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[Gentle Ben]

Actually many US boards are member supported, not advertiser supported.
It's doable. And if you take your ad $$$ away I could always organize a TERB member strike in retaliation - get all our thousands of members to abstain from the hobby for one month:

Then the mods could go on strike too?

 

[Fred Zed]

Hey, come on Fred, I was just playing "Devils Advocate"

That..plus the prospect of a prolonged TERB member strike scared you so you are backtracking.

 

[MartiniGirls]

That..plus the prospect of a prolonged TERB member strike scared you so you are backtracking.

Come on Fred, get off your high horse, yes there are a lot of TERB members, and they are all great people, but unless the SP is TRUE GFE, then from the ones I have spoke to, and ourselfs, just a very small % of their business comes from here.

 

[HappyHookers]

Actually many US boards are member supported, not advertiser supported.
It's doable. And if you take your ad $$$ away I could always organize a TERB member strike in retaliation - get all our thousands of members to abstain from the hobby for one month.

First Fred you don't have that much power. I am sorry to tell you and if you think that we get all business from TERB you are mistaken. It would hurt TERB more if every lady left with their ad$$ then if you tried to organize a hobbying strike against all of us. Even if for only a month. I know many woemn who could keep away from TERB and paying Ad fees for longer then a month. All the thousands of men could not stop hobbying for a month, or longer to make the girls come crawling back with their ad $$ in hand for you.

Second, you make this a paid site and other TO based board would get all if not most of your traffic. It is as simple as that.

Now I know some comments here may have pissed you off, and I can understand, but don't kid yourself. You own TERB, you are not GOD.

HH

 

[C Dick]

I wonder how much real power Terb has? As some posters have pointed out, because the whole hobby is somewhat underground, it is hard to really determine if a given piece of business had a Terb connection or not. If Fred could prove that Terb was influential like that, it would enhance the power of the board. The first problem might be that if Fred said to boycott a given provider, a lot of members might go there on purpose to spite him. It would take an issue that would unite the members, and I am not sure that SPs calling each other names is such an issue.

 

[baci2004]

First Fred you don't have that much power. I am sorry to tell you and if you think that we get all business from TERB you are mistaken. It would hurt TERB more if every lady left with their ad$$ then if you tried to organize a hobbying strike against all of us. Even if for only a month. I know many woemn who could keep away from TERB and paying Ad fees for longer then a month. All the thousands of men could not stop hobbying for a month, or longer to make the girls come crawling back with their ad $$ in hand for you.

Second, you make this a paid site and other TO based board would get all if not most of your traffic. It is as simple as that.

Now I know some comments here may have pissed you off, and I can understand, but don't kid yourself. You own TERB, you are not GOD.

HH

He was joking.....sheesh!

 

[smush]

Actually many US boards are member supported, not advertiser supported.
It's doable. And if you take your ad $$$ away I could always organize a TERB member strike in retaliation - get all our thousands of members to abstain from the hobby for one month.

if no one has said it yet i will. there is no way that the bosses here could organize a strike of any sort unless it was by the workers here and they were forced into it. no way . no how.

 

[HappyHookers]

He was joking.....sheesh!

are you sure about that????

HH

 

[GirlFriends Toronto]

where's Romeo ...

I think you misunderstand the situation.

There are no "Bosses" here. Fred runs his board, not the lives of the hobbiests. There are no "workers" here.

Fred was being "tongue in cheek".

Further, Fred is very aware that TERB does not represent a significant per centage of the active hobbiests in the GTA. But he and the advertisers are aware that this board has a significant number of hobbiests that a) hobby on a more or less regular basis b) tend to have disposable income that is significantly above that of the average Sun reader c) don't want to spend their time/money on some streetwalker of unknown service level.

Could Fred organise a "John Strike"?? No more than he could herd 10,000 cats. Was he aware of that when he posted? daaaaa

I think we should all strike TERB members on April 31st 2005

who's with me?




Amber

 

[smush]

I think you misunderstand the situation.

There are no "Bosses" here. Fred runs his board, not the lives of the hobbiests. There are no "workers" here.

my mistake..... if fred rund the board, then he is infact the BOSS.

if he has some moderators then they are infact the WORKERS.

i didnt think i misunderstood that part.

 

[Svend]

April 31st, that's funny!

I promise not to cross the pickets.

 

[Don]

are you sure about that????

HH

Anyone who has been a member of TERB (and its previous reincarnations) would clue in that Fred was goofing around. Even those who who haven't be around the boards that long but looked at the tone Fred had in his post would pick up the attempt at humor.

People.. please! Relax!

public message boards are not for the thin skinned.

 

[HappyHookers]

Anyone who has been a member of TERB (and its previous reincarnations) would clue in that Fred was goofing around. Even those who who haven't be around the boards that long but looked at the tone Fred had in his post would pick up the attempt at humor.

People.. please! Relax!

public message boards are not for the thin skinned.

He could have been playing devils advocate????

Why is it that if Fred does it, we need to all relax, but a lady did it and people jump????

I know he is not serious, but point it he made apost as if he was God, and he is not. That is all I was saying. Neither side can bring down the other.

HH

 

[MartiniGirls]

I wonder how much real power Terb has? As some posters have pointed out, because the whole hobby is somewhat underground, it is hard to really determine if a given piece of business had a Terb connection or not. If Fred could prove that Terb was influential like that, it would enhance the power of the board. The first problem might be that if Fred said to boycott a given provider, a lot of members might go there on purpose to spite him. It would take an issue that would unite the members, and I am not sure that SPs calling each other names is such an issue.

Your right CD, especially when no one was calling each other names to begin with, I simply made a statement on another posts describing an undesirable group of women as being undesirable, without naming any names of course. Then the main women of a group, actually the whole group consisted of her, ousted herself. My original that started all this was saying that I think TERB members are great for sticking by a recently banned members side, because you see members do that regularly for SP's, but its nice to see them do it for a fellow hobbyist too.

I believe that TERB is very powerful for SP’s who offer everything that TERB members like, bbbj etc.. I bet they could make a great living just off TERB alone, and power to them. But in my case, because we don’t offer that we don’t get much business from TERB to the best of my knowledge. Our business is 95% business travelers from the US who are thrilled that an SP is giving FS to begin with, they don’t even ask for bbbj. They are not “regular” clients as they may only come to Toronto once or twice a year, but this market provide more then enough business for my little start-up agency which only has two full time and two indy’s that part time with me.

Please Mods, leave this post so that a little background can be shown. Fred is beging extra fair by leaving posts that are questioning him on this thread, but I dont think there is anything bad anyone can say about Fred, he has a great board, just needs to know its not the be all and end all.

 

[Don]

He could have been playing devils advocate????

Why is it that if Fred does it, we need to all relax, but a lady did it and people jump????

I know he is not serious, but point it he made apost as if he was God, and he is not. That is all I was saying. Neither side can bring down the other.

HH

First off...
Again... take it easy...

Second:
It's not the fact that it was Fred who said it but in the manner he said it. It was clearly in jest via the tone and the smiles at the end. Doesn't matter if it is Fred or a lady or whoever. Most ladies here post with the same style of humor and wise-ass-ness as the rest of us and it's all good.

But some posters seem to always post with a lot of emotion or seem to take things too seriously. It is to those people I say... relax. And there are many gents on this board (MartiniGirls seemed to take Fred seriously) who are like that in addition to a few ladies.

HH, the fact that you admitted you knew Fred was not serious and then unloaded on him as if he was, is an example of taking it too personally or seriously. I don't read evey post on TERB but it seems good amount of your reply posts are very reactionary, condesending, and tinted with anger.

 

[HappyHookers]

First off...
Again... take it easy...

Second:
It's not the fact that it was Fred who said it but in the manner he said it. It was clearly in jest via the tone and the smiles at the end. Doesn't matter if it is Fred or a lady or whoever. Most ladies here post with the same style of humor and wise-ass-ness as the rest of us and it's all good.

But some posters seem to always post with a lot of emotion or seem to take things too seriously. It is to those people I say... relax. And there are many gents on this board who are like that in addition to a few ladies.

HH, the fact that you admitted you knew Fred was not serious and then unloaded on him as if he was, is an example of taking it too personally or seriously. I don't read evey post on TERB but it seems good amount of your reply posts are very reactionary, condesending, and tinted with anger.

Buddy, take your own advice. Seriously!

I am not mad, I was not unloading on Fred, I stated an opinion. For someone who is saying we all need to relax, I think you do.

Do you see me coming down on you for your opinion about my posts???? I think not. Why would I?

It is sunday, do for a drive and relax!

HH

BTW, I can't say if Fred was or was not being serious. I think for the most part he was just coming back with what was said in the same manner, so please don't words or feelings into my mouth

 

[bondjamesbondto]

Actually many US boards are member supported, not advertiser supported.
It's doable. And if you take your ad $$$ away I could always organize a TERB member strike in retaliation - get all our thousands of members to abstain from the hobby for one month.

I guess the issue at hand here is how much control the advertisers exert.
There are many who mutter under their breath that they know of someone who has been banned because they posted too many negative reviews. I have recent a few PM's about this. Now obviously the other side is that those people were banned for other reasons (not going to mention the Captains name).

I CAN see the advertisers side though. If they are contributing lots of $$$ and they are getting negative reviews they are going to say wtf am I doing that for. RIGHT? And then board loses revenue... RIGHT? It is not a hard leap to see that constant negative posters maybe deleted or banned. I mean this kind of thing could happen, not saying it does, but it could. (others have told me it does). If the advertisor says... look I this isn't working for me, that is one thing. IF they suggest that a review be edited or removed or someone be banned OR ELSE, then I think most of us would have problems with it.

I don't beleive that the advertisors are not getting a good return on their investment. Come on, if the SP gets a good review, they are going to get business. And for the SP to get that initial good review they have to be discovered. In terms of hittting your market, this is the place to advertise. You have a bunch of "Johns" scouring reviews. What better place to post an add.

As for the threats to pull advertising unless a reviewer is banned (if this happens and I only think it might happen) I would respond in kind with a post of the agency.

The power here need/not be the women/agencies it could be with the men.

I like the idea of working together though. In many ways we are all on the same side. I will say it again though. There ought not to be banning of people at the request of agencies or SP's.

 

[GirlFriends Toronto]

lol..or better still, just ban all the ladies.

and

Actually many US boards are member supported, not advertiser supported.
It's doable. And if you take your ad $$$ away I could always organize a TERB member strike in retaliation - get all our thousands of members to abstain from the hobby for one month.

and

That..plus the prospect of a prolonged TERB member strike scared you so you are backtracking.

It's not the fact that it was Fred who said it but in the manner he said it. It was clearly in jest via the tone and the smiles at the end. Doesn't matter if it is Fred or a lady or whoever. Most ladies here post with the same style of humor and wise-ass-ness as the rest of us and it's all good.

It looked to me that FZ was being sincere.
The smilies he uses and his tone does not at all indicate that he was "clearly (acting) in jest" imo.

Amber

PS ... too many images (smilies) so the one he used in his second quote was the "cool" smilie and the 3rd quote he used the "smile" smilie
the first quote he didn't use any smilies ... making me and some others think that he was completely sincere!

 

[bondjamesbondto]

First Fred you don't have that much power. I am sorry to tell you and if you think that we get all business from TERB you are mistaken. It would hurt TERB more if every lady left with their ad$$ then if you tried to organize a hobbying strike against all of us. Even if for only a month. I know many woemn who could keep away from TERB and paying Ad fees for longer then a month. All the thousands of men could not stop hobbying for a month, or longer to make the girls come crawling back with their ad $$ in hand for you.

Second, you make this a paid site and other TO based board would get all if not most of your traffic. It is as simple as that.

Now I know some comments here may have pissed you off, and I can understand, but don't kid yourself. You own TERB, you are not GOD.

HH

It is just this sort of post that bothers the hell out of me (and it should bother most men out here)
He was joking and that was obvious. (A hobby strike HAHA)
However, honests posts would/could do in alot of SP's.
HH we are on this site to find honest opinions from men. The traffic here is too high for advertisors to leave.
The main point is that there should never be outside forces exerted on the reviews...none from the advertisors, none from the mods

 

[Don]

Why didn't I take Fred's pstseriously? As Winston already alluded to, Fred knows he couldn't (or wouldn't want to) organize a stike of any sort. Granted I'm not a mind reader nor do I know Fred well enough to say I know he's joking but I do think he knows enough about the biz to be realistic. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong. But I don't think Fred was serious. Maybe he was in a crap mood and his post was a little too snippy than normal for most but i didn't take it that way.