Does anyone take testosterone?
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Oh i can chime in, as i have some experience with that:
1. There are a lot of places one can get testosterone without prescription in Canada (illegal, of course). I hope everyone here knows that testosterone is a steroid.
2. Testosterone itself is a powder, so you can find it in liquid, tablet/pill, and gel forms. The best way to take testosterone is to inject it (so liquid) as testosterone is not bioavailable.
3. While testosterone might improve erection it's not the only hormone that affects it. In fact, if i am not mistaken, scientists still don't fully understand the entire biochemical mechanism behind erection (apart from dick gets full of blood, of course). For example, the right amount of estrogen (female hormone) also required for erection.
4. From my experience, before going on testosterone, it's better to get your cardio and overall health in check.
5. If you have low testosterone, you should get on TRT (testosterone replacement therapy), as your quality of life will improve tremendously. Replacement doses are safe (talk to your doctor, though) and well studied.
6. No, you won't get buff on TRT even though you're technically taking steroids.
1. There are a lot of places one can get testosterone without prescription in Canada (illegal, of course). I hope everyone here knows that testosterone is a steroid.
2. Testosterone itself is a powder, so you can find it in liquid, tablet/pill, and gel forms. The best way to take testosterone is to inject it (so liquid) as testosterone is not bioavailable.
3. While testosterone might improve erection it's not the only hormone that affects it. In fact, if i am not mistaken, scientists still don't fully understand the entire biochemical mechanism behind erection (apart from dick gets full of blood, of course). For example, the right amount of estrogen (female hormone) also required for erection.
4. From my experience, before going on testosterone, it's better to get your cardio and overall health in check.
5. If you have low testosterone, you should get on TRT (testosterone replacement therapy), as your quality of life will improve tremendously. Replacement doses are safe (talk to your doctor, though) and well studied.
6. No, you won't get buff on TRT even though you're technically taking steroids.
I'm not on it. As I said it's a few guys I know who are on it. That's something you need to discuss with your doctor. But I can say that all of the guys do intramuscular injections. These take practice to keep the muscle relaxed when injecting otherwise the point of injection if you "tighten up" hurts like hell for a few days. That's gained experience I've had from other IM injections.
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The most you will ever do for TRT is 150mg of Testosterone-Enanthate every week or two (depends on how well you respond to treatment). Some guys use longer absorbing types of testosterone, so they do one shot every month or two months (performed by their FD).
What is the effects of low testosterone ? Will I grow breasts ? Does extra testosterone give you staying power ? Can you get it up for extremely ugly dates ? How does it differ from Viagra ?
Low energy, fatigue, muscle mass loss, brain fog, depression, anhedonia.
Unlikely on TRT but not 0%. Depends on genetics. Even if it happens, it's reversable without doing a surgery. But you need to consult with your Family Doctor, not a random guy on the forum.
You mean in bed? Not really. Physical fitness level (i.e. cardio) will have more impact.
Nah, only blindfold or a paper bag. I had few unfortunate dates and almost nothing can help.
Testosterone is a hormone, so it affect a lot of systems and chemical processes. It doesn't work instantly, and it has a limited effect on your erections (unless we talk about going from absolute 0 levels). Viagra just relaxes blood vessels making blood flow easier to your penis. For example, right now, i am taking Cialis just for gym pumps (it's actually one of the best pre-workouts), not for sex.
If you want something more natural try either smoking cigars or doing heavy squats and deadlifts at the gym.
I mean eating healthy food, working out, not drinking alcohol, not smoking, sleeping at least 8 hours per night - will help boost testosterone. However, genetics plays a huge role. Everybody is not born equal and a lot of guys have genetically low testosterone levels, even though they do everything right. Also, as we age, testosterone levels drop, so we can only slow down this process, not completely stop. So, at some point depending on the genetics it can be as early as 20 y.o. the only reliable ways to get normal testosterone levels is to get TRT prescription. Or go illegal way 
P.S. this is all based on personal experience, i am not a doctor.
P.P.S. for example, for years i struggled with severe acnes. I was told: "wash your hands, don't touch your face, take showers more often, change bed sheet more often" etc. I did all of that and nothing helped. Indeed, how would washing my face help me with the acne on my back. Genetically i was pre-disposed to have severe acnes, but my parents didn't believe in that, so i had to suffer (they didn't have any ill intentions, they were clueless and didn't really read scientific papers). So, i took my skin in my own hands (hehe), found a source of Accutane (w/o prescription), suffered the entire course and, oh miracle, no more acnes. Shows that a lot of health is genetic based and that a lot of natural ways don't work for a bad genetic - it needs radical treatment by medicine.
P.S. this is all based on personal experience, i am not a doctor.
P.P.S. for example, for years i struggled with severe acnes. I was told: "wash your hands, don't touch your face, take showers more often, change bed sheet more often" etc. I did all of that and nothing helped. Indeed, how would washing my face help me with the acne on my back. Genetically i was pre-disposed to have severe acnes, but my parents didn't believe in that, so i had to suffer (they didn't have any ill intentions, they were clueless and didn't really read scientific papers). So, i took my skin in my own hands (hehe), found a source of Accutane (w/o prescription), suffered the entire course and, oh miracle, no more acnes. Shows that a lot of health is genetic based and that a lot of natural ways don't work for a bad genetic - it needs radical treatment by medicine.
Gonna have to respectively disagree here...I know a fair amount of guys doing 200mg a week through a prescription.
Then there is one friend doing 300mg of Delatestryl every 3 weeks...I've told that is nuts because the half life is about 5 days and he's not getting the full benefits but his doctor is stuck in 20 year old protocols..So there's that. His doc has him coming in for shots too. Don't get that one either. Just do it yourself.
Got another friend doing 10mg a day sub Q...He's happy with that so is his doctor. The increase in injections with the lower the dose the lessens the effect on ones hematocrit and estradiol.
Nebido is the only long acting ester I know of that can be taken once a month or longer. To my knowledge it's not sold in Canada. I don't like testosterone undeconate but that's another story.
Cypionate and enanthate are both about the same half life wise anyways. I've read that cypionate has a smaller molecule and might absorbed better. Off course ones SHBG..Sex hormone binding globulin plays a major role in absorption.
That's fair - i have anecdotal knowledge, so can be wrong. Depends on doctors, i guess. Based on a quick search, in Canada the normal range is 8.5-29.5 units which is a huuuuge range, in my opinion. Also, different people respond differently to the same amount of drug, so some guys will see their test will shot to the max even on a small dose and some need a bigger dose.
Yeah, 300mg of Delatestryl every 3 weeks look brutal. The guy must be living on an emotional roller coaster. Mental sides can be brutal since his own test production is probably shut-down and there is no test left by the end of second week.
That's the other option. I've heard the IM supposedly allows for more/better absorption into the body vs subQ but have no idea if that's true. But subQ is less painful/uncomfortable than IM.
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Took me a while to overcome fear of injecting IM. I remember spending more than an hour in bathroom staring at the needle in my hand unable to poke it in my ass. Such a small little piece of metal such an overwhelming feeling of fear. That's what made me understand how desperate must be people who commit suicide: i didn't have a courage to poke a tiny hole in my skin to inject a substance to help my fragile body sustain itself.
So you're quoting the total testosterone ranges but we want the free testosterone levels for a more accurate diagnosis...So Lifelabs for males over 50 would be 179-475 pmol/L...There's bioavailable testosterone as well if you want to spend the money as it's not covered by OHIP.
A buddy of mine thinks these ranges are all based on averages of the dudes going to get these tests. He figures they are all low as most the people going to get these tests are there because they don't feel well and that's why their doc is sending them for bloodwork. He's on TRT and is running GH and BCP as well. He's 54 and is a walking house, lol.
Yes the late Dr. John Crisler was touting this years ago.
There was a Urologist in Hamilton that was part of the first studies at McMaster to measure the effectiveness of doing subqQ injection vs IM..The studies showed a slight increase of absorption doing subQ...Can't remember his name..A Jewish guy..I think Greenspan.
I had to look that one up, lol..The problem with over the counter supplements is that they are not standardized to any Health Canada guidelines. In other words beyond the claims on the bottle how does one know what exactly is in the product?..Or does it have the potency that is claimed?
I had a friend try Tribulus terrestris when it first came out. He first went and had labs done so he knew what his free testosterone level was. After 3 months of doing Tribulis he repeated his labs. His Free T went up by 20%. Can't recall the exact numbers. But that's fairly insignificant overall.
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I m actually long and I ve been recently experiencing the same problem. What would be the reason? You know?
Your testicles will shrink.
Not sure why you are asking to take steroids. If you want an erection use Viagra.
Not sure why you are asking to take steroids. If you want an erection use Viagra.
