I agree.WoodPeckr said:
Also, Bobby Kennedy's new sport at the time was exiling Mob bosses. The Mob felt betrayed after "helping" JFK in Illinois in 1960.
Hell hath no fury like a Mob Boss scorned.
Depleted Uranium - Poisoning U.S. Troops And The Planet
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Also, Bobby Kennedy's new sport at the time was exiling Mob bosses. The Mob felt betrayed after "helping" JFK in Illinois in 1960.
Hell hath no fury like a Mob Boss scorned.
The Mob was probably more efficient at 'wacking' people than the CIA, KGB and Mossad. They still can't find Hoffa's body.
Bobby Kennedy was really getting under their skin too and wouldn't be surprised if they setup the plan that 'wacked' Bobby to.
Bobby Kennedy was really getting under their skin too and wouldn't be surprised if they setup the plan that 'wacked' Bobby to.
Mcluhan said:I have a buddy that was affected by it. Very sad story. You don't want to know what he found when opening the hatch on tanks killed by friendly fire in gulf I. Think jello.
btw, that story you posted was gruesome. very mush so. We should all worry. And If I was an Iraqi, I couldn't leave the country soon enough.
I want to be clear on this, you called me a "crackhead" to my face, correct? That comment was directly pointed at me? Is that correct?papasmerf said:Mac
you make grand statement yet no verifiable words.
Farking crackheads just post and never expect to be called on them
Hey Asterix,Asterix said:Or the alternative theory that there are enough wackos out there who could pull this kind of stuff off on their own. Need a few dozen examples in the last hundred years or so, let me know.
I'm usually the first to roll my eyes at conspiracy theories.
With the Kennedy assissination however, you can't ignore missing evidence, dead witnesses, a bothched autopsy, the Warren Commission (who's conclusions defy the laws of nature) and Jack Ruby.
We will never know what happened but since the house Select Committee on Assassinations concluded it was "probably" a conspiricy, probable conspiricy has to be considered the new line. The fact it took 13 years before a proper investigation was initiated, only confirms this IMO.
It is not naive to believe those with power around Kennedy had the ways, means and desire to execute a coup.
Back on the original topic, DU is commonly used by the US for anti-armor munitions. Its extreme hardness makes it an excellent choice for the penetrator core in a sabot round, and can make the difference against a killshot and an ineffective bounce against some of the later-model Russian tanks.
The key problem, however, is that they are not being used in the conflict for which they were intended. DU was originally meant to deal with the waves upon waves of Soviet Armor that were going to be swarming into West Germany in what would be the opening moves of WWIII. In all likelyhood, it was a question of "when" and not "if" Tactical and later Strategic Nuclear Weapons would also be employed by both sides, making a bunch of radioactive tank hulks rather a moot point. However, we wound up dodging the Nuclear Bullet that was WWIII, and instead those munitions wound up seeing major use in Kuwait and Iraq.
End result is the situation we have now, where although DU is probably extreme overkill against anything the US faces in that theatre, there has not been any move away from the old Cold War-era munitions doctrine. Thus, each and every use of DU, be it from the 120mm Sabot rounds on an M1A2 Main Battle Tank or the 30mm Gattling on an A-10 Warthog comes with a nice, lingering coat of fine Uranium dust, free of charge...
The key problem, however, is that they are not being used in the conflict for which they were intended. DU was originally meant to deal with the waves upon waves of Soviet Armor that were going to be swarming into West Germany in what would be the opening moves of WWIII. In all likelyhood, it was a question of "when" and not "if" Tactical and later Strategic Nuclear Weapons would also be employed by both sides, making a bunch of radioactive tank hulks rather a moot point. However, we wound up dodging the Nuclear Bullet that was WWIII, and instead those munitions wound up seeing major use in Kuwait and Iraq.
End result is the situation we have now, where although DU is probably extreme overkill against anything the US faces in that theatre, there has not been any move away from the old Cold War-era munitions doctrine. Thus, each and every use of DU, be it from the 120mm Sabot rounds on an M1A2 Main Battle Tank or the 30mm Gattling on an A-10 Warthog comes with a nice, lingering coat of fine Uranium dust, free of charge...
Do me a favor. Read Posner's book, "Case Closed", and then get back to me.lookingforitallthetime said:Hey Asterix,
I'm usually the first to roll my eyes at conspiracy theories.
With the Kennedy assissination however, you can't ignore missing evidence, dead witnesses, a bothched autopsy, the Warren Commission (who's conclusions defy the laws of nature) and Jack Ruby.
We will never know what happened but since the house Select Committee on Assassinations concluded it was "probably" a conspiricy, probable conspiricy has to be considered the new line. The fact it took 13 years before a proper investigation was initiated, only confirms this IMO.
It is not naive to believe those with power around Kennedy had the ways, means and desire to execute a coup.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what he called you. Don't overly take offense, Pappy seems to be throwing that around at just about anybody lately.Mcluhan said:I want to be clear on this, you called me a "crackhead" to my face, correct? That comment was directly pointed at me? Is that correct?
More evidence surfacing after all these years......
JFK Murder Plot "Deathbed Confession" Aired On National Radio
Former CIA agent, Watergate conspirator E. Howard Hunt names the men who killed Kennedy
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Monday, April 30, 2007
The "deathbed confession" audio tape in which former CIA agent and Watergate conspirator E. Howard Hunt admits he was approached to be part of a CIA assassination team to kill JFK was aired this weekend - an astounding development that has gone completely ignored by the establishment media.
Saint John Hunt, son of E. Howard Hunt, appeared on the nationally syndicated Coast to Coast AM radio show on Saturday night to discuss the revelations contained in the tape.
Hunt said that his father had mailed cassette the tape to him alone in January 2004 and asked that it be released after his death. The tape was originally 20 minutes long but was edited down to four and a half minutes for the Coast to Coast broadcast. Hunt promises that the whole tape will be uploaded soon at his website.
Click here to listen to a clip of the tape.
E. Howard Hunt names numerous individuals with both direct and indirect CIA connections as having played a role in the assassination of Kennedy, while describing himself as a "bench warmer" in the plot. Saint John Hunt agreed that the use of this term indicates that Hunt was willing to play a larger role in the murder conspiracy had he been required.
Hunt alleges on the tape that then Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson was involved in the planning of the assassination and in the cover-up, stating that LBJ, "Had an almost maniacal urge to become president, he regarded JFK as an obstacle to achieving that."
Asked if his father followed the conspiracy theories into the Kennedy assassination, Saint John said the elder Hunt did follow the work of AJ Weberman, a New York freelance writer, who in the early 70's first accused Hunt of being one of three bums who were arrested in Dealy Plaza. The so-called bums (pictured above) were interrogated and later released by authorities shortly after the assassination. Weberman, one of the founders of the Youth International Party, the Vippies, published photographs of the tramps and found that two of them bore striking similarities to Hunt and Frank Sturgis, also named by Hunt in the tape as having been played a role in the assassination conspiracy.
Asked for his opinion as to whether his father was indeed one of the Dealy Plaza tramps, Saint John, in a stunning revelation, said one of the tramps indeed looked much like his father did in 1963 (see comparison above).
CIA operative Frank Stugis' striking resemblance to one of the "tramps".
Other researchers believe the "Hunt tramp" to really be Chauncey Holt, who apparently later confessed to the fact. Charles Harrelson was allegedly identified as the third tramp.
Saint John Hunt said that shortly before his death, his father had felt "deeply conflicted and deeply remorseful" that he didn't blow the whistle on the plot at the time and prevent the assassination, but that everyone in the government hated Kennedy and wanted him gone in one way or another. Kennedy's promise to "shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter the remnants to the wind" was being carried out and this infuriated almost everyone at the agency.
Hunt also said that his mother's death in a December 8, 1972 plane crash in Chicago was suspicious and that there was evidence of a White House cover-up surrounding the circumstances of the alleged accident.
Investigators discovered $10,000 dollars in her luggage and Hunt alleged that his mother traveled around the country using Nixon campaign money to payoff the families of the Watergate burglars to keep them quiet about the involvement of the Nixon White House in the Watergate break-in and cover-up.
Hunt cited numerous coincidences surrounding the aftermath of the crash, including Nixon's appointment of his henchman, Egil Krough, to the National Transportation Safety Board which investigates plane crashes, the very day after the incident.
Eyewitnesses reported that the plane exploded above treetop level before it had even hit the runway.
Hunt said that "at least 20-25 FBI members," as well as numerous DIA agents were at the scene of the crash within minutes before rescue personnel had even arrived, and that this fact was attested to in a letter sent by the head of the Chicago FBI to investigator Sherman Skolnick.
Hunt said that his safety was guaranteed by the dissemination of the tape and that he had several copies and had mailed others to addresses both abroad and in the U.S.
"Once this information is out there's really no point in anyone trying to do me in or do me wrong - someone may try to discredit me but I have no skeletons in my closet," said Hunt.
As we have previously reported, the night before the Kennedy assassination, Lyndon Baines Johnson met with Dallas tycoons, FBI moguls and organized crime kingpins - emerging from the conference to tell his mistress Madeleine Duncan Brown that "those SOB's" would never embarrass him again.
Though Brown first went public on her 21-year relationship with Johnson in the early 80's, to this day her shocking revelations about how he had told her the Kennedy's "would never embarrass me again" the night before the assassination are often ignored by the media who prefer to keep the debate focused on issues which can't definitively be proven either way (or at least can be spun and whitewashed).
George Herbert Walker Bush was also pictured at the scene of the crime in Dealy Plaza.
In addition, Barr McClellan, father of former White House press secretary Scott McClellan and a partner in the Austin law firm that represented Johnson, wrote in his 2003 book that LBJ was a key player in the organization of the assassination and its cover-up. McClellan's revelations were the subject of a subsequent History Channel documentary called The Guilty Men.
This piece links the major players all together rather nicely.......lookingforitallthetime said:With the Kennedy assissination however, you can't ignore missing evidence, dead witnesses, a bothched autopsy, the Warren Commission (who's conclusions defy the laws of nature) and Jack Ruby.
We will never know what happened but since the house Select Committee on Assassinations concluded it was "probably" a conspiricy, probable conspiricy has to be considered the new line. The fact it took 13 years before a proper investigation was initiated, only confirms this IMO.
It is not naive to believe those with power around Kennedy had the ways, means and desire to execute a coup.
JFK Murder Plot "Deathbed Confession" Aired On National Radio
Former CIA agent, Watergate conspirator E. Howard Hunt names the men who killed Kennedy
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Monday, April 30, 2007
The "deathbed confession" audio tape in which former CIA agent and Watergate conspirator E. Howard Hunt admits he was approached to be part of a CIA assassination team to kill JFK was aired this weekend - an astounding development that has gone completely ignored by the establishment media.
Saint John Hunt, son of E. Howard Hunt, appeared on the nationally syndicated Coast to Coast AM radio show on Saturday night to discuss the revelations contained in the tape.
Hunt said that his father had mailed cassette the tape to him alone in January 2004 and asked that it be released after his death. The tape was originally 20 minutes long but was edited down to four and a half minutes for the Coast to Coast broadcast. Hunt promises that the whole tape will be uploaded soon at his website.
Click here to listen to a clip of the tape.
E. Howard Hunt names numerous individuals with both direct and indirect CIA connections as having played a role in the assassination of Kennedy, while describing himself as a "bench warmer" in the plot. Saint John Hunt agreed that the use of this term indicates that Hunt was willing to play a larger role in the murder conspiracy had he been required.
Hunt alleges on the tape that then Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson was involved in the planning of the assassination and in the cover-up, stating that LBJ, "Had an almost maniacal urge to become president, he regarded JFK as an obstacle to achieving that."
Asked if his father followed the conspiracy theories into the Kennedy assassination, Saint John said the elder Hunt did follow the work of AJ Weberman, a New York freelance writer, who in the early 70's first accused Hunt of being one of three bums who were arrested in Dealy Plaza. The so-called bums (pictured above) were interrogated and later released by authorities shortly after the assassination. Weberman, one of the founders of the Youth International Party, the Vippies, published photographs of the tramps and found that two of them bore striking similarities to Hunt and Frank Sturgis, also named by Hunt in the tape as having been played a role in the assassination conspiracy.
Asked for his opinion as to whether his father was indeed one of the Dealy Plaza tramps, Saint John, in a stunning revelation, said one of the tramps indeed looked much like his father did in 1963 (see comparison above).
CIA operative Frank Stugis' striking resemblance to one of the "tramps".
Other researchers believe the "Hunt tramp" to really be Chauncey Holt, who apparently later confessed to the fact. Charles Harrelson was allegedly identified as the third tramp.
Saint John Hunt said that shortly before his death, his father had felt "deeply conflicted and deeply remorseful" that he didn't blow the whistle on the plot at the time and prevent the assassination, but that everyone in the government hated Kennedy and wanted him gone in one way or another. Kennedy's promise to "shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter the remnants to the wind" was being carried out and this infuriated almost everyone at the agency.
Hunt also said that his mother's death in a December 8, 1972 plane crash in Chicago was suspicious and that there was evidence of a White House cover-up surrounding the circumstances of the alleged accident.
Investigators discovered $10,000 dollars in her luggage and Hunt alleged that his mother traveled around the country using Nixon campaign money to payoff the families of the Watergate burglars to keep them quiet about the involvement of the Nixon White House in the Watergate break-in and cover-up.
Hunt cited numerous coincidences surrounding the aftermath of the crash, including Nixon's appointment of his henchman, Egil Krough, to the National Transportation Safety Board which investigates plane crashes, the very day after the incident.
Eyewitnesses reported that the plane exploded above treetop level before it had even hit the runway.
Hunt said that "at least 20-25 FBI members," as well as numerous DIA agents were at the scene of the crash within minutes before rescue personnel had even arrived, and that this fact was attested to in a letter sent by the head of the Chicago FBI to investigator Sherman Skolnick.
Hunt said that his safety was guaranteed by the dissemination of the tape and that he had several copies and had mailed others to addresses both abroad and in the U.S.
"Once this information is out there's really no point in anyone trying to do me in or do me wrong - someone may try to discredit me but I have no skeletons in my closet," said Hunt.
As we have previously reported, the night before the Kennedy assassination, Lyndon Baines Johnson met with Dallas tycoons, FBI moguls and organized crime kingpins - emerging from the conference to tell his mistress Madeleine Duncan Brown that "those SOB's" would never embarrass him again.
Though Brown first went public on her 21-year relationship with Johnson in the early 80's, to this day her shocking revelations about how he had told her the Kennedy's "would never embarrass me again" the night before the assassination are often ignored by the media who prefer to keep the debate focused on issues which can't definitively be proven either way (or at least can be spun and whitewashed).
George Herbert Walker Bush was also pictured at the scene of the crime in Dealy Plaza.
In addition, Barr McClellan, father of former White House press secretary Scott McClellan and a partner in the Austin law firm that represented Johnson, wrote in his 2003 book that LBJ was a key player in the organization of the assassination and its cover-up. McClellan's revelations were the subject of a subsequent History Channel documentary called The Guilty Men.
Not that I mind being insulted, it comes with the turf, but do it with at least a showing of finesse. In his case that's like asking him to chew a stick of gum ten times oversize for his mealy-mouth.Asterix said:Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what he called you. Don't overly take offense, Pappy seems to be throwing that around at just about anybody lately.
So the patsy was indeed the pastsy. And the crime went down pretty much as most of us who took interest in the 'conspiracy theory' envisioned. Stone is vindicated, and Garrison too.
There is a very good interview (which I posted here a few years back) with the acting assitant Director CIA's personal secretary, the one who faxed the docs on Oswald to Mexico 6 weeks prior to the assasination. The docs that PROVED the CIA was involved with LHO. Interview was done by a then young Washington Post investigative journalist in the '80's WHO thought he had the scoop of the century, but was promptly told by the chief editor, that if he wanted his career to be a washout, he should pursue the idea. The interview was not published at the time (I think).
Jacqueline Kennedy knew the score I think. That's why she moved in with Onassis and gave up on Amerika.
What a shame. Just think on the what if's... no Vieitnam, no agent Orange, maybe no accelerated cold war arms race of the sixties and beyond, pushed UNBRIDLED by the MIC (who do not really exit of course)...no Watergate blackening the eye of the Government... lots of major things would have gone differently, especially for the 55,000 dead Americans in SE Asia and the 1.6 million(?) dead Vietnamese . C'est la vie. Wonder if MCain will even stop to consider that. Doubtful.
BUT...look on the good side. We have embrionic stage cells protected from lab experiments, a media that doesn't keep people awake at night worrying about 'the pesky truth' and you guys have an arms industry in full bloom that supplies 83% of the planet with war appliances. It's an ill wind that blows no good.
Now Stone can remake JFK...and get it exactly right. Critics will be restricted to art, instead of history.
There is a very good interview (which I posted here a few years back) with the acting assitant Director CIA's personal secretary, the one who faxed the docs on Oswald to Mexico 6 weeks prior to the assasination. The docs that PROVED the CIA was involved with LHO. Interview was done by a then young Washington Post investigative journalist in the '80's WHO thought he had the scoop of the century, but was promptly told by the chief editor, that if he wanted his career to be a washout, he should pursue the idea. The interview was not published at the time (I think).
Jacqueline Kennedy knew the score I think. That's why she moved in with Onassis and gave up on Amerika.
What a shame. Just think on the what if's... no Vieitnam, no agent Orange, maybe no accelerated cold war arms race of the sixties and beyond, pushed UNBRIDLED by the MIC (who do not really exit of course)...no Watergate blackening the eye of the Government... lots of major things would have gone differently, especially for the 55,000 dead Americans in SE Asia and the 1.6 million(?) dead Vietnamese . C'est la vie. Wonder if MCain will even stop to consider that. Doubtful.
BUT...look on the good side. We have embrionic stage cells protected from lab experiments, a media that doesn't keep people awake at night worrying about 'the pesky truth' and you guys have an arms industry in full bloom that supplies 83% of the planet with war appliances. It's an ill wind that blows no good.
Now Stone can remake JFK...and get it exactly right. Critics will be restricted to art, instead of history.
Remember we're talking about Pappy here. I think it was Lenny Bruce who said the only time something gets really offensive, is when it becomes trite. That you have heard it many times before. Pappy in spades.Mcluhan said:Not that I mind being insulted, it comes with the turf, but do it with at least a showing of finesse. In his case that's like asking him to chew a stick of gum ten times oversize for his mealy-mouth.
