I heard from a friend that the ladies have an informal info sharing network so they may actually know quite a bit about a client from other ladies who have previously seen that client. This is probably true in agencies as I heard that the ladies talk among themselves, especially if they share the same 2 bedroom condo. Anyway, maybe getting a bit off topic here.
etiquette when calling an SP
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this is why having a menu on my web site is greatbobistheowl said:
the only thing ever changed about my pic's are the cropping and size in fact i have only paid for pictures once and it was the worst thing i ever did i got screwed around big time. most times my clients take them or my girlfriend
Well it's not going to enable me to write down a psychological profile or anything like that obviously, no. Out of the limited information I have about an SP before meeting in person, though, it is one of the best indicators, poor as all those indicators may be.Miss Maya Blue said:
I am sure this is the same for SP's too. Obviously you are going to learn infinitely more in the first 30 seconds together in a room about a person than you would learn from a 2-3 minuite phone call. However, my goal is not to waste an hour of my time getting myself into that room and then back home just to find out it was a mistake, an hour I could have been enjoying with an SP I like instead--maybe the only hour I had that day, making it a pretty precious hour to waste on a liar or a hater.
Jessie described developing an asshole detector, and how she developed instincts around who might be an asshole client from their phone manners. It works both ways--you'd be surprised at how many SP's give themselves away as jaded mechanical clockwatchers the moment you give them a chance on the phone.
Doesn't work with everybody, I think it doesn't work with anybody who is even remotely self monitoring, but there are a lot of pretty dumb people out there, and there are enough dumb clients and dumb SP's who give themselves away for what they are over the phone that it's worth checking for, for both sides of the call I imagine.
When I put the "describe yourself" question I generally don't leave it too open ended, something like, "Can you describe yourself, height, weight, age, that kind of thing?" I'm not looking for an essay. I'm listening to the tone of your voice, I'm comparing the facts with your website and ad, I'm judging from the sound of your voice whether you are as old as you say you are, whether you sound fun and friendly or crufty, I'm memorizing a quote that I will use against you later if you lied to me, and I'm listening to how well you handle a request from a potential customer even when you think it's a dumb request.
Wow, you can tell a few things by talking with people but their AGE ? No, not really, looks change with age but until they get very old voices stay pretty much the same for 20 to 50 years old.
I think the guy's built-if hes fat with a beer belly or in great shape, his looks and hair-if he still has most and how clean he is matters too how an escort treats them. Nobody can tell over the phone how a guy is that way.
The only and best way is to take the chance if you seem to be turn on by how she looks--and sounds if that matters too you--voices can make or break a pretty girl I will say.
You could talk for hours with a lady but until she meets and sees you and you two are alone together you really don't know how the date will be.
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I think the guy's built-if hes fat with a beer belly or in great shape, his looks and hair-if he still has most and how clean he is matters too how an escort treats them. Nobody can tell over the phone how a guy is that way.
The only and best way is to take the chance if you seem to be turn on by how she looks--and sounds if that matters too you--voices can make or break a pretty girl I will say.
You could talk for hours with a lady but until she meets and sees you and you two are alone together you really don't know how the date will be.
IMO
Aren't sites like this one and hotbabes among others out there for the main purpose of eliminating the need to ask certain types of questions directly over the phone? I'm finding there is much more information to be gleaned from sites like this than just reading over reviews as well.
Personally I am glad threads like this are posted because I didn't know the preferred way to initiate a call. I have used email to a certain extent but a) its not always answered and b) its easier to fabricate something on email, both ways on email then over the phone. If most SP's are more comfortable with this approach then I am cool with it as well...whatever makes them happier when I call is bound to make me happier in the long run
Personally I am glad threads like this are posted because I didn't know the preferred way to initiate a call. I have used email to a certain extent but a) its not always answered and b) its easier to fabricate something on email, both ways on email then over the phone. If most SP's are more comfortable with this approach then I am cool with it as well...whatever makes them happier when I call is bound to make me happier in the long run
You call her and say "hi, I seen your ad-or web site-and think we might get along good together" She saids hi back and then takes it from there. That is when some take over better than others, but people skills are not everything in my book. Some young ladies are great in bed but not great talkers.
I get you are trying to educate callers with this thread. I do see your point.
With that said isn`t part of phone etiquette turn off your cell phone/forwarding to voice mail when you know you can`t answer questions some customers want to ask. When it isn`t an appropriate time to talk and you answer anyway, isn`t it just as easy for you to say "Please call me back in xx minutes this isn`t a good time." (There are very few guys that would be put off by this. If the guy is put off by this isn`t likely someone you would want to see anyway.)
I have read many other threads about guys not be courteous but really you are in a service business and it should be the right of the customer to ask question as much as you have the right for not wanting someone`s business for the questions they ask.
I do remember you did a rant thread https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=152109 about same subject about 8 months ago. I do remember this post https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1678593&postcount=16 I am not trying to give you a hard time I just see some irony. There are two sides to each story.
With that said isn`t part of phone etiquette turn off your cell phone/forwarding to voice mail when you know you can`t answer questions some customers want to ask. When it isn`t an appropriate time to talk and you answer anyway, isn`t it just as easy for you to say "Please call me back in xx minutes this isn`t a good time." (There are very few guys that would be put off by this. If the guy is put off by this isn`t likely someone you would want to see anyway.)
I have read many other threads about guys not be courteous but really you are in a service business and it should be the right of the customer to ask question as much as you have the right for not wanting someone`s business for the questions they ask.
I do remember you did a rant thread https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=152109 about same subject about 8 months ago. I do remember this post https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1678593&postcount=16 I am not trying to give you a hard time I just see some irony. There are two sides to each story.
Its not always convenient or possible for me to be looking at an SP's website before calling her - I'm often at work for one, and browsing certain websites could get me fired for violation of company policy.
Also, I'm probably looking at a name and number I've scrawled down on a bit of paper a few weeks ago when first coming across the SP's advertising, and the reasons for doing so are forgotten (I avoid keeping a 'black book' for obvious reasons).
Thanks for the post Maya, its been an informative dialogue.
Also, I'm probably looking at a name and number I've scrawled down on a bit of paper a few weeks ago when first coming across the SP's advertising, and the reasons for doing so are forgotten (I avoid keeping a 'black book' for obvious reasons).
Thanks for the post Maya, its been an informative dialogue.
If I ask for a physical description, its typically just of hair/height/weight to jog my memory and distinguish one 'Angel' from another. I absolutely understand why the person at the other end, having gone through the expense of setting up a website, and having answered the same questions many times daily, would want to check if I can look at the website. Usually I have seen the website, but they can be hard to keep track of some times with my poor memory...lots of talent in Toronto as you know. I was trying to get across that guys might just be asking for reminders.Amazon_woman said:
By 'black book' I meant a full-blown entry for each SP - name, number, address, stats, likes/dislikes, hours, etc...no, that's not the kind of thing I want to misplace/expose. I've tried keeping names/numbers on a PDA, but find that just a single small piece of paper with names + numbers works best--easy to browse, edit, relocate, etc. Maybe its because I'm not a planner by nature, and my job doesn't make it easy to plan my personal time, I book appointments same-day only, usually with just a couple hours notice--there's almost always someone on my list available.Amazon_woman said:
Not disappointed for long at any rate, that's what passes for thrill of the hunt with me.Amazon_woman said:
I was wondering for awhile how many girls also had problems on the phone. I try to be nice, to answer questions etc., but I'm not even remotely a phone person. I don't flirt much on the phone, and I lose patience wth guys who want me to spend more than a few minutes chatting about what we're going to do. It's not that I won't be into it when I see them, I just hate talking on the phone. So guys who call me and ask for stats, service info., time and directions and then let me go are always my favourites.
I deal with giving my description over and over because I use CL for advertising and I know guys are worried about B&S. I don't go into minute detail, but it seems to satisfy.
I wonder about girls giving their actual ages though. Don't clients assume that if a girl puts 19, she's really in her 20s, if she puts 27, she's really in her 30s, etc.? It could be had to convince girls not to lie about their ages if they're trying to compensate for that. Or is it only a difference of decades that matters?
I deal with giving my description over and over because I use CL for advertising and I know guys are worried about B&S. I don't go into minute detail, but it seems to satisfy.
I wonder about girls giving their actual ages though. Don't clients assume that if a girl puts 19, she's really in her 20s, if she puts 27, she's really in her 30s, etc.? It could be had to convince girls not to lie about their ages if they're trying to compensate for that. Or is it only a difference of decades that matters?
No, voices change, dunno if it is physical or psychological--might just e different expressions, tone of voice, phrasing, slang, with age. Especially with asian SP's I can generally tell whether I'm talking to a 20 year old or a 35 year old. I'm not saying I'm very accurate. I'm saying it's one more thing to twig my spidey sense.S.C. Joe said:
"Perhaps if you actually research well-reviewed SPs who HAVE put time and money into photos and a website instead of these B&S women who advertise for free (e.g. CL) and slap up one crappy webcam photo, you may find you have more positive results, and thus a better attitude."
Sorry Diana but I don't agree with you here.
I intentionally use "crappy webcam pics' because I am not some slick, paying money over to someone else kind of pro...and take pride in being low key.
I am an independant that offers an unique experience and in spite of many people trying to get me to get a professional website and pictures, I refuse to.
There are many females on CL that are legitimate, not B and S and are even more rewarding than an agency representative in that we actually have no desire to have this as a business, with people in and out all the time and set hours.
If people phone me and right away are asking redundant questions, I don't waste my time. Everything they need to know is in the ad and if they are having a hard time comprehending what, how, where or when it's offered, then their communication skills are not up to par for what is required here in my home.
I have been reviewed before as harsh on the phone but it's too bad, lol, when someone phones and says, "tell me about yourself", this isn't a dating call, you already know what I offer and what I am about, you're just looking to engage me in conversation. With which, I might add, they usually ask questions that to answer would be illegal or inappropriate.
If someone does not have full information in their ads, odds are she is misleading you but if someone has all five W's addressed, the only question you should be asking on the phone is "Can I see you today?"
So, Miss Maya, your phone etiquette thread is good, some men need to learn how to approach a female on the phone, to not assume we are readily available to chat with them.
And one more thing, when you ask "price" over the phone, let me remind you that prostitution is not illegal however communicating for the purpose of prostitution is so any mention of money in exchange is sketchy and not acceptable. Classy women have everything you need to know in their ads, just try reading them instead of looking at the pictures.lol
Sorry Diana but I don't agree with you here.
I intentionally use "crappy webcam pics' because I am not some slick, paying money over to someone else kind of pro...and take pride in being low key.
I am an independant that offers an unique experience and in spite of many people trying to get me to get a professional website and pictures, I refuse to.
There are many females on CL that are legitimate, not B and S and are even more rewarding than an agency representative in that we actually have no desire to have this as a business, with people in and out all the time and set hours.
If people phone me and right away are asking redundant questions, I don't waste my time. Everything they need to know is in the ad and if they are having a hard time comprehending what, how, where or when it's offered, then their communication skills are not up to par for what is required here in my home.
I have been reviewed before as harsh on the phone but it's too bad, lol, when someone phones and says, "tell me about yourself", this isn't a dating call, you already know what I offer and what I am about, you're just looking to engage me in conversation. With which, I might add, they usually ask questions that to answer would be illegal or inappropriate.
If someone does not have full information in their ads, odds are she is misleading you but if someone has all five W's addressed, the only question you should be asking on the phone is "Can I see you today?"
So, Miss Maya, your phone etiquette thread is good, some men need to learn how to approach a female on the phone, to not assume we are readily available to chat with them.
And one more thing, when you ask "price" over the phone, let me remind you that prostitution is not illegal however communicating for the purpose of prostitution is so any mention of money in exchange is sketchy and not acceptable. Classy women have everything you need to know in their ads, just try reading them instead of looking at the pictures.lol
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I agree Lin,lusciouslin33 said:
I prefer to use my webcam pictures and CL ad. This is because it is free and frankly has done me better then any professional website, pro photos, or $75/month ad!
I have been there, done that and no one is going to convince me spending $300+ on a website or photos will work. And trust me there are 1000s of people who will contact you critiquing your website after it is done and put up who will tell you they can one up your designer. Hundreds of other designers will always say they can do you better and that your current website will not make you money. Same goes for photographers. I can't tell you how many times I have gotten professional photos and then had some other person contact me telling me how much my pictures suck and how he can do better. Complete and total BS! I still have my website up and going, but when it comes up for renewal I am going to let it go. I do not keep the website updated because it is not worth the money. And trust me it has nothing to do with the designer/layout/etc.
The lady who I work with on a regular basis has a proven track record, dozens of loyal clients (infact as we speak she is booked up until March with design work), and never puts something up without my final word. I have used her for other websites I have and have never had a problem with getting business from those (webcam and porn sites). I have never received unsolicited email or phone calls from her (frankly she is too busy), where as other designers always feel free to send out mass emails to people they do not even know. I am not going to keep my website up because I know the nature of this business and how most guys do not even bother to read.
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hunter, just to clarify, my phone is not just a business line. i dont get enough calls to warrant carrying around two cell phones. the majority of booking is done via email. so ya..i answer calls when the phone rings. even if i am busy, i can answer most requests. most clients simply ask, are you free tonight? so a simple yes or no will do.
as i said intially. my main peeve is with callers not knowing who they are calling, and simply being blunt with their "hi there. i saw your ad. can you describe yourself?" nonsense. its unnecessary, tedious, and too often leads no where.
hunter, just to clarify, my phone is not just a business line. i dont get enough calls to warrant carrying around two cell phones. the majority of booking is done via email. so ya..i answer calls when the phone rings. even if i am busy, i can answer most requests. most clients simply ask, are you free tonight? so a simple yes or no will do.
as i said intially. my main peeve is with callers not knowing who they are calling, and simply being blunt with their "hi there. i saw your ad. can you describe yourself?" nonsense. its unnecessary, tedious, and too often leads no where.
No, I'm always friendly. It is possible to ask someone to describe themselves without sounding like an asshole you know. Also to be clear again I am looking for the 20-30 second answer that is long on objectively verifiable things, not a conversation about life.trisket said:
I agree if you are calling someone who has multiple reviews on terb from credible reviewers then you are wasting their time asking a lot of questions.
However if you pick up a copy of Eye and flip through the ads, or even just Redzone, you will encounter many, many SP's who have not been reviewed. May well have websites and pictures, but you have limited experience booking SP's if you believe the websites and pictures are always honest.
As I said above, if I am going to spend an hour getting somewhere, I want a positive statement from the person on the phone that they are the person I expect them to be. Otherwise too many times when you turn around and walk out the SP is complainign that it's your fault you thought she was so-and-so when she's really someone else, etc.
#1 all girls do not lie about their age. Maybe they stay 20 for 2 years but some 20 year olds are really around 20. 22 years old is close enough to 20 I believe.
I was told mid. 30's when she look like 50....thats not close for me when mid 30's is my max.
I think a 30 year old girl can talk like a 20 year old, they sometimes have friends that age. It surprised me when I was younger how great a 40 year old lady can sound, then you see them and its like wow, thats her Its too bad their faces age so fast--with some--like the ones who smoke all their life.
I still say if these SP can't handle the phone calls, let a agency handle their calls. They don't want to share their fees with anybody else but then you hear them crying how its too much work answering the phone calls !
I was told mid. 30's when she look like 50....thats not close for me when mid 30's is my max.
I think a 30 year old girl can talk like a 20 year old, they sometimes have friends that age. It surprised me when I was younger how great a 40 year old lady can sound, then you see them and its like wow, thats her
Its too bad their faces age so fast--with some--like the ones who smoke all their life.I still say if these SP can't handle the phone calls, let a agency handle their calls. They don't want to share their fees with anybody else but then you hear them crying how its too much work answering the phone calls !
Yeah, I am not saying there is a hard and fast guaranteed rule, I am just playing a numbers game. Most of the time if someone sounds young they're young, if someone sounds old they're old. Not always. Often enough that it's worth gauging on the phone and adding to the information I have that leads to me deciding to invest an hour of my time in finding out more (ie: by going there).S.C. Joe said:
Agreed. Anyone who is answreing the phone better be prepared to put on their customer service face and be friendly and professional, no matter how dumb the caller is.
I do understand that some guys just call to jerk off talking to an SP, I think you can get all the information you need quickly and hang up. "Describe yourself" can be done in a few short sentences, does not need to be an essay. I make that clear. I make the question actually something more like, "Tell me a bit about what you look like, how old you are, and such" to make it clear I'm looking for facts not a solliloquay.
I actually find the most useful information is in what is NOT said when you ask an open ended question. I know I want to hear about age, weight, and measurements, and an SP who omits one of those things probably feels uncomfortable about what was omitted.
This is ESPECIALLY useful in combination with other information, like a website: For example if the site has a bunch of Santillo pictures that always have the tummy covered and then when asked to describe herself the SP leaves out waist measurement and weight I do not need to ask about those things. I can read between the lines.
