredibly stupid

3. your fan boy hero Trudeau has used prorogation like a get out jail free card to get his ass out the scandal fire before
His 9 years in office have been nothing but scandals, too many to list

Do not bother trying to even up the scorecard by listing Harper's supposed scandals
Justin's list is just far too long
And there will be a lot of filthy dirty laundry that will see the light of day once the liberals are taken to the carbon tax election woodshed..... STDC, .....foreign interference etc. etc.
There is a lot of tax payer money that your liberals moved around, but do not want to account for and far too many redacted documents that will become unredacted.

That should be the straw that breaks the loyalty of most liberal fan boys.. not you though

 

[JohnLarue]

Danielle smith was riding O'learys coattails. And since she IS the premier of AB, Trump said, sure I will have a side bar with her. She does hold a significant office. Trump is bent outta shape 'cos Biden killed Keystone. Of course O'Leary was happy, he got Trump to agree to the Tik Tok extrension, which also is a good gesture for his future meeting with Xi. So O'Leary probably convinced him destorying a valuable Chinese company was not in anyones interest. Not a hard arguement to make as long as you can convince him you just need more time to line up the $. As for oil I am sure Smith did manage to prompt some questions from Trump to his team. So perhaps the exec orders were tweaked as a result. I am sure lots of voices from the Auto industry were also screaming quite loudly. I critically analyized your clues and concluded from the external data you are full of shit as usual lol.

Nope
Trump would need to approve of D. Smith's invite.
A politician from a foreign province? Of course he approved the invite

Trump very much wants energy independence from overseas bad actors
A politician from a foreign province having the 3rd largest oil reserve in the world ? Of course he approved the invite

Trump hates Justin Trudeau, Smith is not a fan either
A politician from a foreign province who hate Trudeau ? Of course he approved the invite

Both O'Leary and D. Smith were all smiles after the meeting


Trump knows Trudeau has treated Alberta very poorly,.... very poorly

Cant you imagine Trump saying exactly that to D. Smith ?
He always repeats part of his message
treated Alberta very poorly,.... very poorly

D. Smith was not invited to discuss Tik Tok, do not be ridiculous

 

[nottyboi]

Nope
Trump would need to approve of D. Smith's invite.
A politician from a foreign province? Of course he approved the invite

Trump very much wants energy independence from overseas bad actors
A politician from a foreign province having the 3rd largest oil reserve in the world ? Of course he approved the invite

Trump hates Justin Trudeau, Smith is not a fan either
A politician from a foreign province who hate Trudeau ? Of course he approved the invite

Both O'Leary and D. Smith were all smiles after the meeting


Trump knows Trudeau has treated Alberta very poorly,.... very poorly

Cant you imagine Trump saying exactly that to D. Smith ?
He always repeats part of his message
treated Alberta very poorly,.... very poorly

D. Smith was not invited to discuss Tik Tok, do not be ridiculous

Sure of course he had to approve of it. But it was not like GET SMITH TO MAR DEL LARGO. Its was more like, I will take a meeting with her. Its possible Trump will agree to that traitorous cunt and grant a carve out, but I expect that won't stand with the Feds.

Yeah yeah, AB is the new Quebec, whine, bitch moan. They want every province to sacrifice their own objectives to move 7% of Canada s GDP. That is NOT a reasonable perspective. A good way to retaliate against tariffs is to pass a law enforcing supply managent on all oil companies that will put a base price on the oil and add a govt tariff on top of it as long as the US tariffs are in place. Oil companies would make as much, or more, and pressure would be exerted on the US. Win win. It will be like an intra canada OPEC.

As I said Trump cannot achive energy independance with foreign oil. Canadian oil is foreign oil

 

[nottyboi]

1. Harper's prorogation did not face a court challenge
so not the same thing

2. your fan boy hero made some major mistakes with his political maneuvering
He needs $ to strengthen the boarder as he promised Trump- something like $1.6 B CAD or some allocation of the amount he announced
Money that was not in the previous budget. so he needs to get parliament to approve this spending.
oh wait he shut down parliament

The Americans will ask what progress has been made on the boarder
"We were going implement the plan we outlined but can not get the funds to do so right away"
Yikes

We shall see how this plays out but his ready shoot, am planning might ensure 25% tariffs if no progress is made on the boarder
He is incredibly stupid

3. your fan boy hero Trudeau has used prorogation like a get out jail free card to get his ass out the scandal fire before
His 9 years in office have been nothing but scandals, too many to list

Do not bother trying to even up the scorecard by listing Harper's supposed scandals
Justin's list is just far too long
And there will be a lot of filthy dirty laundry that will see the light of day once the liberals are taken to the carbon tax election woodshed..... STDC, .....foreign interference etc. etc.
There is a lot of tax payer money that your liberals moved around, but do not want to account for and far too many redacted documents that will become unredacted.

That should be the straw that breaks the loyalty of most liberal fan boys.. not you though

So no lawsuit was filed, and now one is. That does not all all change it. It only means someone decided to pose the question to the courts in this case, but the circumstances are very similar. Its funny how without a court ruling you somehow claim its different. Its not.

 

[countd]

Send her to the U.S. so she can continue blowing Trump.

 

[JohnLarue]

Sure of course he had to approve of it. But it was not like GET SMITH TO MAR DEL LARGO. Its was more like, I will take a meeting with her. Its possible Trump will agree to that traitorous cunt and grant a carve out, but I expect that won't stand with the Feds.

god you are stunned
Trump very much wants energy independence from overseas bad actors
A politician from a foreign province having the 3rd largest oil reserve in the world ?
The 3rd largest oil reserve in the world, right next door

Yeah yeah, AB is the new Quebec, whine, bitch moan. They want every province to sacrifice their own objectives to move 7% of Canada s GDP.

Actually it sounds like you want Alberta is sacrifice next to all of is GDP
There is a whole lot more than 7% of GDP generateg by the oiland gas sector, directly and indrectly

That is NOT a reasonable perspective.

Killing an economic sector for a failed ideolgy is not reasonable

A good way to retaliate against tariffs is to pass a law enforcing supply managent on all oil companies that will put a base price on the oil and add a govt tariff on top of it as long as the US tariffs are in place. Oil companies would make as much, or more, and pressure would be exerted on the US. Win win. It will be like an intra canada OPEC.

god you are stunned
Supply management is likely specifically what the Americans will specifically target
Quebec Dairy, poultry, eggs and maple syrup for starters

The U.K walked away from a trade deal with Canada because trudeau would not budge on Supply Managment

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/federal-government-should-scrap-supply-management-and-save-canadians-money

Negotiators from the United Kingdom recently halted discussions about a new trade agreement with Canada, with U.K. negotiators walking away reportedly due to the Trudeau government’s reluctance to reform Canada’s system of supply management. Unfortunately, this means Canadians will continue to suffer from this antiquated system.

Canadians pay a lot in taxes and in addition they pay much more for food than US consumers
Food insecurity is a problem that grew during the Morons time as PM

As I said Trump cannot achive energy independance with foreign oil. Canadian oil is foreign oil

And each time you mention it you prove your ignorance

I did not say foreign
Canadian oil is not overseas oil . Look at a map if you do not understand this
Trump does not want to beholding to OPEC
Alberta has the 3rd largest oil reserve in ....... the world

Trump knows Trudeau has treated Alberta very poorly,.... very poorly

Cant you imagine Trump saying exactly that to D. Smith ?
He always repeats part of his message
treated Alberta very poorly,.... very poorly

Still want to treat Alberta like shit?
You should change your handle to "bag of hammers'' if you are going to continue to put your lack of Critical Analysis skills on display.

 

[The Oracle]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1882121098504151338

She's not doing longer format interviews cease she won't be able to skirt the questions as much..

That didn't work for Kamala and it won't work here.

Canada could have been an energy superpower yet the Liberals tanked every opportunity. She needs to answer why.

 

[kstanb]

I remember a couple years ago, that some "experts" were predicting that Germany would be f%cked when they stop buying Russian oil and gas. It just didn't happen, they were able to find another source of energy, probably less efficient and more expensive, but they survived

Going back to Trump threats; if Canada uses oil as a weapon, surely it will hurt the USA for some time, but they will recover, they will find alternatives by buying it from somewhere else, less efficient, more expensive
in exchange, Canada will get a massive drop in income, and since most of pipelines go south, to special refineries designed for heavy oil, Canada might end losing its only customer and that is not something that will be recovered in decades
Of course new pipelines and new refineries can be built, but we are talking many years to have them in production.

So, I can see why the premier of Alberta is trying to de-escalate and/ or put export controls out of retaliation talks

 

[JohnLarue]

She's not doing longer format interviews cease she won't be able to skirt the questions as much..

That didn't work for Kamala and it won't work here.

Canada could have been an energy superpower yet the Liberals tanked every opportunity. She needs to answer why.

so many issues with this interview
she claims she knows that Canadians want to 'fight Climate change": absolute bullshit.. She projects what she wants and claims it is what Canadians want
Thinking mankind can fight our constantly evolving climate is hubris insanity based on a perversion of science

She also states , when Canadians speak, politicians should listen : Such a disingenuous statement from her, she has been talking down to Canadians like we are children for a decade.
She arrogantly refused to listen for a decade.

if it was because her boss the moron Trudeau would not let her listen to Canadians for a decade, well
1. Do not ever work for a boss that decides what you are thinking or who you should/ should not listen to
2. Do not ever work for a corrupt boss
3. She lacked the backbone to stand up to her boss for a decade. We do not want that type of political leader.

The truth of he matter is she bought into the cult of Trudeau and stood beside him for 10 years of disaster and corruption and only "changed' her tune because he fired her.

The sooner she is separated from public policy , the better

 

[JohnLarue]

I remember a couple years ago, that some "experts" were predicting that Germany would be f%cked when they stop buying Russian oil and gas. It just didn't happen, they were able to find another source of energy, probably less efficient and more expensive, but they survived

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/germany-may-keep-coal-plants-094929235.html

Germany May Need to Keep Reserve Coal Plants Longer Than Planned

(Bloomberg) -- Germany may need to keep its fleet of mothballed coal-fired stations available for longer than expected as a drive to build new gas plants is severely behind schedule, grid operator Amprion GmbH warned.

Net zero was a really foolish plan

Going back to Trump threats; if Canada uses oil as a weapon, surely it will hurt the USA for some time, but they will recover, they will find alternatives by buying it from somewhere else, less efficient, more expensive
in exchange, Canada will get a massive drop in income, and since most of pipelines go south, to special refineries designed for heavy oil, Canada might end losing its only customer and that is not something that will be recovered in decades
Of course new pipelines and new refineries can be built, but we are talking many years to have them in production.

So, I can see why the premier of Alberta is trying to de-escalate and/ or put export controls out of retaliation talks

Canada can not use oil as a weapon vs Trump,
We would have leverage if Energy East had not been Intentionally and deliberately regulated to death by the liberals

line 5 passes through the US before it reaches Sarnia & the rest of Eastern Canada relies on imported oil mostly from the US
If Canada were stupid enough to turn off the flow of western oil to the states, trump would just cut off imports into eastern Canada

Intentionally regulating Energy East to death was exceptionally stupid
Trudeau is an extraordinary type of stupid.

https://environmentaldefence.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Potential-Enbridge-Line-5-Closure-Meyers-Energy-Consulting-LLC-FINAL.pdf

 

[nottyboi]

god you are stunned
Trump very much wants energy independence from overseas bad actors
A politician from a foreign province having the 3rd largest oil reserve in the world ?
The 3rd largest oil reserve in the world, right next door


Actually it sounds like you want Alberta is sacrifice next to all of is GDP
There is a whole lot more than 7% of GDP generateg by the oiland gas sector, directly and indrectly


Killing an economic sector for a failed ideolgy is not reasonable



god you are stunned
Supply management is likely specifically what the Americans will specifically target
Quebec Dairy, poultry, eggs and maple syrup for starters

The U.K walked away from a trade deal with Canada because trudeau would not budge on Supply Managment

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/federal-government-should-scrap-supply-management-and-save-canadians-money

Canadians pay a lot in taxes and in addition they pay much more for food than US consumers
Food insecurity is a problem that grew during the Morons time as PM


And each time you mention it you prove your ignorance

I did not say foreign
Canadian oil is not overseas oil . Look at a map if you do not understand this
Trump does not want to beholding to OPEC
Alberta has the 3rd largest oil reserve in ....... the world

Trump knows Trudeau has treated Alberta very poorly,.... very poorly

Cant you imagine Trump saying exactly that to D. Smith ?
He always repeats part of his message
treated Alberta very poorly,.... very poorly

Still want to treat Alberta like shit?
You should change your handle to "bag of hammers'' if you are going to continue to put your lack of Critical Analysis skills on display.

I said OIL not oil and gas. Trump never said overseas, he said US oil. No one expects AB to sacrifice their GDP, but if the USA changes the rules, we should use supply management to maximize profits in the oil sector at the detriment of the US customers. Its a win win for Canada. If the USA imposes tariffs contrary to the USMCA agreement, we can suspend our committment to competitive markets. Set a quota, divvy it up. make the USA pay more, Make Alberta Great Again. Producers and all levels of govt will get more $ and USA will pay for it.

To quote Trump directly today at Davos: "We don't need their oil and gas. We have more than anybody."

 

[kstanb]

The US can replace Canada's energy exports a lot faster than Canada can can get those energy exports to other markets.
So, once again, it would be suicide to attempt the use of energy in a tariff war

I guess Canada bet on the wrong horse (decarbonization, EV, etc) and there will be a price to pay

 

[JohnLarue]

I said OIL not oil and gas.

what part of 3rd largest OIL reserve in the world do you not understand ?

Trump never said overseas, he said US oil.[

are you trying to pretend you can use your critical analysis skills to determine he would not jump at the chance to displace OPEC oil with North American oil ?

No one expects AB to sacrifice their GDP,

That is exactly what you were expecting

but if the USA changes the rules, we should use supply management to maximize profits in the oil sector at the detriment of the US customers.

#1 by selling the oil to who ?
Your fanboy hero moron Trudeau has spent 9 years preventing Western Canadian oil from getting to other markets

TMX capacity is 900,000 bbls, In 2023, Alberta produced 4.3 million barrels of crude oil per day

#2. You can not maximize profits on a commodity with a world wide price
you can get screwed on price if you have no place to put your production

you really are " bag of hammers" dumb

Its a win win for Canada. If the USA imposes tariffs contrary to the USMCA agreement, we can suspend our committment to competitive markets. Set a quota, divvy it up. make the USA pay more, Make Alberta Great Again. Producers and all levels of govt will get more $ and USA will pay for it.

divvy it up ?
where do you intend on storing your share of 3 + million barrels of that ' filthy, dirty product" ?
How big is your back yard?
How do you get it into your back yard from Alberta?

supply management is going to be the real target of USMCA re-negotiations with respect to Canada
The current threat of tariffs is Trump beating Canada up ahead of the USMCA re-negotiations.

you really are " bag of hammers" dumb

 

[nottyboi]

The US can replace Canada's energy exports a lot faster than Canada can can get those energy exports to other markets.
So, once again, it would be suicide to attempt the use of energy in a tariff war

I guess Canada bet on the wrong horse (decarbonization, EV, etc) and there will be a price to pay

Not really, even if they decide to get oil from Venezuela how are they gonna get it into their refinary system. They are still importing oil from Russia dispite all the bluster.

 

[JohnLarue]

The US can replace Canada's energy exports a lot faster than Canada can can get those energy exports to other markets.
So, once again, it would be suicide to attempt the use of energy in a tariff war

I guess Canada bet on the wrong horse (decarbonization, EV, etc) and there will be a price to pay

yes. Canada bet on the wrong horse jack ass and his name is Justin

 

[nottyboi]

what part of 3rd largest OIL reserve in the world do you not understand ?


are trying to pretend he would you can use your critical analysis skills to determine he would not jump at the chance to displace OPEC oil with North American oil


That is exactly what you were expecting


#1 by selling the oil to who ?
Your fanboy hero moron Trudeau has spent 9 years preventing Western Canadian oil from getting to other markets

TMX capacity is 900,000 bbls, In 2023, Alberta produced 4.3 million barrels of crude oil per day

#2. You can not maximize profits on a commodity with a world wide price
you can get screwed on price if you have no place to put your production

you really are " bag of hammers" dumb



divvy it up ?
do you storage for your share of 3 + million barrels of that ' filthy, dirty product" ?
How big is your back yard?
How do you get it into your back yard from Alberta?

supply management is going to be the real target of USMCA re-negotiations with respect to Canada
The current threat of tariffs is Trump beating Canada up ahead of the USMCA re-negotiations.

you really are " bag of hammers" dumb

So what? We know that, give them a target we know they will go for. You REALLY have no clue how to negotiate do you. lol. Tariffs are illegal under MCUSA. You don't need to store the oil, you set a quota close to what we sell, provide some incentives to accelerate well and pipeline maint, and allow companies to trade quotas. It seems to me your negotiating technique is bend over the table and bring several flavors of lube to offer. lol.

To quote Trump today : "We don't need their oil and gas. We have more than anybody."

 

[kstanb]

Not really, even if they decide to get oil from Venezuela how are they gonna get it into their refinary system. They are still importing oil from Russia dispite all the bluster.

From:
Why does the U.S. export domestic crude oil and refine foreign oil? - Marketplace

"last year the U.S. imported more than 8.5 million barrels of petroleum a day. Meanwhile, the U.S. also exported more than 10 million barrels a day. Wait, what? Why are we selling that oil instead of using it ourselves?
It’s mostly a chemistry problem. The crude oil we’re buying is thick and has lots of sulfur, hence it’s called heavy sour. The stuff we’re pulling up isn’t and doesn’t, so it’s called light sweet. All that variation in the chemistry of the oil means that you can’t refine all oil the same way. They have to go through different processes. Our refineries were designed to process oil coming from Mexico and Venezuela. “And a lot of that tends to be relatively heavy and relatively high in sulfur,” he said.

Then a little over a decade ago, shale fracking took off in the U.S., and so did the supply of light sweet oil. But even if U.S. refineries could flip a switch and start refining that oil, GasBuddy analyst Patrick De Haan said it’s coming out of the ground in the wrong places.
“The need is infrastructure,” he said. “You may produce all this light sweet crude oil in Texas. But if you don’t have pipelines to the nation’s refineries to deliver it, how are you going to be able to utilize it?” So importing foreign crude oil is cheaper.


My highlighted: "The need is infrastructure".
they can pay the costs/ inefficiencies of getting it from Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Venezuela or pay the extra Canada tax for some time, in the meantime, Trump has declared "National Energy Emergency": he has the USA's resources and US might to get whatever infrastructure is missing and pay whatever the costs are for re-tooling existing refineries or building new refineries set for Texan light oil. Once this is done, Canada oil is redundant.

So when Trump said: "We don't need Canada's oil" ; he is right, US buys it because it is convenient and cheap

 

[nottyboi]

So what? We know that, give them a target we know they will go for. You REALLY have no clue how to negotiate do you. lol. Tariffs are illegal under MCUSA. You don't need to store the oil, you set a quota close to what we sell, provide some incentives to accelerate well and pipeline maint, and allow companies to trade quotas. It seems to me your negotiating technique is bend over the table and bring several flavors of lube to offer. lol.

From:
Why does the U.S. export domestic crude oil and refine foreign oil? - Marketplace

"last year the U.S. imported more than 8.5 million barrels of petroleum a day. Meanwhile, the U.S. also exported more than 10 million barrels a day. Wait, what? Why are we selling that oil instead of using it ourselves?
It’s mostly a chemistry problem. The crude oil we’re buying is thick and has lots of sulfur, hence it’s called heavy sour. The stuff we’re pulling up isn’t and doesn’t, so it’s called light sweet. All that variation in the chemistry of the oil means that you can’t refine all oil the same way. They have to go through different processes. Our refineries were designed to process oil coming from Mexico and Venezuela. “And a lot of that tends to be relatively heavy and relatively high in sulfur,” he said.

Then a little over a decade ago, shale fracking took off in the U.S., and so did the supply of light sweet oil. But even if U.S. refineries could flip a switch and start refining that oil, GasBuddy analyst Patrick De Haan said it’s coming out of the ground in the wrong places.
“The need is infrastructure,” he said. “You may produce all this light sweet crude oil in Texas. But if you don’t have pipelines to the nation’s refineries to deliver it, how are you going to be able to utilize it?” So importing foreign crude oil is cheaper.


My highlighted: "The need is infrastructure".
they can pay the costs/ inefficiencies of getting it from Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Venezuela or pay the extra Canada tax for some time, in the meantime, Trump has declared "National Energy Emergency": he has the USA's resources and US might to get whatever infrastructure is missing and pay whatever the costs are for re-tooling existing refineries or building new refineries set for Texan light oil. Once this is done, Canada oil is redundant.

So when Trump said: "We don't need Canada's oil" ; he is right, US buys it because it is convenient and cheap

Well while they are doing that we can build pipelines as well. If this goes too far then Canada should count on the end thinking of the USA as a friendly nation. Withdraw from NORAD as well and start a nuclear weapons program. lol. Maybe join the SCO, BNR and BRICS. The thing is, Canada needs to stop shitting its pants and understand that the mid terms are in 2 years and the campaign will probably start in about 6m. So if Trump causes a short term inflation spike he will get slaugtered in the mid terms and destroy his presidency. So make it clear to him we know that. If he fucks this up he will blow his presidency and Canada would prefer that when Trump leaves office he goes down in history as the greatest president in history. We would like to help him build that legacy. Lets look at the numbers andf ensure trade is balanced and make it clear the US is receiving subsidized oil, if he prefers we can rise the price.

 

[JohnLarue]

So what? We know that, give them a target we know they will go for. You REALLY have no clue how to negotiate do you. lol.

You REALLY have no clue who you negotiating with do you. lol.

Tariffs are illegal under MCUSA.

No doubt
However unless you have not been paying attention, that is going to get TRUMPed by US national security concerns

We have 2 cards to play
1. the current interconnection of the supply chains & hope that tariff's will hurt the US and we can withstand the impact for 1 + years
2. Follow D Smiths lead and work diligently in the background to show US counterparts the advantages of expanding trade with Canada.
3. Hope Trump gets pre-occupied with some other issue

Trudeau , threw away the possibility of energy leverage when he cancelled all those pipelines - what a disaster he has been for this country

You don't need to store the oil, you set a quota close to what we sell,

That is a production cut and a huge one. TMX capacity is less than 1/4 of Alberta's production

it would immediately set in motion Alberta and Saskatchewan separation followed by a complete unravelling of the country
The U.S. would pick and choose what parts they want

provide some incentives to accelerate well and pipeline maint, and allow companies to trade quotas. It seems to me your negotiating technique is bend over the table and bring several flavors of lube to offer. lol.

To quote Trump today : "We don't need their oil and gas. We have more than anybody."

verbal diarrhea from a fool

 

[nottyboi]

You REALLY have no clue who you negotiating with do you. lol.


No doubt
However unless you have not been paying attention, that is going to get TRUMPed by US national security concerns

We have 2 cards to play
1. the current interconnection of the supply chains & hope that tariff's will hurt the US and we can withstand the impact for 1 + years
2. Follow D Smiths lead and work diligently in the background to show US counterparts the advantages of expanding trade with Canada.
3. Hope Trump gets pre-occupied with some other issue

Trudeau , threw away the possibility of energy leverage when he cancelled all those pipelines - what a disaster he has been for this country



That is a production cut and a huge one. TMX capacity is less than 1/4 of Alberta's production

it would immediately set in motion Alberta and Saskatchewan separation followed by a complete unravelling of the country
The U.S. would pick and choose what parts they want



verbal diarrhea from a fool

Why would we limit our oil exports to TMX? Thats idiotic!! Just introduce supply management to our oil exports to drive up the price. So production would only need drop a small amount. Yes we know exactly who we are negotiating with. If they get to rough with us we start to ban US exports and buy more from China and Mexico. No one every got anywhere by blowing Donald Trump. Ask Stormy