There are two separate allegations, you mixed them up. The campaign event masquerading as a fundraiser is a different issue than the fraud with the donated supplies.That is not the allegation.
The allegation is about the timing.
Perhaps it would have taken a few hours after the signing to get the shirts.
Did Rob Ford cheat?
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I can say this from personal experience. I sent a $500 donation from my personal corporation to the Ford campaign. They sent my cheque back saying that they can't accept corporate donations. Doesn't sound like cheating to me.
So "Doug Ford Holdings" did not directly provide services to the campaign. Instead it simply paid many of the campaign's suppliers. It paid Bell Canada, it paid $3000 for a campain worker, it paid the cost of renting venues, it paid cellphone bills. In short it was not a supplier. It was paying expenses, then was repaid by the campaign later. In short, what Doug Ford Holdings was supplying to the campaign was cash to pay suppliers.
Doug Ford Holdings was then repaid a year later with a cheque from the campaign, but no interest was paid on the money it had spent, despite a year having gone by. There are two problems with this--first it's tantamount to a $5000 or $7000 corporate donation (the value of 1 year interest free loan, depending on the rate you pick) and secondly it's illegal for the campaign to borrow money like that anyway.
http://www.thestar.com/news/toronto...-ford-firm-a-campaign-supplier-or-lender?bn=1
When the allegations are properly investigated and receive the appropriate public hearing, then it may well be that he is guilty. Or not. Until Bob and Doug actually reveal all the details and doings of their campaigns so the process may proceede, the allegations stand.
If you want to treat allegations as guilt that is your judgement to make, red. As it is anyone's.
Where did I say he was guilty? I said there's mounting evidence that he is. Nowhere did I say he'd been proven guilty yet.
You don't think it's useful or material to discuss these allegations that Rob Ford was elected partly through electoral fraud? His win was large enough that it's likely he still would have been elected, even had he not done these potentially fraudulent things.
It does, however, speak to his character. Yet another case of Rob Ford caught in some pretty dodgy business, a lie, and so on. It seems to be a pattern with him.
"Did". "Didn't". You think fuji should have waited until iron-clad evidence was in, but condemned him for what you read into and beyond what he said.
When the evidence is in we may know what Bob and Doug did. Or didn't. So far they're not exactly rushing to clear the air, and the wheels of due process run at set speeds. And don't always clear the air.
You, me and fuj will just have to form our interim opinions with what we have, when we have it. Fortunately none of us is a Tryer of Guilt.
I personally think Rob Ford is much better for Toronto than that slick leftie David Miller [no matter what mud they try to throw at Ford].
D.
Funny, from your posts elsewhere, I would have thought you would dislike a mayor who gives out such generous pay rises to union employees. So far Ford has been nothing but good news for Toronto's unions, hiking their salaries like mad, I don't think any previous mayor has done quite as much as he has to boost the union wage around here.
I'm sure he's got a hidden agenda [as all right wingers apparently do according to the lefties]. He does seem to love the cops though; maybe he's afraid of more charges!
I guess he can't fire all the unions [one can only dream] but I'm sure he will be more respectful of taxpayers money than the previous mayor.
Time will tell. D.
Not just the cops. If I were a TTC employee I would bow down and praise the lord for the huge salary and benefits gift package that Rob Ford has bestowed upon me. I mean, they've finally got all the things they fought for, for so many years--guaranteed pay rises, jobs for life. It's all in the bag now, thanks to Rob Ford.
Given how much taxpayer money he is showering on the unions I find it quite an odd thing to say that he is "respectful of taxpayer money". Quite odd.
Given how much taxpayer money he is showering on the unions I find it quite an odd thing to say that he is "respectful of taxpayer money". Quite odd.
Oh yeah, and on the Toronto community housing thing--you're aware of how much money Rob Ford's show of bravado cost the taxpayers???
You're aware that the severance and termination pay that the president and chair are going to get now are many, many, many times more money than what the agency is alleged to have squandered?
How is that respect for taxpayer dollars????
You're aware that the severance and termination pay that the president and chair are going to get now are many, many, many times more money than what the agency is alleged to have squandered?
How is that respect for taxpayer dollars????
Twist all the little factoids you want but it is indisputable that Ford will overall be much more respectful of taxpayer dollars than Miller time. I care much more for that than the sore losers getting their panties in a knot.
D.
All of this will be swept under the rug my friend. For good measure too. Rob Ford's doing a great job. He's going to initiate a lockout in January 2012 and make those sad ass unionized City workers practically beg to come back. Forget about a strike and stinky garbage in the Summer of 2012!
More of the Ford's playing fast and loose with the rules:
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1049701--doug-ford-s-mall-dealings-spark-complaint?bn=1
They've been in conversation with developers over the portlands, but without following the proper process. By itself that's not a big deal, but it's part of an overall pattern, a cavalier attitude towards the rules, towards the controls that are meant to limit wasteful spending and ensure the city is getting value for its money.
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1049701--doug-ford-s-mall-dealings-spark-complaint?bn=1
They've been in conversation with developers over the portlands, but without following the proper process. By itself that's not a big deal, but it's part of an overall pattern, a cavalier attitude towards the rules, towards the controls that are meant to limit wasteful spending and ensure the city is getting value for its money.
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