Does cheap/legal prostitution change the social dynamic?

[kkelso]

I've been debating this with friends, all from the states, none of whom travel to Canada regularly.

I didn't really start to hobby until I began traveling to the great white north every month on business. I was 35. In my view sex work is basically legal & hassle-free in Canada. I also believe that you get a good deal for what you pay. Good-looking, friendly sex workers are available in major cities for a reasonable price (as compared to most western nations).

My thought is this, as a young man, say 25-35 years old, I put up with tremendous levels of shit from women just to get laid. Your basic degrading, game-playing, dating crap - same as most guys I would assume. If I had access to great sex from hot women for a decent price (as I would have if I'd lived in the GTA) would I have made better decisions? Would I have been more often willing to walk away from spending hundreds of $$ on dates in the hopes that I might get lucky, some day?

I have to believe that having this option changes the relationship dynamic, both dating and marriage. My friends say "people are people". I'm not so sure. But I did not come of age in Canada so I have no actual frame of reference.

 

[alexmst]

Having lived in a major U.S. city for years I can say the hobby is very much alive in the U.S. and the prices, while a bit higher, weren't so much so as to prevent hobbying for those accustomed to prices in Toronto. There the CL girls charged what the agency VIP girls chrage here: $250 to $300 an hour. Major city, east coast, not the crazy prices in Vegas.

That said, it is illegal in the U.S. (though it still goes on) so there are risks the outcall hobbyist doesn't have in Toronto.

Having lived in both countries for years, I don't notice much difference in negative social effect from the hobby. Guys want to get laid sometimes for fun with no strings; girls who like sex want to make high wages without commitments - a good fit. People still get married in Germany and they have mega brothels there.

Even with legal hobbying, many people want to form relationships, have kids, get married, etc. Hobbying does not replace relationships. It may cut down on cruising for casual sex with no commitments by guys who just want sex. As you say, if you don't want a relationship at the moment and want sex, it is much easier to just see an SP than go the dating route if you're just looking for sex. An SP meets a need - that being sex. If one wants a companion to spend one's life with, one dates to meet the right person to do that with.

So no, the legal hobby does not change the social fabric/dating dynamic much.

 

[einar]

At a deeper level, I simply believe Canadians as a society are cooler about sex. Paid or unpaid.

 

[Hard Idle]

Even with legal hobbying, many people want to form relationships, have kids, get married, etc. Hobbying does not replace relationships. It may cut down on cruising for casual sex with no commitments by guys who just want sex.
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It certainly does not replace relationships (for those who who want them). But it does remove the PREREQUISITE of having a a wife or GF if you want to get laid.

As the hobby becomes more accessible and destigmatized, there will be no more need to jump thorugh hoops just to score. No more need to fake interest in relationships just because it's the only reliable way to have pussy.

In the long run this can be better for everyone by allowing us to look for the right relationships without being influenced by the pressure to find a solution to your sexual urges.

There are potential PROBLEMS to look out for if you ever want to get into real relationshps again:

- Make sure you are not forgetting and losing respect for how difficult it is for many guys to get laid in real life. It's not always as easy as making a phone call and driving over whenever the whim strikes you. You can't hold this against the person.

- If you're the type of guy who can hobby with hotter women than you can generally get in real life ... be aware that your standards and expectations may be permanently raised and you might have a hard time accepting playing in your own league ... especially as your own league gets older.

- Also be aware that - as with porn - sex with Civillian women may not always live up to what you're used to. There are still lots of Civillian women who won't be up for swallwong, cumming in her mouth or on her body, anal digits, MSOG, multiple positions ect.

Also regular women have moods, cramps, headaches, fatigue, constapation and other stuff that you generally don't have to deal with as a customer.

 

[freedom3]

my experience

For someone like me, escorts are a godsend.

I suffer from a psychological disorder that prevents me from agreeing to pay a woman's bills for the rest of her life. Because of this disorder, most of my relationships only last from six months to a year (when the topic of marriage suddenly comes up in every discussion).

However, thanks to escorts, I am able to have a fulfilling sex life. Praise the lord.

 

[alexmst]

It certainly does not replace relationships (for those who who want them). But it does remove the PREREQUISITE of having a a wife or GF if you want to get laid.

As the hobby becomes more accessible and destigmatized, there will be no more need to jump thorugh hoops just to score. No more need to fake interest in relationships just because it's the only reliable way to have pussy.

In the long run this can be better for everyone by allowing us to look for the right relationships without being influenced by the pressure to find a solution to your sexual urges.

There are potential PROBLEMS to look out for if you ever want to get into real relationshps again:

- Make sure you are not forgetting and losing respect for how difficult it is for many guys to get laid in real life. It's not always as easy as making a phone call and driving over whenever the whim strikes you. You can't hold this against the person.

- If you're the type of guy who can hobby with hotter women than you can generally get in real life ... be aware that your standards and expectations may be permanently raised and you might have a hard time accepting playing in your own league ... especially as your own league gets older.

- Also be aware that - as with porn - sex with Civillian women may not always live up to what you're used to. There are still lots of Civillian women who won't be up for swallwong, cumming in her mouth or on her body, anal digits, MSOG, multiple positions ect.

Also regular women have moods, cramps, headaches, fatigue, constapation and other stuff that you generally don't have to deal with as a customer.

Good points.

Yes, the expectations permanently raised part I understand. I chat up, have coffee with and casually date several civilian girls in the age range of the SP's I see, but always I am hestitant to go any further as they are not in the same physical league as the SP's I see (since I am fussy about which SP's I see). Just last week I met a girl at a used book shop who personalty wise was nice, seemed open to dating (we went for a 2 hour coffee), was a good conversationalist, was 23...however she was 36A-33-38 with a bit of flab and cellulite and I didn't pursue it. She would have been good as a friend, but she was looking for more and compared to my regular SPs she didn't physically measure up. I see SP's that are in the 18-23 age range 32B-24-34 or 34C-25-34 and very toned with nice skin. So one can get spoiled if one is a fusspot when it comes to seeing only top SPs as opposed to average SPs and then going back to civilian life. The other types I meet are my age but good for that age (as am I) in body. These civilians usually talk about hot they looked when they were 22 (and have the photos to prove it!) and for early middle age they look damn good now, have taken care of themselves and not gone to pot. They could have been top SP's in their prime body wise, however they are twice the age of the SPs I see now.

As for the headaches, periods, moods, cramps, etc I still get that with my regular SPs now as well as with civilian girls of old so that part doesn't bother me.

 

[WhaWhaWha]

Weird as it may sound, I have only ever 'dated' for romance. Never invested in a date in the hopes of getting lucky. All the casual encounters I had were up front. She wanted it, so did I. Or I wanted it and she wanted money so I paid. I'll never understand the dynamic of game playing to try and lure someone into sex. Girls like sex. Or money.

 

[winstar]

For someone like me, escorts are a godsend.

I suffer from a psychological disorder that prevents me from agreeing to pay a woman's bills for the rest of her life. Because of this disorder, most of my relationships only last from six months to a year (when the topic of marriage suddenly comes up in every discussion).

However, thanks to escorts, I am able to have a fulfilling sex life. Praise the lord.

Lol! Nice.
Me too.

Yeah it changes the dynamic, but its a good thing. It takes the bullshit out of getting laid. And it protects men from serious psychological and financial harm. It's too bad the women in Toronto are so fucked up, otherwise I'd consider investing more into them, but they mistakenly believe that they can treat men any way they want without regard to their feelings or consequences. It isn't until they hit about 30 that they see what their actions when they were younger have caused and they dramatically start to smarten up - only their asses are so large and tits are like slinkys. Why would I want that? Unless women can offer more there is no reason for me to look back.

I see a new social revolution between men and women developing. Men are tired of their shit, and are becoming more vocal about their feelings. Women will eventually have to take them into consideration. I just don't want to wait another 30 years for that to occur. Sad, but women just simply don't get it yet.

 

[Meister]

Say what you want, but sex with a civilian girl who is in to you (and not your money) is awesome. It beats paid sex any day.

 

[nolabel]

I suffer from a psychological disorder that prevents me from agreeing to pay a woman's bills for the rest of her life.

Do you think it's genetic, or environmentally determined? I believe I suffer from the same disorder, but mine was acquired from direct social/environmental experience. Kind of like developoing an allergy.

 

[Bear669]

Good for you (but just you)

Say what you want, but sex with a civilian girl who is in to you (and not your money) is awesome. It beats paid sex any day.

Totally disagree. I HAVE had a lot of great sex with lovers, swingers and fuck buddies.

But with rare exceptions, SP sex matches or wins, by far.