Drug pushers pushing on SP's

[Wizard Merlin]

Well said, and may I add that you're stunning!

+1

May I add, that some of the young inexperienced SP's could find it either exciting to try out coke for the first time, or better yet, if the Sp isn't into her client what a better way to get high and not be so grossed out by him as much.

One particular Sp told me of this happening a lot with outcalls. Especially on weekend sessions.

It's really sad, cause the Sp hooked on heavy drugs will have nothing to show for all her hard work down the road. In addition to the fact that she will need some serious rehab to clean herself up.

 

[Brill]

Some ladies will start this work with an inner strength and from a position of power (the freedom to say no, the money to walk away) but many, many ladies don't. Age is a factor but social and economic status also come into play, if you are 18, no job, no money in the bank and sent to a 40 year old mans house to have sex with him in order to pay your rent it's not going to be easy to say to him "No thanks, I only fuck" when he offers you drugs. You know it's likely the end of your date and you may really need that money, there is also the possibility he'll complain to the agency or write a bad review which may cost you future money as well, and of course there is the odd guy that threatens violence or is so paranoid they will try to stop you from leaving. These are not simple decisions and low risk activities, for a lady that is in a tough situation or is unsure of her future. It's not easy to find your legs, to know how to say no to a person in a position of power and to do so in the least offensive way possible, to expect a lady to do that when she is fresh out of school and with little life experience is ridiculous, everyone struggles with saying no to their boss or clients and it takes practice to get it right.

I've been yelled at, insulted and threatened by clients that I was not willing to indulge when they offered me something, I've also had clients call agencies to complain when I told them I wasn't staying. I've also had the reverse happen where I've been on an outcall or an incall with another lady that was high, drunk or somehow incapacitated, and I've had agencies send me on dates where the previous lady was high, drunk or made the client uncomfortable because of a related issue. I've dealt with agencies that supported me in my choices and ones that didn't. I've also worked in offices where a good number of the employees were battling drug or alcohol addiction so it's not something limited to this industry.
I think it's important to keep in mind who you are dealing with and why they are there. If you are in a position of power over the person then be aware of it and respectful of your position just as you would like those you deal with each day to do for you.

Very good points, Kyra.
It's also a reason we shouldn't automatically offer wine to a woman we invite over. First offer water or juice - then perhaps say wine is available. This takes off subtle pressure for her to join you in drinking, she probably gets this from a couple of clients and it's good for her to be fully alert if she chooses to be.

 

[Ladyraven]

I have a rule. I never drink with a client. nothing that could make my mind fluffy..

 

[scarlet6969]

i don't drink or do any drugs with clients... can get into bad situations that way

 

[kono]

this post was merely to bring awareness. I would hope that this post gets the ettention of some of the newer girls out there. Getting opinions/experiecnes from all angels would be good for someone starting out.

I don't know if agency talked to their girls about this issue or not? Personlly it could hurt. I mean, the last thing an agency wants it bad reviews. So it's a vested interest for both. We all know that this isn't exactly new news but I just wanted to bring it back to light.

Kyra, thank you for your personal experiences. If we had more women like you and Miss Raven we would have anything to talk about here.

 

[sleazure]

That only makes sense if you buy into the "whore as victim" paradigm.

Might be a fun fantasy if you're into that kind of thing, otherwise it's pure paternalism.

Support sex without guilt! Just say no to clichés.

 

[fuji]

That only makes sense if you buy into the "whore as victim" paradigm.

Let's get passed that on both sides, and just deal with SP's as women. More to the point, in some cases, fairly young and inexperienced women.

Recognizing that they are going to come under some pressure to to drugs with clients does not mean you think they're a victim. I think the question, rather, should be what should the industry collectively do to enable them to avoid or resist that, while providing a safe and valuable service, and earning a good living?

From a legal perspective this should probably be brought up in the context of that constitutional challenge: I don't think this is nearly so common in INCALL situations. It's when the SP is invited to a "party" with the client that it is most likely to arise. It's because she's thrown into an environment under the client's control, with the expectation that she fit into it, and make it fun, that it becomes a huge social pressure for her to engage in hard drugs.

Sure it can happen in an incall, but an SP is likely to be able to set the mood there more effectively, in a way that makes it easier to say no.

 

[wet_suit_one]

You have a strong mind and willpower.

Does that mean that it is Open Season on the weak and vulnerable?

The fact that young girls are so easily manipulated by appeals to look cool etc is a well known tactic of predators.

What about credit cards? Look where that gets people...

 

[desert monk]

I couldnt agree with you more. I know we in a different world but it sure as hell doesn't make it okay to "push" drugs ontp anyone for that matter.

To the people who seem to be okay with this let me ask you a question.
Let say you had a daughter who was "pushed"(Friends, Dealer etc..) into taking heroin. How would you feel then? I'm sure your opinions would change?

Most people who get started on this garbage are vulnerable people, messed up young kids, etc. Addiction is a disease.

 

[afterhours]

ALL drugs used for recreation, including weed and alcohol have big potential downsides that really can't be balanced against the temporary escape they provide.

temporary escape? life is temporary, in case you haven't noticed
it's not like you can abstain from drugs and live forever in a beautiful world that makes sense

I don't know what do you mean by balance but most certainly the human experience shows that we NEED to alter our minds, either because our existence is meaningless (if you are a philosopher) or whatever

not to get high is like not to fuck - it's the stupidest thing you can do on this planet
what do you have left? watching hockey?

 

[Serendipity]

Interesting thread......but somehow I can't help but to laugh at the "Bible Thumper / Holier Than Thou" attitude and vibe it represents or Pot calling the kettle black if you will.

Reality check......we are all on a board sharing experiences with eachother about SP's sessions. Whether your hiding it from your wife, girlfriend, family, friends, co-workers - we are all scum in their eyes if any of them knew the truth.

In my view, drugs / playing with SP's are equally just as bad as the million's of other poor things or choices one could make on a daily basis.

Personal choice and free will.

God gave it to us all.

 

[fuji]

IIn my view, drugs / playing with SP's are equally just as bad as the million's of other poor things or choices one could make on a daily basis.

Depends what you mean by "drugs". I think you mean pot millions of Canadians will agree with you that it's really not a big deal.

If you mean coke, crack, oxy, etc., the highly addictive stuff that really really fucks up your life, well I don't think you'll find many who agree, other than people who are already making a train wreck out of their lives and still in denial about it.

 

[Serendipity]

Depends what you mean by "drugs". I think you mean pot millions of Canadians will agree with you that it's really not a big deal.

Your missing the point which is we ALL HAVE FREE WILL AND CHOICE.

People choose to play with SP's or choose not to.
People choose to abuse alcohol or choose not to.
People choose to abuse drugs or choose not to.
People accept offers or choose not too.

I am simply trying to point out that whether someone choose's to accept or decline something has nothing to do with me or anyone else for that matter. It is their choice and their choice alone.

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! What ever happened to it anyway? Where did it go?

We are all as bad as the alcoholic, the drug addict or the theif in the eyes of the people that love and respect us if they knew the truth about the world we play in. If you think I'm wrong feel free to come clean and see where that gets you! Go ahead, tell your wife, kids and co-workers. I bet no one will be compared to a hero or a saint anytime soon.

 

[fuji]

I am simply trying to point out that whether someone choose's to accept or decline something has nothing to do with me or anyone else for that matter

If you go around pushing, cajoling, enticing, threatening, manipulating, people into doing hard drugs then yes you do have something to do with it.

Sure they ALSO share some of the blame, but so do you.

Stepping back in a social policy sense it defies common sense to pretend that in a net sense younger SPs who are new to the business are not susceptible to this sort of manipulation. Common sense should tell you that they are.

Your view is something like saying you don't mind if your kids join a gang, hang out with drug dealers, and such, because you believe those people will have no influence on your children at all, and your children will make good choices. You know what? People are in fact influenced by those around them, we're social creatures, it's common sense.

 

[Serendipity]

Sorry MountFuji - I guess we agree to disagree. I share no blame or have any responsbility for what a stranger does or does not do or choose to judge any of them.

The pot (everyone who chooses to play with SP's -me included!!) does not have the right to pass judgement on the kettle (alcoholics, drug users, theifs, etc.) but it keeps calling it black! We are all scum - no better nor worse but you keep dening it???

 

[Serendipity]

Stepping back in a social policy sense it defies common sense to pretend that in a net sense younger SPs who are new to the business are not susceptible to this sort of manipulation. Common sense should tell you that they are.

They are as equally susceptible to accepting a job that pays well and allows them to experience the company of much older men whom younger SPs would most likely never look twice at. They are new to the business and like the money. Are they not susceptible to this sort of manipulation by older rich men?

Nice Tennis match Fuji. You had some challenging volleys.....Good try but it's time to call Game, set, match. I win bother. I win because your insane if you think it's our god given right to play in the world we play in. Just relax and enjoy it.

 

[miles@divas]

I am a SP.. I am a human being with a mind of my own.. so are these other Sp's and MP's . if someone trys to push anything on me. wether it be drugs ,bbfs or fucking olives( i hate them). I tell them where to go and how to get there .. its called using your brain. these girls have the option to say NO.. they choose not to say no so they can look cool or some bullshit.

Thank you. Thats my point, they are acting like someone held her down a jabbed a crack pipe in her mouth. JUST SAY NO.

 

[miles@divas]

Exactly. Women are not delicate little things needing constant male protection.

They can make their own decisions and accept the responsibilities and consequences of their choices and actions.

Co sign.

 

[fuji]

They are as equally susceptible to accepting a job that pays well and allows them to experience the company of much older men whom younger SPs would most likely never look twice at. They are new to the business and like the money. Are they not susceptible to this sort of manipulation by older rich men?

Your claim was that "you" had nothing to do with another person's choice to do hard drugs. If "you" are pressuring them, threatening them, arm twisting, begging, pleading, cajoling, and they are young and in a potentially vulnerable position then sorry but YOU also have some personal responsibility there that you can't simply shrug off.

Common sense. Hello.

 

[miles@divas]

You have a strong mind and willpower.

Does that mean that it is Open Season on the weak and vulnerable?

The fact that young girls are so easily manipulated by appeals to look cool etc is a well known tactic of predators.

The weak and vunerable shouldn't be in this industry...this is for the head strong. We you visit an SP do you take into consideration if she was mentally stong enough to withstand this industry and if she will have negative long term effects? no you climb on and get you moneys worth.