Did Rob Ford cheat?

fuji

Banned
Jan 31, 2005
79,947
9
0
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
is.gd
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/989942--legal-expert-questions-rob-ford-s-election-finances?bn=1

An expert on election law has waded into the debate over Mayor Rob Ford’s campaign finances, arguing it appears Ford broke the rules on three fronts.

Peter Rosenthal, a lawyer and University of Toronto math professor, has filed an opinion on behalf of Ted Ho, one of several citizens asking the city for a “compliance audit” of Ford’s campaign finances.

Rosenthal, who has represented the Green Party of Canada and Ottawa-based non-profit Democracy Watch on election issues, says in his brief that:

• Ford’s campaign filings appear to wrongly list some functions, including his March 26, 2010, campaign launch, as fundraisers, and therefore exempt from the $1,305,066.65 spending cap. Revenue collected at the door was $7,655, plus $250 in “pass the hat cash,” while total expenses were $34,371.72. Adding even one of the questionable events to campaign spending would push Ford past the legal limit, Rosenthal says.

• Invoices to the campaign from family company Doug Ford Holdings Inc. raise the possibility the campaign borrowed improperly from a company that is not a bank or recognized lending institution. If any of the invoices weren’t repaid, the campaign accepted a corporate donation, which is illegal under Toronto’s election bylaw, he argues.

• A news report about Ford supporters with campaign shirts and signs on a bus shortly before he signed his nomination papers suggests the campaign improperly incurred expenses before he was a candidate.

...
Evidence is mounting that Rob Ford ran a crooked campaign.
 

larry

Active member
Oct 19, 2002
2,067
4
38
who cares? he's pissing away billions now (subway) with more to come. home-owners will be crying by the time he gets the boot.
 

Cobster

New member
Apr 29, 2002
10,420
0
0
He looks like a slimeball, anyone honestly surprised by this?
 

GPIDEAL

Prolific User
Jun 27, 2010
23,304
17
38
He would've still won by a lot if he hadn't raised or spent all that money. People wanted change from Miller.

Adding a subway is not pissing away money.

Rob Ford has invited the public on how to tackle the $774 million budget deficit.

You can register here for that www.torontoservicereview.ca
 

fuji

Banned
Jan 31, 2005
79,947
9
0
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
is.gd
There are degrees to an allegedly "crooked campaign" and I don't see this as particularly material in such a landslide result.

Looks more like sore losers who don't have a life.
You're probably right that it wouldn't have changed the outcome (though it might not have been a landslide with a fairly run election) but it does speak to his lack of ethics, his willingness to commit fraud, and his general dishonesty.
 

Malibook

New member
Nov 16, 2001
4,612
2
0
Paradise
www.yourtraveltickets.com
You're probably right that it wouldn't have changed the outcome (though it might not have been a landslide with a fairly run election) but it does speak to his lack of ethics, his willingness to commit fraud, and his general dishonesty.
How relevant is this, coming from a Ford hater?
Let's see how this affects his approval rating, if at all.
 

fuji

Banned
Jan 31, 2005
79,947
9
0
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
is.gd
Depends. Do you think it's relevant that the mayor of the city you live in is an untrustworthy liar who has no respect for the law and appears willing to commit fraud?
 

fuji

Banned
Jan 31, 2005
79,947
9
0
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
is.gd
I didn't ask you about his approval rating. I didn't ask you what other people think. I'm asking you what YOU think. Or are your thoughts determined by the opinion polls?

What do you personally think of having for mayor an untrustworthy liar who has no respect for the law and appears willing to commit fraud?
 

Malibook

New member
Nov 16, 2001
4,612
2
0
Paradise
www.yourtraveltickets.com
I didn't ask you about his approval rating. I didn't ask you what other people think. I'm asking you what YOU think.
Unlike you, I would not presume to know all the facts nor would I assume that every minor allegation is a major fact.

• Ford’s campaign filings appear to wrongly list some functions, including his March 26, 2010, campaign launch, as fundraisers, and therefore exempt from the $1,305,066.65 spending cap. Revenue collected at the door was $7,655, plus $250 in “pass the hat cash,” while total expenses were $34,371.72. Adding even one of the questionable events to campaign spending would push Ford past the legal limit, Rosenthal says.
Apparently this fundraiser was not very successful.
Is the implication that this expense was a bribe?


• Invoices to the campaign from family company Doug Ford Holdings Inc. raise the possibility the campaign borrowed improperly from a company that is not a bank or recognized lending institution. If any of the invoices weren’t repaid, the campaign accepted a corporate donation, which is illegal under Toronto’s election bylaw, he argues.
That is a question, not a statement of fact.

• A news report about Ford supporters with campaign shirts and signs on a bus shortly before he signed his nomination papers suggests the campaign improperly incurred expenses before he was a candidate.
No evidence of who paid for the shirts and not a big deal in any case.
 

fuji

Banned
Jan 31, 2005
79,947
9
0
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
is.gd
Apparently this fundraiser was not very successful.
Is the implication that this expense was a bribe?
No. The implication is that Ford was fraudulently pretending that it was a fundraising event when everybody knew that it was actually a campaign event. That the "fundraising" was tacked on to a regular campaign stop as a smoke screen to hide the illegal spending.

That is a question, not a statement of fact.
Yes. And it's a very, very good question.

No evidence of who paid for the shirts and not a big deal in any case.
It doesn't matter who paid for it. If it was paid for by a third party and then the materials donated to the campaign that has to be recorded as a campaign contribution.
 

Malibook

New member
Nov 16, 2001
4,612
2
0
Paradise
www.yourtraveltickets.com
It doesn't matter who paid for it. If it was paid for by a third party and then the materials donated to the campaign that has to be recorded as a campaign contribution.
That is not the allegation.
The allegation is about the timing.
Perhaps it would have taken a few hours after the signing to get the shirts. :rolleyes:


• A news report about Ford supporters with campaign shirts and signs on a bus shortly before he signed his nomination papers suggests the campaign improperly incurred expenses before he was a candidate.
 
Ashley Madison
Toronto Escorts