Federal Budget

[Frankfooter]

And this surprises you ? Harper left Ontario and became enamoured for the west heading up a 'western' alliance (Reform party) that argued for more power for the western provinces. He is a slimy little snake with no alliances other than forwarding his career. Associated with Liberals, then conservatives and dropping them when the Reform party was gaining attention for demanding decentralized federal government with more power to the western provinces. His loyalty is all over the map having once voted for long gun registry before realizing the benefits of opposing it. He voted against the rights of same sex couples hoping to strengthen the laws against it ( thus the seed for his puritanical approach to prostitution).

How power hungry is this arrogant asshole ? He prorogued (suspended democracy) the will of the elected representatives when he thought he might loose power. (BTW: I hated the alternatives but it was no excuse to suspend democracy.) Prorogue was dangerous but Harper has used since then and if he looks like he would loose the next election - I have no doubt he would use it again. He is a little Hitler when it comes to holding on to power.

I have no idea about the alternative choices but I hope for a Liberal minority government and give the young guy a chance that can be reversed (non-confidence vote). Of course with Harper's low opinion of democratic votes and individual freedom - I'm sure he is eyeing a dictatorship as an alternative.



No one mentioned that balancing the budget was done by clawing back $2 billion from the emergency fund but in the arrogant mind of Harper - his election is work the $2 billion.

I agree with you for the most part.

Except for one issue, Trudeau has now stated he won't partake in a coalition with Mulcair, meaning that voting liberal is to vote for a conservative/liberal minority, or more of the same.

Of course, its really hard to even think about replying intelligently while that gif is right on top of me.
Who is she?
She's hot.

 

[nottyboi]

TFSAs and all these registered funds are just gifts to the banks, you cannot use leverage on them, they hit you with admin fees bla bla bla.. just a big scam.

 

[fuji]

No matter how you slice and spin it, I can think of almost 12 billion reasons it's better than than what Sousa & Wynne are about to table in Ontario. Let's see, the financial crisis of 2008 has long been over and while the Feds are back in the lack, the Ontario liberal's are firmly I the red and are proud of it.

Federal government collects way too much tax given the very few services they provide. What do they do? Military. Borders. Collect tax. Not much value given how expensive they are.

The provinces deliver a boat load of services, from healthcare to education to highways to pretty much anything that actually impacts your life, and do it on a shoestring, given what they provide.

About half the Federal government's budget should be handed over to the provinces.

 

[Insidious Von]

Balanced budget, my ass. The money they got from their GM shares has been sunk into the war in the Middle East. Thanks to Harper, we'll be in the thick of it at least till 2019 and we are going to pay big once the bill has finally been tallied. I have no idea where the money is coming from the Cons election plums? Creative accounting is a beautiful thing but eventually the smoke clears and the mirror shatters.

And as for Justin's age and inexperience, we wont know unless he's given a chance. Keep in mind that he's three years older than Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, the Italian is well on his way to an absolute majority. The Italian Senate isn't even considering a non-confidence motion.

 

[Marcus1027]

Balanced budget, my ass. The money they got from their GM shares has been sunk into the war in the Middle East. Thanks to Harper, we'll be in the thick of it at least till 2019 and we are going to pay big once the bill has finally been tallied. I have no idea where the money is coming from the Cons election plums? Creative accounting is a beautiful thing but eventually the smoke clears and the mirror shatters.

And as for Justin's age and inexperience, we wont know unless he's given a chance. Keep in mind that he's three years older than Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, the Italian is well on his way to an absolute majority. The Italian Senate isn't even considering a non-confidence motion.

There you go again, the liberal's continue to tank the Ontario economy by pulling billions out of people's pockets all the while spending more than they take in and you go defending them. One gov't is back in the black and another is firmly in the red with no real plan of how to get out of the red except hope that oil, interest rates and the dollar stay low and the U.S. Economy heats up, none of which they have any control over. Wow!! now there's an economic blueprint for you.

 

[guelph]

There you go again, the liberal's continue to tank the Ontario economy by pulling billions out of people's pockets all the while spending more than they take in and you go defending them. One gov't is back in the black and another is firmly in the red with no real plan of how to get out of the red except hope that oil, interest rates and the dollar stay low and the U.S. Economy heats up, none of which they have any control over. Wow!! now there's an economic blueprint for you.

Ontario will spend many years trying to salvage the damage Harris did to the economy.


On the Federal side no one could have done worse than Harper and his cronies -- cutting taxes and increasing spending with an recession forecast -- makes great sense.

 

[guelph]

Request for explanation

Could someone explain to me how a budget is balance when you are taking money from savings (the contingency fund) to apply to current operations.

This seems like the Harris logic of applying the proceeds of the sale of capital asset to hide an operating deficit.


I have a great deal of trouble with this logic.

 

[Frankfooter]

There you go again, the liberal's continue to tank the Ontario economy by pulling billions out of people's pockets all the while spending more than they take in and you go defending them. One gov't is back in the black and another is firmly in the red with no real plan of how to get out of the red except hope that oil, interest rates and the dollar stay low and the U.S. Economy heats up, none of which they have any control over. Wow!! now there's an economic blueprint for you.

Both the Wynne and Harper governments are looking about the same to me.
Sort of balancing the books and sort of not cutting things.

But at least Wynne is spending some on transit instead of probable war crime attacks in the middle east.

 

[Marcus1027]

Both the Wynne and Harper governments are looking about the same to me.
Sort of balancing the books and sort of not cutting things.

But at least Wynne is spending some on transit instead of probable war crime attacks in the middle east.

Where do you see Wynne balancing anything?

 

[fuji]

Where do you see Wynne balancing anything?

Where do you see Harper balancing anything?

 

[Frankfooter]

Where do you see Wynne balancing anything?

Harper sold off assets to balance the budget, just as Wynne is doing now.
Her promise of balancing the budget in 2 years is close to Harper's budget plans, Harper is about a year ahead, that's all.

 

[FAST]

Harper sold off assets to balance the budget, just as Wynne is doing now.
Her promise of balancing the budget in 2 years is close to Harper's budget plans, Harper is about a year ahead, that's all.

Selling shares in a privately owned business for a gain,...is NOT the same as Wynn selling a publically owned entity to private concerns.

As anybody who understands the difference knows,...the GM deal was always intended to be short term.

FAST

 

[Butler1000]

Harper sold off assets to balance the budget, just as Wynne is doing now.
Her promise of balancing the budget in 2 years is close to Harper's budget plans, Harper is about a year ahead, that's all.

There is no comparison. Just the fact we spent 4 years continuing to pay the debt charges after the Hydro debt was done means we own it. And to sell it without benefit of an election to decide is criminal.

The GM shares were a bailout to temporarily save the jobs. Selling them now at a profit makes sense.

The taxpayers didn't build GM. But we built Hydro.

 

[saxon]

Ontario will spend many years trying to salvage the damage Harris did to the economy.


On the Federal side no one could have done worse than Harper and his cronies -- cutting taxes and increasing spending with an recession forecast -- makes great sense.

Harris has been gone for 14 yrs for Christ sakes, the Ontario Liberals have had all that time to make changes and they've done nothing constructive. Time to stop blaming Harris for shit the Liberals won't fix.

 

[danmand]

Harper is true to his followers:

TFSA for people who have $10,00 to spare

Income splitting for families with children, except no benefit to the ones who need it the most: single mothers.

 

[newfie]

Harper is true to his followers:

TFSA for people who have $10,00 to spare

Income splitting for families with children, except no benefit to the ones who need it the most: single mothers.

If single mothers need money, why don't they go after the fathers of their kids. Why should I pay for other people's bad life choices?

 

[IM469]

Trudeau has now stated he won't partake in a coalition with Mulcair, meaning that voting liberal is to vote for a conservative/liberal minority, or more of the same.

I was thinking of a minority government, not a coalition government. That way you can see what they are doing but if they go nuts, the opposition can vote them out. I'm not a big fan of majority governments - they never have to worry about accountability for the next 4 years. Wynne scares the hell out of me even though I didn't want Hudak.

RE: Signature gif : I'm not sure who she is but I think I'm in love with her !

 

[oldjones]

If single mothers need money, why don't they go after the fathers of their kids. Why should I pay for other people's bad life choices?

Because it's cheaper to buy abortions, baby formula and daycare than Guns'n'gangs Squads, Courtrooms and years of adult meals in SuperPrisons. One of those hardnosed, practical economic 'shoulds', not the moral kind which are all Harper and his crowd care about. At least until the 99% have no money to pay taxes at all.

Everyone pays, even the folks at risk. Just not enough.
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PS: Not enough to adequately staff the DeadbeatDads Office either, even if they were a rich source of cash.

 

[danmand]

If single mothers need money, why don't they go after the fathers of their kids. Why should I pay for other people's bad life choices?

Maybe you and Harper wants to pay for your 20st century moral convictions. Have you ever considered how much society loses when a child has to grow up without proper nutrition, proper schooling and without activities all other children can partake of. You would rather pay for a maladjusted, poorly educated citizen for a lifetime than provide adequate welfare to a single mother so she can raise her children to be productive individuals.

Talk about bad choices; yours is a bad as they come.

 

[SkyRider]

Income splitting for families with children, except no benefit to the ones who need it the most: single mothers.

To paraphrase the NDP: "Income splitting only helps those who have income to split. Does nothing for people with no income." BTW: I know a few single mothers who are working professionals with handsome incomes. No, they don't all work for governments.