Ever been Robbed In a Hotel by an SP??

[WhaWhaWha]

...a provider asks you for monies upfront. Perhaps you should consider the fact that we the providers also get ripped off. Whether it be "oh I forgot wallet in the car" or client agreeing to amount due then knowingly doesnt have enough to pay for services rendered..........its a royal piss off!!

I don't see anyone here complaining about up-front payment. This is about the people in this thread who agreed to an amount and paid it and were then subjected to one or both of service denials or demands for more money. Don't make this complaint out to be something it isn't just to cast the blame back on the customers or pretend the real problem doesnt exist.

 

[secret_touch]

I don't see anyone here complaining about up-front payment. This is about the people in this thread who agreed to an amount and paid it and were then subjected to one or both of service denials or demands for more money. Don't make this complaint out to be something it isn't just to cast the blame back on the customers or pretend the real problem doesnt exist.

As stinkynuts posted.....there are crooks on both sides of the fence. That is exactly my point!!

 

[CaptainCharisma]

LMAO. I love it...considering your handle.

And thats the irony of it all LOL

 

[WhaWhaWha]

As stinkynuts posted.....there are crooks on both sides of the fence. That is exactly my point!!

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Many of you men get very offended when....
...a provider asks you for monies upfront. Perhaps you should consider the fact that we the providers also get ripped off. Whether it be "oh I forgot wallet in the car" or client agreeing to amount due then knowingly doesn't have enough to pay for services rendered... it's a royal piss off!!

Ok Let's look at this point by point -
1. The guy tries to get his services without paying up front.

Have you been ripped off? Not if you don't provide the service. Your time has been wasted, but it only takes 3 or 4 minutes to come to this understanding. If you do provide the service without receiving agreed or advertised payment first, you have merely been seduced. But not ripped off.


2. The guy pays up front and doesnt get services.

If the guy pays the agreed fee up front and doesn't receive the agreed service, if the hour is cut short, if she asks for more than the advertised or agreed fee after she has been paid, the guy has been ripped off.

See the difference?

 

[stinkynuts]

If an sp provides the service, and the "client" doesn't pay at the end, how can the sp not be ripped off? Seduced? I think more a violation of trust, and outright crookery, at least in my book.

 

[drlove]

Happened in 1995, we were at the $1800.00 a night room at the Sutton Place, 6 guys lots of SPs all night. We had a party! This room has a kitchen, large jacuzzi, vases, persian rugs stereo system dining table the works!

At around 2am we get a call from one of the girls that came that night saying that she did not have her fee and that one of us must have taken it from her! On a conference call with the agency and the girl the agency says no problem the girl must have lost it sorry for the trouble

Phone rings just the SP now. She says she is coming back with muscle to get her money and $100.00 for the driver. She came with muscle and another girl and basically took an additional $500.00 from us plus $400.00 that we paid her for before. We were all professionals with lots to lose so we just bent over and paid this nut. That was my worst experience ever and I think that counts as beiong robbed. I do not remember the agencys name plus this goes back 10 years...nothing close to that has happened to me since.

Why not just alert security she was coming?? They (and the police) could have been ready for her.

 

[Juldet]

too much trouble

Why not just alert security she was coming?? They (and the police) could have been ready for her.


We were all professionals, with a lot to lose... out for a good time to celebrate something. Could she have made a lie up that we stole stuff from her, filed a police report to get our names, charged us? Waited for us in the parking lot with "friends"? Broken into our room and trashed the place? It was just not worth the potential trouble, we had a great time that night except for this incident so we just figured this was a live and learn experience. I am sure we could have handled this different but at what cost?

Anyone else have a SP leave and call back to say she "lost" her fee and how did you handle it?

 

[Morgan Ellis]

Ok Let's look at this point by point -
If you do provide the service without receiving agreed or advertised payment first, you have merely been seduced. But not ripped off.

Oh, OK. So, in that case, if an SP offers to provide FS, and then only gives the guy a $500 covered handjob, he hasn't been 'ripped off' - he's been 'seduced'.

Uh huh.

If I decide to exercise discretion and not rifle through the envelope my client hands me so I can count every bill, and he still shorts me, he hasn't 'seduced' me - he's ripped me off. If a client doesn't voluntarily offer me my fee, and then either has none of it, or only part of it, he hasn't seduced me - he's ripped me off.

The relationship between escort and client isn't supposed to be one of adversaries engaged in subterfuge and low level warfare - it's supposed to be a symbiosis. You engage us, you pay us, we offer you quality entertainment and good sex in exchange, all parties depart happy. Simple. We all of us need each other, in equal measure.

Do some SPs rip off clients? Sure. Do some clients rip off escorts? Of course. But let's hope none of the parties engaged in this discussion have been or can be accused of that...

If we get to the point where we're all looking at each other with mistrustful eyes, expecting every moment to get ripped off, and hating each other in advance, it's time to take up new hobbies, and new careers.

Me, I'm thinking of knitting. Either that, or randomly seducing earnest young mormon missionaries....there's a hobby for you.

Morgan

 

[Nemrac]

Derailed.

 

[Svend]

Randomly seducing earnest young mormon missionaries sounds like easy pickings for you, Morgan.
I'm guessing the challenge is getting the highest numbers in one evening, what's the record?

 

[Morgan Ellis]

I'm guessing the challenge is getting the highest numbers in one evening, what's the record?

Well, it's helpful that they always travel in pairs... I've been knitting full body restraints for the little cuties. They look so adorable as they wriggle around inside of them. I gave up altar boys for lent - too much competition from priests, anyways.

Hey, if I convince a pair of mormon missionaries to come into my apartment by telling them that I think the idea of Jesus being a native Indian sounds swell, and then sedate and molest them, does that count as having ripped them off, or is it ok because it wasn't in a hotel room?

Confused about ethics,

Morgan

ps: derailing threads is a long standing terb tradition, akin to offering someone a ride on your yatch or the use of your mechanical pencil, or anxiously awaiting Great Bear's daily updates on his plans to go home. Oh, and Goober's mom gives the best hummers in Canada. Ask Sheik.

 

[WhaWhaWha]

Oh, OK. So, in that case, if an SP offers to provide FS, and then only gives the guy a $500 covered handjob, he hasn't been 'ripped off' - he's been 'seduced'.
Uh huh.

Nope ripped off. She agreed to FS and provided none. It's very clear.

If I decide to exercise discretion and not rifle through the envelope my client hands me so I can count every bill, and he still shorts me, he hasn't 'seduced' me - he's ripped me off.

Then you would be in a strict minority. The ladies I meet, treat this as an up-front cash business. They take the money and leave the room and don't return immediately. Clearly taking enough time to count it. Some count it in front of me so if it is short we can both see at the same time. Though it has been a while since we have met, you were no exception to that rule. That's not a complaint. I'm not a regular so I don't expect to be treated like one. Though I don't want to ruin things for anyone else, you were worth way more than you charged

If a client doesn't voluntarily offer me my fee, and then either has none of it, or only part of it, he hasn't seduced me - he's ripped me off.

Only if you provide the service without ensuring you have been paid, which is the standard. We know it. we dont get offended when you count it. We expect you to so we know where we stand. Indeed this whole thread is about gents who pay up front and then don't receive advertised services, or any services, and in some cases there are demands for more money if they want any kinds of services at all. Some guys throw good money after bad and that's their folly. I learned by letting it happen to me once. Through an agency called Moon Flower or something like it in the 80s. It still happens but I'm not naive enough to give her any more money. If I realize I am not going to receive advertised services, I get my pound of flesh another way. I sit and chat for my 30 or 60 minutes about politics and business asking for nothing sexual whatsoever. After all Im not going to get a refund or the desired service and I haven't cum yet so why leave? I'm paying for her time (the mantra of the service withholder). In one case she tried to rush me out anyway so I just said OK let me use the bathroom and I'll get out of your way. Then I made her incall location unbreathable for the next guy.

The relationship between escort and client isn't supposed to be one of adversaries engaged in subterfuge and low level warfare - it's supposed to be a symbiosis. You engage us, you pay us, we offer you quality entertainment and good sex in exchange, all parties depart happy. Simple. We all of us need each other, in equal measure.

I agree. I wish I lived and hobbied in your universe all the time, but I seek variety and look what happens. But appointments don't always unfold the way we want them, do they? This brings us to the principal reason for the creation of this forum and the topic of this thread.

Do some SPs rip off clients? Sure. Do some clients rip off escorts? Of course. But let's hope none of the parties engaged in this discussion have been or can be accused of that...

Without polling I can guarantee you there isn't a client on this forum that can't tell a story of being cheated, short shifted, up priced, held at arms length after the full cash payment willingly and cheerfully changed hands.

If we get to the point where we're all looking at each other with mistrustful eyes, expecting every moment to get ripped off, and hating each other in advance, it's time to take up new hobbies, and new careers.

I hope not. For my part it's just part of the price of hobbying-- though I wish it wasn't. It's not like all SPs are dishonest, but enough have done me wrong that I find it hard to trust anyone. Even still my ratio of good to bad "dates" is better than my ratio for honest to dishonest mechanics.

But let's face facts. It's a lot easier to take someone's money and not provide a half-hour or hour of advertised services than the other way around. The SPs on this board who have been ripped off more than once, because they didn't count their money in advance, have only themselves to blame. Have faith in your religion, your family, or your alarm clock, but not your clientelle.

Me, I'm thinking of knitting. Either that, or randomly seducing earnest young mormon missionaries....there's a hobby for you.
Morgan

That's enough to make me wanna convert to Mormon and go on a mission.