Fake Arizona Election Audit by Ninjas backfires on them
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In other words, Put restrictions in place so Democratic voters have trouble voting , and if Democrats do win enact a law that says we dont like the winner ,
The so-called suspicious irregularities were all addressed by election officials including Republicans as nonsense. They couldn't lie about the vote totals so they are as usual just trying to make stuff up. One proposal is to do away with mail-in ballots with no evidence of any issues and about 70% of voters used mail-in ballots. Other crazy stuff the Republican-controlled AZ Legislature is going to propose to try and make it harder to vote. I haven't stood in a polling line for decades mail-in is so more efficient and you have to sign the envelope to match your signature on voting records and you can trace online that your ballot was received.
What is amazing is polls show about 70% of Republicans still think Trump won.
The phony "audit" cost the state $150k and private funding by Trump supporters paid $5.7m. Also, all the voting machines turned over to the audit have to be replaced since they could have been manipulated by the Cyber folks and since they were out of control of election officials under AZ law can not be reused.
What is amazing is polls show about 70% of Republicans still think Trump won.
The phony "audit" cost the state $150k and private funding by Trump supporters paid $5.7m. Also, all the voting machines turned over to the audit have to be replaced since they could have been manipulated by the Cyber folks and since they were out of control of election officials under AZ law can not be reused.
Everything you say ignores the audit results. There were 50,000 "irregular" ballots - meaning they were irregular on their face, or in some manner they did not comply with Arizona electoral law (people who left the state, voters who cast votes in multiple counties, missing envelope images, etc.). If these ballots skewed towards Biden, and should not have been counted due their irregularities, it could easily have reversed the state wide result.
Election officials typically don't admit their mistakes until they are absolutely cornered. If you are waiting for them to admit that they should have identified these irregular ballots themselves, and investigated them prior to certifying the election, you'll be waiting a lifetime. As to Republicans or Democrats who want to dismiss the audit findings without offering credible and innocent explanations for what was found - who cares.
Anyone focussing on the hand recount versus the certified result alone is intentionally trying to avoid the real issue identified by the audit.
The real issue is whether running elections that are vulnerable to these flaws is acceptable to the public. The test can't simply be whether whoever you wanted got elected. If there are rules, the electoral process must provide a means to enforce the rules. Non-compliant ballots on their face either need to be investigated before before being counted (to cure a potential irregularity) or they should be discarded. It just depends on how much onus you want to put on the voters to follow the procedure under the law. It sure does not appear that using voting machines improves either the reliability or the speed of the process. It also appears that it is far more useful for election officials to immediately investigate and report to the public regarding electoral concerns than it is to resist that process.
Good to see Dutch Oven come out in favor of the Democratic Party's voting bills.
There can only be one possible solution - the deep state infiltrated the cyber ninjas. That’s the only conceivable thing to make sense. Like Cleveland steamer - I mean Dutch oven said there were irregularities. Somehow the audits did not show these irregularities that the sleuths on terb did. If this isn’t a massive coverup I don’t know what is lol
The election team explained all those "irregularities".
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A lot of them appeared to be quite basic and simple and they were explained on line in real time as the official election personnel watched the Cyber Ninjas luducrous presentation.
I guess the CN's will say that the Maricopa Co officials would not speak to them and that is why the "irregularities" were not explained in the initial report. But OTOH, it is beyond ridiculous that the Ninjas did not hire any persons who had actual election supervision experience to come on board their team and advise them. (Of course, we guess the following:
1). That no actual election official would lower him / herself to associate with such a band or no-hope mercenary lowlifes as the Ninjas.
2). That the initial plan was for the Ninjas to announce that Trump had won by 500 million votes and that Biden had eaten the proof, or some such shit. And the Ninjas swallowed hard and reconsidered when it was made obvious that the DoJ would break them if they were that brazen. Therefore, Plan B was to admit that Biden had won, but quibble.)
Here it is again:
When confronted with a prediction error, the brain has two options. The first option is to revise its model of the world until the prediction error is satisfactorily diminished. The second option is to change the world so that it matches the model.
With most people when they see something they predict or think is unreasonable happen they change the way they think to say 'oh, I didn't think that could happen but I guess it can'. With others, namely all the right wingers and trump supporters here, they change what they think the world is. As in, 'trump really won 'cuz I know he did so therefore it absolutely must be the elections'.
You can change people's predictions to incorporate unexpected results, but changing what people think of the world demands massive change to them.
The dutch ovens will not see reality for a long time.
The Democrat method of dealing with spoiled meat is to stamp "Approved" on the package. Problem solved!
But you just put out a list of reforms the Democrats support.
The real issue is whether running elections that are vulnerable to these flaws is acceptable to the public. The test can't simply be whether whoever you wanted got elected. If there are rules, the electoral process must provide a means to enforce the rules. Non-compliant ballots on their face either need to be investigated before before being counted (to cure a potential irregularity) or they should be discarded. It just depends on how much onus you want to put on the voters to follow the procedure under the law. It sure does not appear that using voting machines improves either the reliability or the speed of the process. It also appears that it is far more useful for election officials to immediately investigate and report to the public regarding electoral concerns than it is to resist that process.
Are you now against your own recommendations because the Dems support them?
The real issue is whether running elections that are vulnerable to these flaws is acceptable to the public. The test can't simply be whether whoever you wanted got elected. If there are rules, the electoral process must provide a means to enforce the rules. Non-compliant ballots on their face either need to be investigated before before being counted (to cure a potential irregularity) or they should be discarded. It just depends on how much onus you want to put on the voters to follow the procedure under the law. It sure does not appear that using voting machines improves either the reliability or the speed of the process. It also appears that it is far more useful for election officials to immediately investigate and report to the public regarding electoral concerns than it is to resist that process.
Are you now against your own recommendations because the Dems support them?
It's always the "stupid or evil?" question.
What the CyberNinja team did in their presentation was present everything they didn't understand as "suspicious irregularities".
It's the same thing Tucker Carlson does when he asks questions that are easily answered with google or an even partly competent research staff.
The idea is to sow doubt.
Now, the CyberNinja team seemed to be mostly incompetent, so actual stupidity and ignorance is possible, but the origin doesn't matter since it serves the purpose either way.
Why not both?
One of the main tactics of fascism, you sow doubt in the media, 'fake news' and sow doubt in elections and democracy so that when you take power your base thinks democracy should be destroyed.
Not so much fascism as totalitarianism in general.
I actually think it is more specifically a tactic developed under the Soviets.
But your point stands.
Which is why the fact that the cyberninjas themselves might just be stupid is largely irrelevant.
For instance, Tucker doing the "I am asking stupid leading questions that any amount of effort would provide an answer for" is very deliberate.
The end result is the same.
I take your point, but we're already seeing it here with posters trying to claim that even our election wasn't legit.
With paper ballots.
Arizona Audit Backers Turn on Each Other After Recount Flop
The Arizona audit showed that, if anything, Joe Biden won the state by even more votes than previously realized. Cue the GOP panic.
