They were already safe in Turkey. He risked their lives for a free dental plan in Germany.
Drowned Syrian boy's father says he blames Canada for tragedy
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We should have a pole and everybody could vote on which version of the story they feel tugs on the heart strings the greatest. The winning entry could be submitted for a literary award of some type.
If anyone watched the National yesterday, they had a story about the smuggling ring on Greece/lesbos. People would scavenge boat engines off of successful boats and resell them to smugglers - and a lot of them are Greek! Every country has bad people I guess. In the same story, it was noted that the smugglers do not operate the boats. One Greek sailor guy who helps steer or rescue refugees complained that the smugglers just pack people on to the boat and point them in the direction of Lesbos. Obviously there is no training. Might explain why the father was steering the boat...but you would only know this if you actually are following the stories in detail and not just skimming headlines.
Guy's in pain, I'd give him a break. Heck, I'm more mad at my fellow Canadians sometimes for their attitudes towards our country and other Canadians.
Guy's in pain, I'd give him a break. Heck, I'm more mad at my fellow Canadians sometimes for their attitudes towards our country and other Canadians.
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They weren't in Syria. They were in Turkey. While the situation obviously isn't great for the Syrian refugees there, it would not appear that they were in any imminent danger from the war.
Prove I'm wrong.
I agree with you on many things here on terb, but this time you are wrong. There will be more to the story as it unfolds
As I said, prove me wrong.
Don't take his bait..he trolls people that have a different POV and only thinks his way is right. Don't feed the troll.
Fuji says a lot of shit.But fuji said they were trying to reach Canada.
He talks about every issue he can, an acts like he's an expert, he's not.
But as someone mentioned, what would you expect from a guy that lives in the basement of his parent's house?
Could turn out the father is smuggler.
Aylan Kurdi's father is a people smuggler, woman claims
A woman who was on the boat carrying drowned Syrian toddler Aylan Kurdi has accused his father of being a people smuggler.
Channel Ten reported Zainab Abbas, who lost two children in the tragedy, claims Abdullah Kurdi was at the helm of the boat when it sunk off the Turkish coast.
"He was a smuggler, yes. He was the one that was driving the boat," the woman told Ten over Skype from Iraq through a translator.
Ms Abbas claims Mr Kurdi was speeding before the boat capsized and pleaded with her while they were still both in the water, "please don't dob me in".
The Wall Street Journal said Mr Kurdi had denied Ms Abbas' claim, saying the boat's Turkish captain jumped into the water shortly after the engine stalled.
"I lost my family, I lost my life, I lost everything, so let them say whatever they want," he told the newspaper.
Ms Abbas claimed she met Mr Kurdi and another man in a cafe and handed over $US10,000 to get them to Europe.
"[The other man] told me, 'You have to give me the money and when you get safely to Bodrum, the island, you call me and tell me that you arrived safely'," she said.
Ms Abbas said he told her the boat was safe to make the perilous journey.
"He said, 'Don't worry, the captain of the boat, the driver, is going to bring his two kids and his wife'," she said.
Ms Abbas said there were too many people in the boat and not enough life jackets when it capsized.
Her husband had asked Mr Kurdi to slow down, but he didn't listen, she said.
Crying, Ms Abbas said she and her husband and daughter held on to a life jacket but her other two children, a boy and girl, were lost.
"I was screaming, calling out for them, but there wasn't anyone replying," she said.
"They were my life, I have no life now. Right now I can't believe they are gone."
Ms Abbas said she heard Mr Kurdi claim in the media that a Turkish man had driven the boat, but that this was not the case.
"I've lost my kids, I've lost my life, how can he lie to the media?"
Ms Abbas is calling on Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott grant her family asylum so they can escape Islamic State.
"I beg the Australian government to do something for me," she said.
Mr Kurdi has repeatedly spoken publicly about his ordeal, telling reporters that somewhere between Turkey and Greece, their boat started filling with water.
He said the boat's captain panicked due to the high waves, jumped into the sea and fled, leaving him in control of the small craft, the NZ Herald reported.
"I took over and started steering," he said. "The waves were so high and the boat flipped."
Mr Kurdi told Turkey's Dogan News Agency his children "slipped from my hands".
"We tried to hold on to the boat, but it deflated rapidly. Everyone was screaming. I could not hear the voices of my children and my wife."
Mr Kurdi said he swam to the beach, following the lights on the shore.
He looked for his wife and children and could not find them, he said.
Last Thursday, Mr Kurdi collapsed in tears after emerging from a morgue in the city of Mugla near Bodrum in Turkey.
"The things that happened to us here, in the country where we took refuge to escape war in our homeland, we want the whole world to see this," he said.
Mr Kurdi has now returned to Syria and the ruins of the city of Kobani; the home he and his family had fled.
His wife and sons were buried in Kobani on Friday.
Ms Abbas' cousin by marriage, Lara Tahseen, told Fairfax Media the family was angry at their treatment by Turkish authorities compared to Mr Kurdi's.
"All the media attention was on Aylan Kurdi and Abdullah Kurdi and not on them," she said.
Ms Tahseen said when Ms Abbas and her husband Ahmed Hadi returned in Baghdad, they found their dead children's bodies had not been correctly prepared for burial.
She said this was done despite the family waiting in Turkey for eight days to do paperwork to receive the bodies.
Ms Tehseen said Ms Abbas was "heartbroken".
"Their daughter has been left in shock after what she saw happen in the sea to her brother and sister," she said. "She can't talk."
Meanwhile, the family has been left with no house and income after they sold everything to flee to Europe.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/migrant...le-smuggler-woman-claims-20150911-gjkt2m.html
Aylan Kurdi's father is a people smuggler, woman claims
A woman who was on the boat carrying drowned Syrian toddler Aylan Kurdi has accused his father of being a people smuggler.
Channel Ten reported Zainab Abbas, who lost two children in the tragedy, claims Abdullah Kurdi was at the helm of the boat when it sunk off the Turkish coast.
"He was a smuggler, yes. He was the one that was driving the boat," the woman told Ten over Skype from Iraq through a translator.
Ms Abbas claims Mr Kurdi was speeding before the boat capsized and pleaded with her while they were still both in the water, "please don't dob me in".
The Wall Street Journal said Mr Kurdi had denied Ms Abbas' claim, saying the boat's Turkish captain jumped into the water shortly after the engine stalled.
"I lost my family, I lost my life, I lost everything, so let them say whatever they want," he told the newspaper.
Ms Abbas claimed she met Mr Kurdi and another man in a cafe and handed over $US10,000 to get them to Europe.
"[The other man] told me, 'You have to give me the money and when you get safely to Bodrum, the island, you call me and tell me that you arrived safely'," she said.
Ms Abbas said he told her the boat was safe to make the perilous journey.
"He said, 'Don't worry, the captain of the boat, the driver, is going to bring his two kids and his wife'," she said.
Ms Abbas said there were too many people in the boat and not enough life jackets when it capsized.
Her husband had asked Mr Kurdi to slow down, but he didn't listen, she said.
Crying, Ms Abbas said she and her husband and daughter held on to a life jacket but her other two children, a boy and girl, were lost.
"I was screaming, calling out for them, but there wasn't anyone replying," she said.
"They were my life, I have no life now. Right now I can't believe they are gone."
Ms Abbas said she heard Mr Kurdi claim in the media that a Turkish man had driven the boat, but that this was not the case.
"I've lost my kids, I've lost my life, how can he lie to the media?"
Ms Abbas is calling on Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott grant her family asylum so they can escape Islamic State.
"I beg the Australian government to do something for me," she said.
Mr Kurdi has repeatedly spoken publicly about his ordeal, telling reporters that somewhere between Turkey and Greece, their boat started filling with water.
He said the boat's captain panicked due to the high waves, jumped into the sea and fled, leaving him in control of the small craft, the NZ Herald reported.
"I took over and started steering," he said. "The waves were so high and the boat flipped."
Mr Kurdi told Turkey's Dogan News Agency his children "slipped from my hands".
"We tried to hold on to the boat, but it deflated rapidly. Everyone was screaming. I could not hear the voices of my children and my wife."
Mr Kurdi said he swam to the beach, following the lights on the shore.
He looked for his wife and children and could not find them, he said.
Last Thursday, Mr Kurdi collapsed in tears after emerging from a morgue in the city of Mugla near Bodrum in Turkey.
"The things that happened to us here, in the country where we took refuge to escape war in our homeland, we want the whole world to see this," he said.
Mr Kurdi has now returned to Syria and the ruins of the city of Kobani; the home he and his family had fled.
His wife and sons were buried in Kobani on Friday.
Ms Abbas' cousin by marriage, Lara Tahseen, told Fairfax Media the family was angry at their treatment by Turkish authorities compared to Mr Kurdi's.
"All the media attention was on Aylan Kurdi and Abdullah Kurdi and not on them," she said.
Ms Tahseen said when Ms Abbas and her husband Ahmed Hadi returned in Baghdad, they found their dead children's bodies had not been correctly prepared for burial.
She said this was done despite the family waiting in Turkey for eight days to do paperwork to receive the bodies.
Ms Tehseen said Ms Abbas was "heartbroken".
"Their daughter has been left in shock after what she saw happen in the sea to her brother and sister," she said. "She can't talk."
Meanwhile, the family has been left with no house and income after they sold everything to flee to Europe.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/migrant...le-smuggler-woman-claims-20150911-gjkt2m.html
Talking smack and then asking to be proved wrong is a sure sign that you are on shaky ground.
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/bri...rdi-not-people-smuggler-family-says-1.3224794
not the point. He blamed a 'captain' who abandoned ship.
in fact he was driving the <20 ft dinghy in large swells. It's HIS FAULT
He had barely left shore when he swamped it. That's how he was able to swim to shore.
Ironically enough the person complaining IS A HUMAN SMUGGLER who is being blamed for lots of deaths
Too bad the media left that part out of the first sob story
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/w...nd-captained-boat-that-capsized-survivor-says
You have some bizarre troll bait on this board but trying to decide who are the "good guys" in a civil war is just too dam funny
The thing with conflicts like this is both sides are evil, Canada should not accept any of these people as refugees, and you trying to sound like you have any idea what is happening is funny
You are more and more crazy as years go by. Believe what you want believe (nobody really cares) but, for Gods sake, shut up for once in your life.
I don't think he lives in the basement. My gut feeling tells me a professional position, like MD or something similar. The power position he holds is definitely messing with his head, and making him believe that his way is the only way, and is above everybody else. Besides aren't most of us on terb with master degrees and/or doctors degrees trolling in our own little way. I don't mind debating a point or holding an extreme view as long as it is respectful to others in this community and our Country.
Getting back to the topic, it is quite clear that this deuche bag dad who smuggled and endangered people is a criminal, with a poisoned mind and should not be allowed in Canada. They need to weed out people like him.
Also for the record I believe those men and able people to fight fleeing Siriya are fucking cowards. They need to stand for their country and fight until death and do what it takes to weed out the corrupted, and protect the innocent. I came from war. I experience being bombed while hiding in the basement as a kid, I heard snipers and gunshots outside my house. My father escaped war to Canada through the proper process and through proper application. I still to this day do not agree with what he did, he should have fought, but I will never make his mistake. Canada is my country now, my wife and kids are born here, I lived most of my life here, I am a citizen I would fight for Canada until my death, if it ever came to that or if I got called to defend.
I hope others can respect all the people who fought for our freedoms for Canada to be the best country in the world and prevent people with a poisonous, and/or criminal and/or terrorist mind or potential to come here, or do everything possible to try and limit this. If this dad has the ability to endanger his own children lives like that, imagine how much damage he has the potential to cause in a country like Canada or Germany etc ....
Protect Canada from the poison, and have a proper procedure in place to weed out the ones who should not be here. I am not against the refugees coming here, but we can't blindly accept them without protecting our own. My in laws needed to go through stringent interview process back in their own country and here in Canada before being allowed. Let's not undermine this process for politics and endanger our own.
No way
At best middle management but due to the nearly insane ramblings I am thinking some kind of supervisory role
Has decent cash but no skills to back it up
A fool and his money will always part
More holes: Iraqi mother who lost her children in Aylan Kurdi boat accuses father of ‘people smuggling’
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.co...urdi-boat-accuses-father-of-people-smuggling/
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.co...urdi-boat-accuses-father-of-people-smuggling/
A classic case of high risk, high reward.
The normal process of immigration is to fill out paperwork and be patient. Wait for that government to get back toy you and if everything works out, you get a call and meet them in person. If all goes well, ,you get to go a few years later.
For western countries, there's 1,000s and 1,000s..... perhaps even millions(?) who go through the process and wait years for a reply. And that's for people I know who are already here and trying to get family over. There's already a connection with a local resident, but the process can still take ages.
For desperate people trying to hop the line and hope (assume) the new country's government will be lax and let them stay with social assistance because they smuggled themselves over, that's their choice. If you survive the boat trip or container ship, and roll the dice the governemnt let's you stay then more power to you. But if you get denied by border guards or family members die along the way, too bad. You took the risk and lacking courtesy.... trying to hop the line.... so you got to live with the results.
The normal process of immigration is to fill out paperwork and be patient. Wait for that government to get back toy you and if everything works out, you get a call and meet them in person. If all goes well, ,you get to go a few years later.
For western countries, there's 1,000s and 1,000s..... perhaps even millions(?) who go through the process and wait years for a reply. And that's for people I know who are already here and trying to get family over. There's already a connection with a local resident, but the process can still take ages.
For desperate people trying to hop the line and hope (assume) the new country's government will be lax and let them stay with social assistance because they smuggled themselves over, that's their choice. If you survive the boat trip or container ship, and roll the dice the governemnt let's you stay then more power to you. But if you get denied by border guards or family members die along the way, too bad. You took the risk and lacking courtesy.... trying to hop the line.... so you got to live with the results.
