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shane4

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I don't think we can deny the there are a lot purchasers in this industry, but the purchase is illegal. Do you think that there are purchasers out there that don't know they are committing a criminal act?
 

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I don't think we can deny the there are a lot purchasers in this industry, but the purchase is illegal. Do you think that there are purchasers out there that don't know they are committing a criminal act?
Difference between criminal and illegal, sometimes the same as the difference between a crime and a sin...
 

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I don't think we can deny the there are a lot purchasers in this industry, but the purchase is illegal. Do you think that there are purchasers out there that don't know they are committing a criminal act?
Yes.
 

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I don't think we can deny the there are a lot purchasers in this industry, but the purchase is illegal. Do you think that there are purchasers out there that don't know they are committing a criminal act?
An equally valid question is whether you know there is a police Prioritization Policy in Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver that effectively eliminates the risk of arrest in the circumstances advertised and reviewed on Terb, and whether you have followed the Ontario-specific court cases that bring into play (for Ontario) the very real question of whether c-36 is enforceable (which further eliminates the risk of arrest unless the lady is underaged, coerced, or a victim of violence by the customer)?
 
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An equally valid question is whether you know there is a police Prioritization Policy in Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver that effectively eliminates the risk of arrest in the circumstances advertised and reviewed on Terb, and whether you have followed the Ontario-specific court cases that bring into play (for Ontario) the very real question of whether c-36 is enforceable (which further eliminates the risk of arrest unless the lady is underaged, coerced, or a victim of violence by the customer)?
What's the upshot of those Ontario cases so far?
 

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I don't think we can deny the there are a lot purchasers in this industry, but the purchase is illegal. Do you think that there are purchasers out there that don't know they are committing a criminal act?
In this day and age, if you're a john, you have to live under a rock to not know Bill C-36, but still we cannot rule out the possibility there are some real dumb fucks out there.

My coworker visits spas but doesn't know about Terb. I wouldn't be surprised he never heard of Bill C-36.
 
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What's the upshot of those Ontario cases so far?
My recollection, although I haven’t followed them as closely as I am sure others here on Terb have, is that call into serious question the Constitutionality of c-36, but limit the decision to Ontario, therefore allowing the Canadian Supreme Court to simply decline hearing an appeal that would cause a new level of turmoil.

Both the legislature and even the courts in Canada made it clear they didn’t want full Decriminalization. So Canada ended up in a pretty good case with its Nordic model. The police in metro areas made it clear they have no interest in enforcing the law absent the lady being underaged, coerced, or a victim of violence related to the commercial sex act. The police in rural areas and certain suburbs are not so kind but are able to use the law to make it clear that fucking for money belongs in the big cities. And courts make it clear they don‘t want to hear further cases on the subject by declining to hear them or issue any meaningful rulings on them when they are forced to do so.

The U.S. has a similar situation honestly with its sweeping Fosta/Sesta legislation. There are likely lots of behind the scenes deals that are unpublicized. TER was quietly allowed to be accessed again in the U.S. after withdrawing. And I am sure the Canadian agencies know how far they can go in advertising without causing the police to rethink the prioritization policy.

This is how the world works now. Draconian legislation that is passed but not enforced in the draconian manner that the law permits as long as everyone stays behind the “line in the sand” that was negotiated. I think some of that negotiation is now done when laws are even proposed. That is what happened in Spain. The advertising boards and message boards adopted new policies limiting explicit advertising and discussions. The proposed Nordic Model lost its support and never passed after that, fortunately.

And we have ourselves to blame sometimes. Look at Craigslist before its demise. The same school kids shopping for backpacks could click three additional buttons and see who was offering BBBJ.
 

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My recollection, although I haven’t followed them as closely as I am sure others here on Terb have, is that call into serious question the Constitutionality of c-36, but limit the decision to Ontario, therefore allowing the Canadian Supreme Court to simply decline hearing an appeal that would cause a new level of turmoil.

Both the legislature and even the courts in Canada made it clear they didn’t want full Decriminalization. So Canada ended up in a pretty good case with its Nordic model. The police in metro areas made it clear they have no interest in enforcing the law absent the lady being underaged, coerced, or a victim of violence related to the commercial sex act. The police in rural areas and certain suburbs are not so kind but are able to use the law to make it clear that fucking for money belongs in the big cities. And courts make it clear they don‘t want to hear further cases on the subject by declining to hear them or issue any meaningful rulings on them when they are forced to do so.

The U.S. has a similar situation honestly with its sweeping Fosta/Sesta legislation. There are likely lots of behind the scenes deals that are unpublicized. TER was quietly allowed to be accessed again in the U.S. after withdrawing. And I am sure the Canadian agencies know how far they can go in advertising without causing the police to rethink the prioritization policy.

This is how the world works now. Draconian legislation that is passed but not enforced in the draconian manner that the law permits as long as everyone stays behind the “line in the sand” that was negotiated. I think some of that negotiation is now done when laws are even proposed. That is what happened in Spain. The advertising boards and message boards adopted new policies limiting explicit advertising and discussions. The proposed Nordic Model lost its support and never passed after that, fortunately.

And we have ourselves to blame sometimes. Look at Craigslist before its demise. The same school kids shopping for backpacks could click three additional buttons and see who was offering BBBJ.
Thanks Patron, learned a lot from that
 

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The U.S. has a similar situation honestly with its sweeping Fosta/Sesta legislation.
which fucked up the sugar daddy market quite a bit :mad:
 

kherg007

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I always though we all are just paying for their time. Whatever else happens is between 2 consenting adults.
I mean, I bring some board games. But darn it all i'm shocked how often it seems that women apparently can't resist over the hill plain looking men.
 

southpaw

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I always though we all are just paying for their time. Whatever else happens is between 2 consenting adults.
Same here. I don't know what illegal activity the OP is referring to.
 
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It's another industry that creates jobs in the economy. Putting people in jail costs tax payer money, and increasing government debt is the wrong thing to do.
 

Mr Deeds

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How much prison time if someone is arrested and charged under Bill C-36?
None, you'll get a small fine perhaps John school (if they still have that) and if they are real pricks they will make you call home for bail. But the reality is the cops don't have the resources to go around chasing John's unless it involves trafficking or another crime like robbery.
 
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