Did She Just Experience What I Did?

[Jasmine Raine]

The title of this thread is "Did She Just Experience What I Did?"


I can't see how this is possible when one of the two participants gets a large sum of money after the encounter even if the sexual chemistry is equal. The fact your getting paid to have this great time has give a bit of extra euphoria...lol.

Wait.... you mean he is not just as happy giving me the cash as I am taking it???

Man I am selfish bitch then eh?? LMAO. Just jokes sweetie.

As Jessica says, "the fee for my time is the boundary". Gentlemen, please read this very carefully, and understand that there is nothing between the two of you beyond what is happening during the session. Also know that this is the beauty of the situation; you are paying her fee in part to protect yourself from misunderstanding what is going on. She is not your girlfriend, which is also why it's perfectly fine for married men to see professional ladies. So have fun, make her dripping wet, then forget it and get back to your ordinary life...thanks to men and women of good sense, like James Kirk and Jessica who have written intelligently on this subject!

Thank you for the kind words and understanding.

Given that some clients have dated and/or ended up in long term relationships with providers, it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility. That said, one should not expect this to be the norm going in and mistake the lady's intent as anything more than what it is. In say 99% of cases, there is nothing there.

I have been asked before why I charge the rate I do if I do this for the reasons I do. Like maybe I should only charge a flat fee of like $100/date type thing.

Except people forget environment, atomisphere and attention to detail. My house is always clean, there is every type of male amenity available for individual use, coffee is always fresh and hot, time is never rushed, and communication before, during and after is unlike most in this industry. I don’t even take the cash in hand if I can avoid it. I have a little dish on the hallway table and it just gets tossed in there and left until after my date leaves.

I feel I offer a private mistress experience. Which really can blur the lines sometimes. Hence the money. It really helps keep things in perspective. I consider the payment an appreciated for the TLC I put into the relationship by keeping it professional but making it feel personal on every other level.

If I didn’t get the cash - I could easily fall into that 1% with a few different clients I have. LOL

I have met a few “industry couples”. Sadly, most don’t work out for anything longer then a couple of years and I have heard a few ladies who wished they never “quit” for the client/BF but I have also seen some that have lasted and I am so jealous of those ones. They really have found the ultimate relationship if you ask me.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Oh Black Booty, I'm not "naive", I would just like to see the evidence! Now Jessica says she has known some "industry couples". O.K., she must know, I accept then that it happens. But to me the most basic statement I ever read (on this board, too, I wish I could remember who wrote it) was something like "Why would she go out with you? She already knows you're a cheating scumbag with more money that sense." But that's not from the male's point of view, obviously.

I have heard that statement before or the matching one, “Why would you date a hooker who has had more dick then a baseball game sells hotdogs” Tons of guys think that escorts are not “dating/wifey” material.

 

[sempel]

There are absolutely situations where lines between sex worker/client have been crossed. Weather it's strippers, escorts, etc. Doesn't happen often? No. As sempel, the percentage is pretty low, but you gotta be kind of naïve to think it never happens.

Exactly. One SP I saw indicated if I happen to be in a certain area, give her a shout and we'll meet for food (sadly I haven't been near that area so I've haven't done anything). So, assume she meant what she says, I go there, give her a shout, and we meet. What does that mean? Clearly, it's not a paid SP date. So it's a friendship. Now, do I expect anything more than some company - no. But am I thinking that one possible outcome is more than just a simple, one-time meet? Yes.

There are a lot of arrangements that fall under the term "relationship" that aren't marriage. I'd say anything where the lady spends time with you that is not paid is a relationship - obviously what you do during that time determines the exact nature of the relationship. One such relationship is when the lady retires - maybe you were a client and she reaches out.

Bottom line, in a few cases, there has been something there (in general, not specifically with me). I was PM'ing with a fellow who said he dated an MPA (she was no longer around so I sent him a ISO) for a year. When I asked, he said he was a client and they talked and met up.

 

[sempel]

Oh Black Booty, I'm not "naive", I would just like to see the evidence! Now Jessica says she has known some "industry couples". O.K., she must know, I accept then that it happens. But to me the most basic statement I ever read (on this board, too, I wish I could remember who wrote it) was something like "Why would she go out with you? She already knows you're a cheating scumbag with more money that sense." But that's not from the male's point of view, obviously.

Any provider who thinks this shouldn't see clients.

I have heard that statement before or the matching one, “Why would you date a hooker who has had more dick then a baseball game sells hotdogs” Tons of guys think that escorts are not “dating/wifey” material.

Any guy who thinks this shouldn't see providers.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Any provider who thinks this shouldn't see clients.



Any guy who thinks this shouldn't see providers.

Except I think that is what the majority on both sides feel about the other.

 

[black booty lover]

Exactly. One SP I saw indicated if I happen to be in a certain area, give her a shout and we'll meet for food (sadly I haven't been near that area so I've haven't done anything). So, assume she meant what she says, I go there, give her a shout, and we meet. What does that mean? Clearly, it's not a paid SP date. So it's a friendship. Now, do I expect anything more than some company - no. But am I thinking that one possible outcome is more than just a simple, one-time meet? Yes.

There are a lot of arrangements that fall under the term "relationship" that aren't marriage. I'd say anything where the lady spends time with you that is not paid is a relationship - obviously what you do during that time determines the exact nature of the relationship. One such relationship is when the lady retires - maybe you were a client and she reaches out.

Bottom line, in a few cases, there has been something there (in general, not specifically with me). I was PM'ing with a fellow who said he dated an MPA (she was no longer around so I sent him a ISO) for a year. When I asked, he said he was a client and they talked and met up.

I have two friends that ended up dating strippers, and one who ended up dating an MP attendant. These types of relationships can obviously come with baggage or be a bit more complicated, but that's a different thread...lol. My point is that it does happen.

 

[Bostonmass]

The smart ladies are just looking for a nice guy to add to their weekly rooster of regulars.

Life is so much nicer for them when they can have 10 guaranteed nice regulars per week rather than all smelly, stinking cheap walk-ins.

That’s all. The only way you’ll know you are the stud is if she invites you home for an all nighter, no charge.

The end!

 

[Jasmina]

Only this thought doesn't take into consideration that often (with regulars at least) we learn WHY they are "cheating scumbags" and often it is circumstantial (often but not always of course). So knowing their history and circumstance trust may not be an issue. And vice versa, a regular may know more so than anyone what the SPs volume actually is as opposed to what the general stigma might be. Usually much less. Most girls I know are happy to see 3 clients a day, or less. I have only known a couple who actually saw 10+ a day, generally you see that more in MPAs.

Any provider who thinks this shouldn't see clients.



Any guy who thinks this shouldn't see providers.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

The smart ladies are just looking for a nice guy to add to their weekly rooster of regulars.

Life is so much nicer for them when they can have 10 guaranteed nice regulars per week rather than all smelly, stinking cheap walk-ins.

That’s all. The only way you’ll know you are the stud is if she invites you home for an all nighter, no charge.

The end!

Maybe for you, but not everyone. To assume the only way a lady can show you that you are a "stud" [that term is laughable on its own] is for her to bring you home for "an all nighter" free of charge, is ridiculous.

Only this thought doesn't take into consideration that often (with regulars at least) we learn WHY they are "cheating scumbags" and often it is circumstantial (often but not always of course). So knowing their history and circumstance trust may not be an issue. And vice versa, a regular may know more so than anyone what the SPs volume actually is as opposed to what the general stigma might be. Usually much less. Most girls I know are happy to see 3 clients a day, or less. I have only known a couple who actually saw 10+ a day, generally you see that more in MPAs.

Good points, and I totally agree.

I also agree that from what I have heard, most are seeing 3/4 clients a shift or less. Anyone who believes a that most women are having actual sex with 10+ clients a day is a person I want to sell land in the Sahara too. If you know what I mean. LOL

 

[sempel]

Except I think that is what the majority on both sides feel about the other.

Which is kind of sad. Personally, I don't want to see a lady who secretly thinks I'm a cheating scumbag. I'm not sure about the other side but I imagine a lady is not too fond of a client who thinks she's slutty and not dateable. I get the reasoning but basically a guy is saying you are only worth sleeping with, which is a bad attitude. Sadly that describes a large portion of the clientele.

Only this thought doesn't take into consideration that often (with regulars at least) we learn WHY they are "cheating scumbags" and often it is circumstantial (often but not always of course). So knowing their history and circumstance trust may not be an issue. And vice versa, a regular may know more so than anyone what the SPs volume actually is as opposed to what the general stigma might be. Usually much less. Most girls I know are happy to see 3 clients a day, or less. I have only known a couple who actually saw 10+ a day, generally you see that more in MPAs.

All I'm saying is if the client secretly loaths the provider or the provider secretly loaths the client, that's not very good. This all boils down to hypocrisy. Can't say a woman is a slut for sleeping around and a guy a stud for the same thing. Either she's a stud or he's a slut too. Take your pic!

There are a few ladies who do see a lot of clients/day. They are either agency girls or indy's that pack their schedule. Of course, chances are it's not 10 1 hour appointments. Probably a lot of HH appointments. Chances are the appointments are booked close together which means fatigue, less chance of cleanliness, and other negatives when booked that close together.

Maybe for you, but not everyone. To assume the only way a lady can show you that you are a "stud" [that term is laughable on its own] is for her to bring you home for "an all nighter" free of charge, is ridiculous.

Good points, and I totally agree.

I also agree that from what I have heard, most are seeing 3/4 clients a shift or less. Anyone who believes a that most women are having actual sex with 10+ clients a day is a person I want to sell land in the Sahara too. If you know what I mean. LOL

Agreed - a free all-nighter is likely the most extreme example. Most likely example is hanging out with you after/before for coffee, a meal, tv, etc.

So, you're selling and in the Sahara? How much? If I can't make a decision, don't hold a gun to my head! lol

 

[Samranchoi]

I saw one woman for the first time and our session was ok. Afterwards, I took my shower and when done she took hers. When she came out we talked for a bit and then I left. I booked another appt a week later and when she saw me she was extremely happy and very talkative. So much so, before we knew it our time was up and it was time for me to leave. I gave her the money for the session but she refused to take it since we didn't actually do anything other than talk. I told her it as ok but she insisted I keep the money. As I was leaving she said to me that she wished I could stay. I told her that I could stay which eventually led to the entire night. We talked a lot about the business and our lives and didn't have sex. She had explained to me why she felt so comfortable with me. She had mentioned during our first session I truly impressed her by doing one small thing. When she was in the shower I noticed her things on the floor so I picked them up and folded them neatly on the bed. She thought this was very thoughtful as no one had done that before for her. Who would have thought that such a small thing could mean so much.

For months we spent a lot of time together but more as friends. There were numerous ovenighters with some sex but mostly she just wanted a friend she could talk with and do things with. Never held hands or did anything affectionate when we were outside (I am much older than her-she is younger than my grown daughters). She just wanted to spend time together and there was never any pressure or expectation for sexual activity.

 

[wickman12]

I saw one woman for the first time and our session was ok. Afterwards, I took my shower and when done she took hers. When she came out we talked for a bit and then I left. I booked another appt a week later and when she saw me she was extremely happy and very talkative. So much so, before we knew it our time was up and it was time for me to leave. I gave her the money for the session but she refused to take it since we didn't actually do anything other than talk. I told her it as ok but she insisted I keep the money. As I was leaving she said to me that she wished I could stay. I told her that I could stay which eventually led to the entire night. We talked a lot about the business and our lives and didn't have sex. She had explained to me why she felt so comfortable with me. She had mentioned during our first session I truly impressed her by doing one small thing. When she was in the shower I noticed her things on the floor so I picked them up and folded them neatly on the bed. She thought this was very thoughtful as no one had done that before for her. Who would have thought that such a small thing could mean so much.

For months we spent a lot of time together but more as friends. There were numerous ovenighters with some sex but mostly she just wanted a friend she could talk with and do things with. Never held hands or did anything affectionate when we were outside (I am much older than her-she is younger than my grown daughters). She just wanted to spend time together and there was never any pressure or expectation for sexual activity.

Well, now that u finally spill the chili....

Hey man, it sounds like u were the friend she needed from time to time. So is this still going on? Have your feelings now evolved to the point where u want to be even closer to her as in, a couples love relationship?

 

[GameBoy27]

I went to a new MP above a store near Bayview and Eglinton many years ago. There was just one Asian woman working named Linda. She looked late 20s, 5'2", 100 lbs. and a little shy which added to her cuteness factor. The first time I got a basic massage and HJ. The next time during the HJ, I gently felt her ass. As I did, she undid her belt and pulled down her jeans and underwear, giving me access to her rather wet kitty. The third time, I got there a 1/2 hour before they closed and again, just her working. I offered to massage her during the session.

She took off her clothes and got on the table. After a few minutes, I reached into my pants pocket hanging on the door and pulled out a condom. Showing it to her, I asked if I should put it on. She looked a little surprised and said "we're going to have sex?" I said if you want. She nodded yes. On went the cover and we had sex for the next 30 minutes in a multitude of positions. Standing, on the table, on the chair etc.

When we were done, she said "that was good, I'm not going to charge you for the sex." She wouldn't even accept a tip. The total was $40 and I was there for an hour and 15 mins. I went back a week later and the place was closed for good. She told me massage was a temporary gig while she was studying to become an acupuncturist. I never saw her again.

So to answer your question "Did She Just Experience What I Did?" I would say yes.

 

[sempel]

Oh Sempel, I understand where you're coming from when you say "she shouldn't see her scumbag clients", and as a man I can even agree with you. The trouble is that the qualities that make for a good client and those that make for a good boyfriend or husband are not even similar. To an SP, a client who shows up (and leaves) on time, who is relatively fit, is clean and doesn't haggle over money is already a pretty good client. The fact that he's a cheating scumbag isn't her problem; he's not her man, after all. Sorry, it's just the way women see the world. Just like us men: How many guys on this board have turned down a beautiful woman with big tits and long hair just because she might be a "slut"? Well, not many; you can take that to the bank! It all has to do with what anthropologists distinguish as short- or long-term mating strategies. The whore/Madonna distinction might seem unfortunate to us as modern people, but it's actually very close to the way we instinctively grasp the world.

I don't know if you took it the way I meant it. I'm saying that if an SP holds her clients in contempt - if she thinks "he's a cheating scumbag", she has a negative opinion of her client. Now, she's ok with sleeping with this supposed scumbag for money. What does that make her? I get that's part of the job but if you loathe your clients, chances are you aren't going to be a good provider and probably shouldn't be one.

When I see an SP, I don't think of her as a whore, a slut, a bitch, etc. I don't think of her as a piece of meat. I don't think of her as a sex object and I'm there to get my rocks off. I think of her as a lady. What does it say about me if I think she's any of the negative things I've mentioned yet I'm willing to be this this woman? If I loathe SP's and think they are bad, it probably makes me a bad client and I probably shouldn't be seeing SP's.

It's like a doctor who loathes his patients. It's like a cook who despises the people eating his/her food. That loathing is extremely difficult to hide. I don't think I'd be too happy with myself if I thought "Hey, this lady is trash. Now let's spend time with her and be intimate" If you think an SP is trash, chances are you are going to treat her like that.

I generally like to avoid judging someone. I try and avoid going in with preconceived notions about who a person is, what they are, and in the case of an SP, why they do what they do.

 

[sempel]

No Sempel, it's me who is unclear! Even if the SP thought we were slimy shit for cheating on our wives, she would be just fine with it. It's an irrelevancy as far as she and the job are concerned. She's there to get a job done, and that's why the things I mentioned before, hygiene, punctuality, etc, are what matter to her. Women in general, and SP's in particular, are good at compartmentalizing their feelings; if they were't they couldn't possibly do the job they do (and you have to agree with that!). Similarly, I don't think of the ladies I see as "whores" or "sluts", or whatever the fuck. They are there to do a job, and nothing more. The ones I see over and over, I have selected for their skill and professionalism, not because I think we would make a good couple, ha, ha!

Fair enough (I guess). I do think there's a difference between a lady that passes judgement and doesn't. To your point, a pro doesn't care about your personal situation because it's irrelevant.

 

[Kirby2006]

I generally like to avoid judging someone. I try and avoid going in with preconceived notions about who a person is, what they are, and in the case of an SP, why they do what they do.

We judge all the time to make choices. We judge reviews, reviewers, appearance, personality and if they are active here, how they comport themselves. If we don't have any preconceived notions we'll be guaranteed to have a bad time more often than not. In the general public it's not much different. If you can't read people quickly your path through life will be difficult.

 

[sempel]

We judge all the time to make choices. We judge reviews, reviewers, appearance, personality and if they are active here, how they comport themselves. If we don't have any preconceived notions we'll be guaranteed to have a bad time more often than not. In the general public it's not much different. If you can't read people quickly your path through life will be difficult.

I'm not sure why you have cut out the first part of my reply as it contains the context for this. You are arguing a single point which on it's own doesn't sound the same as how it sounds when considered with the rest. So saying we judge all the time, while true, is a bad counter as it really doesn't apply to what I said. And if you don't have preconceived notions you actually are more likely to have a good time. Preconceived notions are expectations - go in with more/high expectations, higher chance of disappointment.

It's not about reading people. It's about judging people. I could read a positive review about a provider so I go see her. But I'm only going to decide if she's good once we interact, not based on some preconceived notion. Same thing with a bad provider - I can read about an SP who someone says was rude. I can go in thinking she's rude or I can wait for her to interact with me first before I make a decision. And in the context of this thread, and what I was saying earlier, I don't judge an SP for being an SP and the usual negative connotations that are sometimes attributed to SP's.

 

[Samranchoi]

I went to a new MP above a store near Bayview and Eglinton many years ago. There was just one Asian woman working named Linda. She looked late 20s, 5'2", 100 lbs. and a little shy which added to her cuteness factor. The first time I got a basic massage and HJ. The next time during the HJ, I gently felt her ass. As I did, she undid her belt and pulled down her jeans and underwear, giving me access to her rather wet kitty. The third time, I got there a 1/2 hour before they closed and again, just her working. I offered to massage her during the session.

She took off her clothes and got on the table. After a few minutes, I reached into my pants pocket hanging on the door and pulled out a condom. Showing it to her, I asked if I should put it on. She looked a little surprised and said "we're going to have sex?" I said if you want. She nodded yes. On went the cover and we had sex for the next 30 minutes in a multitude of positions. Standing, on the table, on the chair etc.

When we were done, she said "that was good, I'm not going to charge you for the sex." She wouldn't even accept a tip. The total was $40 and I was there for an hour and 15 mins. I went back a week later and the place was closed for good. She told me massage was a temporary gig while she was studying to become an acupuncturist. I never saw her again.

So to answer your question "Did She Just Experience What I Did?" I would say yes.

I remember years ago seeing an extremely beautiful French Canadian MPA, someone that I would never think I could ever have sex with. During our first couple sessions, like you, it was just normal activities like massage, touching, kissing and HE. During our third session she allowed much more and she finished with a bbbjcim. My head was absolutely spinning at the thought of the experience I just had. When I went to pay her I asked her how much and she said the normal amount. I offered to pay her more and she said that we never discussed the amount beforehand and besides, she had a really fun time. Soon after she left the MP and went Indy and luckily her location was very close to mine.

 

[GameBoy27]

I remember years ago seeing an extremely beautiful French Canadian MPA, someone that I would never think I could ever have sex with. During our first couple sessions, like you, it was just normal activities like massage, touching, kissing and HE. During our third session she allowed much more and she finished with a bbbjcim. My head was absolutely spinning at the thought of the experience I just had. When I went to pay her I asked her how much and she said the normal amount. I offered to pay her more and she said that we never discussed the amount beforehand and besides, she had a really fun time. Soon after she left the MP and went Indy and luckily her location was very close to mine.

Good for you. Fun when that happens. Those random things that just "happen" are the best!

 

[Jasmine Raine]

I remember years ago seeing an extremely beautiful French Canadian MPA, someone that I would never think I could ever have sex with. During our first couple sessions, like you, it was just normal activities like massage, touching, kissing and HE. During our third session she allowed much more and she finished with a bbbjcim. My head was absolutely spinning at the thought of the experience I just had. When I went to pay her I asked her how much and she said the normal amount. I offered to pay her more and she said that we never discussed the amount beforehand and besides, she had a really fun time. Soon after she left the MP and went Indy and luckily her location was very close to mine.

Soemtimes a lady just wants to blow.

I was doing a massage for a new client not to long ago and it took everything in my power not to go down on him. Next session[SP session] though, I think I spent most of our time down there. LOL