And the whole argument about the importance of and fighting for free speech is a total red herring.
It is all about ant-Semitism.
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It is all about ant-Semitism.
He did answer.
These racists should not be given a platform with which to spread their vile hate.
Why the deception on your part? (The topic is too serious to be trivialized as silly games.)
I am not an anti-semite, and I believe in free speech about anything.
Explain to me why you feel that opinions that you "Know" are wrong should not be heard.
Probably the 6th time I have asked, I enjoy your little wrigglings away from answering,
They have an opinion. You call it vile hate.
they would disagree with that label.
Maybe they call it the truth. Lets hear the facts, but never ever close off the debate about anything.
Why should YOU decide who can be heard and who can't?
Why should anyone decide?
The vilest hate flourishes in regimes that censor.
Not where free speech flourishes.
You are working against your own interests, even though you don't realize it.
the shutting down of debate can be used at any time by any tyrannical majority if not vigorously protected.
Its very transparent.
The absofuckinglutely horrid acts of the very real Holocaust do not justify present day apartheid and settler colonialism.
You can't right a wrong by committing war crimes.
And you can't claim to be calling out racism while you are actively defending apartheid.
??? Last I checked, I never claimed to be the arbiter of reality. The thread is about the GOVEERNMENT deciding as is their legal right.
And an HONEST opinion is one motivated by a desire to find out more. Holocaust deniers are purely motivated by hatred of Jews.
Canada has already made it very clear that Hate Speech is not covered under any Charter rights. Is there a reason why you think speech motivated purely by hate is a good thing?
And your argument is I'm a coward? What a pathetic attempt.
Sorry but using a Holocaust thread to justify your own anti-semitism is pretty pathetic.
Accusing others of racism while you defend apartheid is pathetic.
A regime of Jewish supremacy from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea: This is apartheid
More than 14 million people, roughly half of them Jews and the other half Palestinians, live between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea under a single rule. The common perception in public, political, legal and media discourse is that two separate regimes operate side by side in this...
Which does not mean that they are not hateful. Everybody in jail claims that they're innocent.
We already know the facts. The occurrence of the Holocaust is a fact.
As has been stated the whole free speech argument is a red herring. The true motivation is to try to foment hate against Jews.
You can keep denying it just like all the people in jail.
The Holocaust deniers must be able to express themselves in the open forum- whatever that may be. It's the only way you will know who they are and the open and free society has a way to deal with them. Nobody makes racist jokes a la 1940s anymore. Not about the Jews, not about the Blacks or the Orientals. It is no longer acceptable. Not because we have codified the opposition to their racism in law, but because the society has evolved and collectively rejects and ostracizes the Neanderthal racists. We cannot, ever, sacrifice who we are because we have nuts among us. But, we can identify them, expose them and display their hatred and marginalize them.
Only one of us routinely checks off most of the boxes in one of Canada's definitions of racism. You may enjoy making up your own fictional reality but your continual attempt to change threads about anti-semitism into your obsession about Israel speaks volumes.Accusing others of racism while you defend apartheid is pathetic.
A regime of Jewish supremacy from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea: This is apartheid
More than 14 million people, roughly half of them Jews and the other half Palestinians, live between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea under a single rule. The common perception in public, political, legal and media discourse is that two separate regimes operate side by side in this...www.btselem.org
Canada disagrees with you about hate speech.
I see your point about overt racists being easier to identify than the subtle ones but allowing them the freedom to spread their shit to younger generations is not a good thing.
No, clearly I don't check any boxes.
I've challenged you on this repeatedly and you cannot name one single post that backs up your claim.
And until you stop defending apartheid, your criticisms of racism ring hollow.
Still trying to distract from anti-semitism by complaining about Israel?
- Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion. When you argue that Palestinian attacks are justified by Israel occupying the West Bank
- Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions. When you have repeatedly talked about the 'zionist' narrative controls mainstream media.
- Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews. When you comment about extremely fringe Isdraelis as if they are representative of the whole country.
- Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust). You're fine on this one except trying to change discussion of the Holocaust into your anti-Israel obsession.
- Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
- Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations. When you go on about AIPAC and other American Jews are looking out for Israeli interests ahead of their own country.
- Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor. You hate that Canada has this in their definition because it is the entire basis of your obsession.
- Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation. Another one that permeates your entire posting history.
- Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
- Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis. You've used this one a fair bit too.
- Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel. Like when you demanded a Canadian Rabbi include statements on Palestinians in his First Nations Acknowledgement.
And pretty pathetic that you accuse me of lying about you while making up absolute crap about my opinions.
More vague allegations.
You can't back up those claims with a single post because I've never said any of those things.
I continue to say both sides should be investigated and held to international law.
Israel should end the occupation or end apartheid or both.
The best, non-violent way forward is the Canadian way, equal rights for all.
Stop slandering and listen to what I'm saying.
End apartheid.
Israel’s apartheid against Palestinians: Cruel system of domination and crime against humanity - Amnesty International
Amnesty International has analysed Israel’s intent to create and maintain a system of oppression and domination over Palestinians and examined its key components: territorial fragmentation; segregation and control; dispossession of land and property; and denial of economic and social rights. It...
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Sure thing pal.
You're still trying to change the topic from the Holocaust to your Israel obsession. Could it be because many of the people opposed to Israel (like Iran) are also official Holocaust deniers or is it simply discussions of anti-semitism hit too close to home?
And sorry but waiting for the ICC to investigate before condemning groups like Hamas while freely accepting any blatant propaganda against Israel is just more proof of your double standard.
And if you want to clear things up...
Is there any legitimate justification for Hamas etc. gunning down Jews at a West Bank bus stop? Yes or no?
Do you think groups like AIPAC push Israel's agenda at the expense of the US? Yes or no?
Do you think that an extremist party representing less that 1% of voters is supposed to represent the views or all Israelis? Yes or no?
Do you think it acceptable that Palestinian activists targeted Jewish neighbourhoods around the world to protest Israel? Yes or no?
Do you think that Western media is beholden to a pro-Israel agenda? Yes or no?
Do you think the 7.5 million Israeli Jews have the right to self-determination? Yes or no?
And your double standard is a constant part of your world-view.
Is there any legitimate justification for Hamas etc. gunning down Jews at a West Bank bus stop? Yes or no?
Do you think groups like AIPAC push Israel's agenda at the expense of the US? Yes or no?
Do you think that an extremist party representing less that 1% of voters is supposed to represent the views or all Israelis? Yes or no?
Do you think it acceptable that Palestinian activists targeted Jewish neighbourhoods around the world to protest Israel? Yes or no?
Do you think that Western media is beholden to a pro-Israel agenda? Yes or no?
Do you think the 7.5 million Israeli Jews have the right to self-determination? Yes or no?
And your double standard is a constant part of your world-view.
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