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Divorce Allimony when does it stop

nottyboi

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Just the child support laws and spousal support laws would prevent me from ever marrying in Canada. eff it. nothing is worth the grief I see so many men have to endure.
 

mandrill

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Isn't there a website that uses standard formulas adopted by the courts to calculate support? (I attended a seminar which discussed family law, and a lawyer mentioned this. It could be for child support only.)
There is probably a copy of the child support chart on the A-G's website under "family law". There are spousal support guidelines too, but they are so complex that they cannot be accessed except by computer program.
 

rgkv

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It's very complicated....the law never clearly answered that question.. I have looked hard and long but find no other way out,,,,,lawyer did say if I wait 10 years [3 more LOL] I can go back and try to fight it,,,,,
I'm bring this post back to life cause my 3 years is up and I am thinking of giving it a whirl......Just wanted to bring the question back for anyone who might have tried or just maybe some never guide lines have come to surface.......
 

GPIDEAL

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I've read the past posts here.

Many years ago I was married very briefly. I had to pay 'interim-interim support' so she can find her own apartment but she moved back to her mother's. I still had to pay $500 per month. It ended after the divorce settlement. (Unlike what someone said above in 2010 that there's no spousal support if the marriage is less than five years, but my ex-wife was fresh out of university with only a part-time job and expected to continue the lifestyle which I paid for).

Someone else said that their wife got a letter from a shrink saying she had chronic depression and couldn't work which justified continuing her support.

Well, my ex went to a shrink and got a letter saying she had PTSD (bullshit!). She fooled him (she had a Masters in Social Work). So I had to fight this bullshit. I had her resumes (which I helped her write them during our brief marriage). Got a P.I. to call her as if she was a prospective employer and she admitted that she'd love to start right away. She dropped her jaw in shock when it was revealed at a discovery examination. That's how the divorce settlement came to be. Her lawyer supported her lies. This is despicable.
 
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John Henry

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I've read the past posts here.

Many years ago I was married very briefly. I had to pay 'interim-interim support' so she can find her own apartment but she moved back to her mother's. I still had to pay $500 per month. It ended after the divorce settlement. (Unlike what someone said above in 2010 that there's no spousal support if the marriage is less than five years, but my ex-wife was fresh out of university with only a part-time job and expected to continue the lifestyle which I paid for).

Someone else said that their wife got a letter from a shrink saying she had chronic depression and couldn't work which justified continuing her support.

Well, my ex went to a shrink and got a letter saying she had PTSD (bullshit!). She fooled him (she had a Masters in Social Work). So I had to fight this bullshit. I had her resumes (which I helped her write them during our brief marriage). Got a P.I. to call her as if she was a prospective employer and she admitted that she'd love to start right away. Her dropped her jaw in shock when it was revealed at a discovery examination. That's how the divorce settlement came to be. Her lawyer supported her lies. This is despicable.
You are my HERO .

Some of you guy's have to face facts . There is no life long partner. No soul mate . It's all bullshit . The words you utter " I Love You " are turned around by her in a few years to , " My Lawyer Says ".
 

GPIDEAL

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Thank you for your support but the break up wasn't entirely her fault but there was no infidelity issue. It was the first year marriage stress. I didn't want a divorce. She gave up way too soon with different expectations than we initially planned. Then out of spite, all she wanted was money. Even tried to go after family business and a trust. A relative told me to now fight fire with fire. And I did. My ex appeared at the discovery examination wearing coveralls (out of character for a princess who wore designer clothes), no make up, and pulled out a bag of pills as if she required lotsa medication. Even my lawyer was perturbed by the scene. Then he dropped the bomb. She cried and hugged her scheming feminist lawyer.

It wasn't a huge settlement but I was young at the time, and the stress and emotional damage it caused stunted my growth. I felt like Donald Trump ats. Ivana Trump (my ex was of similar ilk - she looked like Vana White too).

The judge told me if I didn't give her all our savings, that I would be stupid to proceed to court. It wasn't a king's ransom but still, a fair amount of money left over from our wedding (virtually all of the cash gifts was from my side of the family).

That being said, I still believe in love and permanent relationships and marriage.
 

rgkv

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I can't find anyone who's tried?????????? There must be guys out there who have gone to court to fight spousal support { not child, we had no children between us} } after so many years............I was married 11 years...
 

Scarey

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I'd like to jump in here with a scenario.Married 8 years.Wife is legally disabled but has been working full time since we met and makes more then i do.If we split, how much gravity would that hold if she decided lifetime disability with me paying would be a good way to screw me over?Would the fact she has steady employment for 8 years be a factor in the decision?
 

fmahovalich

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A buddy of mine has been researching this recently.
He has been married around 12 years with 2 kids and she has never worked.
He told me that child support depends on how long the kids go to school so could be 18 plus 4 or 5 more years.
He says he will have to give her half of their assets and pay her alimony for 6 years.
Which would be fair.....and right.
 

fmahovalich

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not that I've ever been through the ringer, thank god for small miracles, but yeah, the way the system is set up there is NO reason for a woman to get remarried. She can live commonlaw or date for the rest of her life and be sitting pretty. Not to diminish the "value" of her raising the kids, or keeping the home etc but lifelong support should be stopped. Give a woman a certain amount of time to get back on her feet, get herself a job or whatever, but really, we have no problem paying people NOT to work so why would spousal support be any different?

All the horror stories I've heard about marriages falling apart (even when the woman commits the adultery) and the husbands get screwed makes me thankful that I never married.......
The husband too can get remarried. Then all is good.
 

fmahovalich

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I'd like to jump in here with a scenario.Married 8 years.Wife is legally disabled but has been working full time since we met and makes more then i do.If we split, how much gravity would that hold if she decided lifetime disability with me paying would be a good way to screw me over?Would the fact she has steady employment for 8 years be a factor in the decision?
Quite likely she would have to pay you alimony, assuming you both continued and she made more.
 

BigFloppyDick

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Costs;

Legal Separation,

$2500 (minimum) to retain a lawyer for a legal separation.
$300.00 to draft A legal separation document. (A rough summary or draft of incomes & assets).
+ $2500 for THE LEGAL SEPARATION DOCUMENT FORM! + $250 - $500 per hour to draft.
+ $300 for the spouses lawyer to read each draft. + $250 ->$500 per hour for their legal services or advice.
Note - ALL this money gets burnt up (to the lawyers/courts) if the spouse refuses any part of THE legal separation document form!

Repeat + $2500 for every draft of this document until 'spouse' agrees to terms!

These conditions can sum to 10's (if not 100s) of thousands of dollars in this stage! This condition is know to go on for decades as one of the parties might not want out or doesn't agree with the conditions of the agreement.

Regarding Alimony or Palimony!

To retain a court lawyer or, the retainer needed to acquire or procure a family court lawyer is minimum $5000.00
The Legal Document required to enter this level of 'justice' when a claim to sue for Alimony, Palimony, child support, business or multiple properties is an additional $5000.00

The Spouse that made the most monies during the marriage (live together for 6 months = marriage) is legally, financially responsible to support the lesser income generating spouse to the level they were accustomed to during the marriage!
The parent who houses the 'children' is legally entitled to receive monies from the parent that does not house the 'children'. For example; the 35 year old dead beat hippy son is still under the courts jurisdiction, "as long as he is in school"!

So $10,000 + the lawyers hourly fee plus tax if it goes straight to court!

If there has been some attempts to settle out of court before this level of action is required is +$2500 +$2500 +$2500 +$2500 and so on!

It is a racketeers dream. The Canadian legal system is infested with life savings sucking legal criminals!
 

Ceiling Cat

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In divorce, there are many variables. I know a woman that worked and sent her husband through school. Later he became very successful. In her divorce, she was granted the house, the country house, half his income even his income after he retires.
 

GPIDEAL

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A buddy of mine has been researching this recently.
He has been married around 12 years with 2 kids and she has never worked.
He told me that child support depends on how long the kids go to school so could be 18 plus 4 or 5 more years.
He says he will have to give her half of their assets and pay her alimony for 6 years.

For two employees who had either child or spousal support, it ended in the former case when the kids reached 18 or stopped their schooling, whichever is later; in the latter case, it was when she got remarried I believe.
 

Serpent

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So it's only if the wife doesn't work that there's alimony to be paid? Or is it even if she works but makes less than the husband?
 

rgkv

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So it's only if the wife doesn't work that there's alimony to be paid? Or is it even if she works but makes less than the husband?
Who ever makes the most {working or not} pays the other to equal themselves........
 

Serpent

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Who ever makes the most {working or not} pays the other to equal themselves........
why? why's "equality" in wages desirable from a legal perspective (especially if no kids)??? There's got to be some moral basis for this, right?
 

BigFloppyDick

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Your post if full of completely inaccurate information and is simply not true.
This sentence doesn't make sense as an argument.

I can not do anything but agree that "if" my post was full of completely inaccurate information and is simply not true.
You're right, except my post was not completely inaccurate therefore it is simply true.
 
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