I thought you were a pro-union progressive?
I've only spent a couple minutes reading the story but it seems the union was fighting for higher staffing levels. I also recall that parents seemed strongly in support of CUPE on this.
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I've only spent a couple minutes reading the story but it seems the union was fighting for higher staffing levels. I also recall that parents seemed strongly in support of CUPE on this.
Im pro union up to the point where they become unreasonable. And much more private sector pro union. They are the most in need of protection. Govt unions are not nearly as needed.
Funny how the union seems to be accepting the staffing levels now so long as the raises come through. Did you ever think the union just was using the increased service levels as a bargaining chip to be tossed? I have no problem with raises for them. And even a small increase in staff levels to accommodate demographic increases. But it looks like the union started sky high and was brought down to earth.
Now we wait to see how they vote.
Ah, a true progressive.
Actually reading the news says the union spent this whole week simply pushing staffing levels and the government refused to budge at all. Would you rather they go on strike over it? Your claim was that the union wasn't interested in helping kids but their actions show they are far more interested than that government who just wants to cut costs. If education workers were land developers, we know it would be a different story.
Parents will always want more teachers/staff for their kids. After all, it's free education. It's not like the parents are actually paying anything directly or maybe even indirectly for the extra resources.
I spent my final year of high school in Montreal where I could write my matriculation (masturbation?) exams. I had a tutor for some subjects and no the province did not pay a dime for my tutor.
So, if parents want more teaching resources for their kids they can hire their own tutors on their (parents') dime.
I spent my final year of high school in Montreal where I could write my matriculation (masturbation?) exams. I had a tutor for some subjects and no the province did not pay a dime for my tutor.
So, if parents want more teaching resources for their kids they can hire their own tutors on their (parents') dime.
You just proved me right. I saw union reps on the news specifically say the first strike was all about service levels. And not wages. Now they are settling. So yes they look likel iars at this point who may have gotten a bit more money and traded off.
Such is negotiating.....
And btw Ontario has some pretty good labor laws. They could be better. Love to se them up to Europealevels. But still pretty good. I would also love to see increased unions in the private sector. Especially service industry jobs.
And that takes nothing away from.also being able to say there is a limit. Especially with govt unions.
Sure. Just like the Vegas Unions. And Hotel Worker Unions. Why would you mock kitchen workers? Are they below you? I always treated them well
So the government wants cost cuts and over several governments have kept cutting service levels and you'd rather blame the workers who at least tried to push for boosting supports.
As I said, would you rather the union go on strike to try and get more staff in schools?
Yes. Does your partisanship get in the way of reality? Harris made massive cuts but the funding method he implemented have resulted in every board to make cuts and no government sinc ethen has been willing to improve things.
Is that like a ratio of two posts without any idea what the topic is about? This is about ed assistants, secretaries, and caretakers.
Do you think it would hurt kids if more classes had an ed assistant?
Nope. But that's not the question. Its are they needed. And I don't believe the Union is qualified to set those levels.
The union(s) will always complain they are under resource whether true or not. It's in their DNA.
Personally, I think having too many educators prevent kids from being self-reliant and independent.
I wonder how the public would react if the government said "OK, the union is right. We are going to hire more support workers and give them a huge raise. But unfortunately your taxes are going to go up to cover the cost".
I'm tired of hearing parents say "I will do anything for my child" until they have to open their pocket book. So many times at I work I heard this. Guys bring in their kids school cookies or other school fund raising items looking for money. How about parents just fork over the money instead of looking for hand outs from everybody.
I'm tired of hearing parents say "I will do anything for my child" until they have to open their pocket book. So many times at I work I heard this. Guys bring in their kids school cookies or other school fund raising items looking for money. How about parents just fork over the money instead of looking for hand outs from everybody.
Darts wasn't asking a question in the post I responded to.
But yes, the government should be the ones promoting improvements to education but since they aren't and staffing levels are part of negotiations, it makes sense for the union to push for something that improves their working conditions but also improves the opportunities for students that struggle.
Yeah, kids that don't have teachers or education assistants will obviously do better
Good. The voters who demand tax cuts are shooting society in the foot. For example, Toronto once had one of the best public transit systems in the world but since politicians are afraid, needed infrastructure doesn't get built. Another example is out nuclear power generation which is pretty much all past their designed life but the government refuses to spend to either build new ones or replace their production capacity.
Those same voters also seem to be the first to complain when the services they get aren't good enough
