Despite Rightwing Myths, US Health Care Problems Rooted in Private Sector

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Despite Rightwing Myths, US Health Care Problems Rooted in Private Sector
by Mark Weisbrot

A recent report by McKinsey and Company was seized upon by opponents of health care reform to create a new myth: that President Obama’s health insurance reform (the 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act -- PPACA) will cause huge numbers of employers to drop health insurance coverage that they currently provide for employees.

The McKinsey study was soon shown to be worthless, and McKinsey itself acknowledged that it “was not intended as predictive economic analysis.” But the myth seems to not be completely dead yet. For a more reasonable estimate of the impact of the health insurance reform, we can look to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office. They estimated that the number of people (including family members) covered by employment-based insurance would be about 1.8 percent fewer in 2019, as a result of the PPACA legislation. Of course, this is more than counter-balanced by the fact that the percentage of the (non-elderly) population with insurance would increase from 82 to 92 percent – the main purpose of the reform.

Right-wingers, insurance companies, and other opponents of health care reform in the United States are always looking for ways to blame the government for the failures of our health care system. But the simple truth is that they have it backwards: our problems with health care are firmly rooted in the private sector. That is why the average high-income country – where government is vastly more involved in health care – spends half as much per person on health care as we do, and has better health outcomes.

That is why even Medicare – which has to pay for health care services and drugs at costs inflated by our dysfunctional private health care sector – has still proven to be much more efficient than private insurance. As Nobel Laureate economist Paul Krugman recently pointed out, from 1969 -2009, Medicare spending per person rose 400 percent, adjusted for inflation; private insurance premiums, also adjusted for inflation, rose 700 percent.

The most effective way to insure everyone and make our health care system affordable would have been to expand Medicare to everyone, while beginning the process of reducing costs through negotiation with, and restructuring incentives for, the private sector. The private insurance companies use up hundreds of billions annually on administrative costs, marketing, and other waste – which is what you would expect from companies who maximize profit by insuring the healthy and trying to avoid paying for the sick.

We also spend nearly $300 billion on pharmaceuticals each year, most of which is waste due to the patent monopolies of pharmaceutical companies. We could eliminate most of this waste through further public financing of pharmaceutical research, with new drugs sold as low-cost generics. Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders has introduced legislation in the Senate to realize these savings.

A distant second best reform, as compared with Medicare for all, would have been to include in Obama’s health care reform a public option for employers and individuals to buy into. This would at least have provided some competition from a more efficient public sector to help control costs. But unfortunately, the insurance and pharmaceutical companies’ lobbies proved to have a more powerful influence on our government than the voice of the people. This is another sad result of our dysfunctional health care system: The winners – waste for us is income for them – have a veto over health care reform.

It remains to be seen whether the PPACA will be a step toward more comprehensive, effective reform that gives us Medicare for all. In the meantime, the right will try to blame the government and the legislation itself for rising health care costs and other failures of our health care system. But in fact these result from the legislation not having gone far enough to rein in the private sector.
© 2011 McClatchy Tribune Services


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That is why even Medicare – which has to pay for health care services and drugs at costs inflated by our dysfunctional private health care sector – has still proven to be much more efficient than private insurance. As Nobel Laureate economist Paul Krugman recently pointed out, from 1969 -2009, Medicare spending per person rose 400 percent, adjusted for inflation; private insurance premiums, also adjusted for inflation, rose 700 percent.
This FACT says it all in highlighting the 'culture of Greed & Corruption' GOPers want to protect, defend and foster!

Can't wait to see how our fuzzy numbers corporate lapdogs fudge and obfuscate the numbers here.....:rolleyes:
 

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This FACT says it all in highlighting the 'culture of Greed & Corruption' GOPers want to protect, defend and foster!

Can't wait to see how our fuzzy numbers corporate lapdogs fudge and obfuscate the numbers here.....:rolleyes:
I'm not an economist, but I would say that the 82% that have health care have much better health care than the 100% of Canadians. This can be seen by the 'people that can afford to, go to the US when the medical condition is serious!"

And don’t be fooled into thinking that 'public health care is an altruistic movement'. It is not, everyone in the system is getting paid and paid well including the massive bureaucracy that sits on top of the system, seeming ready to crush it under.
 

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I'm not an economist, but I would say that the 82% that have health care have much better health care than the 100% of Canadians. This can be seen by the 'people that can afford to, go to the US when the medical condition is serious!"

And don’t be fooled into thinking that 'public health care is an altruistic movement'. It is not, everyone in the system is getting paid and paid well including the massive bureaucracy that sits on top of the system, seeming ready to crush it under.
Canada has a lower infant mortality rate (last I heard America had the worst in the developed world), all through our lives we are rated as healthier in all areas as far as I know, we have a greater life expectancy, and we pay less per capita for our health insurance. To me, that all adds up to WIN!
 

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Canada has a lower infant mortality rate (last I heard America had the worst in the developed world)...
Correct!
In some parts of the USA, the RICHEST country in the world, those rates are worse than in third world countries! This is HOW the 'free market' works in the USA!....:eyebrows:
 

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Canada has a lower infant mortality rate
However, in fairness a good hunk of that is related to Canada having a less diverse population.

Further it is not due to lack of health insurance in the U.S. since large segments of minority communities are covered by Medicaid.
 

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I'm not an economist, but I would say that the 82% that have health care have much better health care than the 100% of Canadians. This can be seen by the 'people that can afford to, go to the US when the medical condition is serious!"

And don’t be fooled into thinking that 'public health care is an altruistic movement'. It is not, everyone in the system is getting paid and paid well including the massive bureaucracy that sits on top of the system, seeming ready to crush it under.
Your anecdotal observations are just plain wrong. I have been looking at this issue for years. In Canada we get much better outcomes for much less money on almost every measure. The only place we tend to rank lower than the US is in speed of service, but on outcomes and beating preventable diseases we do significantly better.

I could afford to send my family whereever I want when they get sick. My business partner is stupidly well off. When my father got cancer and my business partner got cancer they both chose the Princess Margaret hospital for treatment.

What the US tends to get for most patients is what is commonly referred to by people in this field as "McMedicine", it is fast, but it isn't very good.
 

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Further it is not due to lack of health insurance in the U.S. since large segments of minority communities are covered by Medicaid.
And in some parts of the USA, the RICHEST country in the world, those infant mortality rates are worse than in third world countries!

This DEMONSTRATES how well this approach Aardie apologizes for works....:rolleyes:
 

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And in some parts of the USA, the RICHEST country in the world, those infant mortality rates are worse than in third world countries!

This DEMONSTRATES how well this approach Aardie apologizes for works....:rolleyes:
While it is fair to compare the infant mortality rates in Canada and the US, it is misleading to try and compare the infant mortality rates in the US versus third world countries.

Infant mortality in the US and Canada and most first world countries in calculated very differently than it is in the third world, with many children who go into the calculation for Canada and the US being left out of third world statistics.

Third world countries, and even many second world countries define "live birth" differently than we do. There are also sex bias issues around this in certain cultures.

I look forward to seeing how you factor this into your analysis Woody.
 

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I look forward to seeing how you factor this into your analysis Woody.
I'll go by UN numbers.
Sounds like you prefer fuzzy numbers....:wink:
 

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I'll go by UN numbers.
Sounds like you prefer fuzzy numbers....:wink:
The UN freely admits and often discusses the fact that "live births" are counted differently in different countries and has issued many warnings saying that the data they publish is not suitable for the purpose to which you put it.
 

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I'm not an economist, but I would say that the 82% that have health care have much better health care than the 100% of Canadians. This can be seen by the 'people that can afford to, go to the US when the medical condition is serious!"

And don’t be fooled into thinking that 'public health care is an altruistic movement'. It is not, everyone in the system is getting paid and paid well including the massive bureaucracy that sits on top of the system, seeming ready to crush it under.
For your assertion to hold water you'd have to provide the number of Canadians "…who can afford to", the number who go, and the number who don't go to the US when the condition is serious.

Please do.

As for that massive bureaucracy, it's in the US, where 1/4 to one third of all healthcare dollars are spent pushing paper that our system can move for less than half that.

Google: "us healtcare administraticve cost" even misspelled you'll get the facts.
 

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For your assertion to hold water you'd have to provide the number of Canadians "…who can afford to", the number who go, and the number who don't go to the US when the condition is serious.

Please do.

As for that massive bureaucracy, it's in the US, where 1/4 to one third of all healthcare dollars are spent pushing paper that our system can move for less than half that.

Google: "us healtcare administraticve cost" even misspelled you'll get the facts.
You make an excellent point that I missed. Advertising and administration costs eat up a much larger part of the American private health care dollar than public systems even when you calculate in the cost of collecting the relevant taxes.
 

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Further it is not due to lack of health insurance in the U.S. since large segments of minority communities are covered by Medicaid.
Don't know why you refer to minority communities, as the overall mortality rate was referred to, but regarding your comment: it's well known that many have been above the income guidelines to qualify for Medicaid, but still unable to afford insurance.
 

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Another massive injustice in American health insurance is 'pre-existing conditions', which can be something as benign as a yeast infection. Let's face it, private health insurance is not out to do anything but turn a profit. If it will cost them more than they are likely to get out of you in premiums if you survive, and that means you get screwed over and die, big fucking deal, they don't care. Sounds like, oh, what's that phrase the righties like to throw around, um, oh yeah, a 'death panel'.
 

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Canada has a less diverse population? That may come as a surprise to many on this board.
According to this racist theory of health outcomes, the less diverse the population the cheaper the cost of keeping them healthy. Unless, of course the population in question is one of genetically unhealthy ones, that evolution somehow didn't eliminate, but for profit healthcare may. Some races are too expensive to keep healthy, y'see.

The concept that whatever the origins of your neighbours and fellow-citizens, having them healthy and prosperous is good for you and yours, worth spending some money on, and can be achieved at lower cost by pooling everyone's resources is of course '…too weirdly insane' for the racists to consider.
 

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However, in fairness a good hunk of that is related to Canada having a less diverse population.
Whereas my impression is that Canada has a more diverse population. The US population is dominated by only two racial groups, which is not very diverse.
 

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whereas my impression is that canada has a more diverse population. The us population is dominated by only two racial groups, which is not very diverse.
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If the claim is that diversity makes it hard to treat people because of what--differences? Then the fewer differences there are the lower mortality there should be. Two major racial groups ought not to be hard to deal with...

Moreover places like Toronto are a heck of a lot more diverse than many US states, by any measure, and yet mortality is still lower.
 
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