In a democracy do you expect that everyone is in complete agreement with the government on all issues at all times?
Federal Conservative MP Michael Ma Crosses the Floor To Join The Liberals
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And this is why it's a MSM vs the public issue. CBC, CTV will tell you Poilievre is in trouble. Polling shows Conservatives are gaining on Liberals.
It's a lot closer than what the media is telling you, which is why Carney is forcing his way into a Majority. He can't afford Poilievre grinding him down in Parliament.
Regarding Poilievre being a great opposition leader. I don't know, he's like a hockey player that's not well rounded, but excels in one thing so much it makes them elite and irreplaceable. His power is Question Period in Parliament. He just crushes and destroys the whole Liberal roster day-in day-out.
But outside of that, he's missing the intangibles. Even for boring economics man Carney they were able throw him in a hockey jersey and share some old goalie photos of him. The human feel means nothing but can carry a person so far in politics (See Trudeau). I don't believe the CPC has anyone in the party right now with enough charisma to justify dropping Poilievre.
That is not a secure website buddy. My anti-virus blocked me from accessing it.
All I know is that David kilgour was a Conservative MP that left the Mulroney Government to join The Liberals and then subsequently became an Independent Candidate.
But it was Chretien who improved Trade relationships with China. Not sure what he was guilty of!!
When it was the other way around, Harper said it was cool, that he would face the electorate in the next election. You disagree with the godfather of the conservative-reform party?
You can floor-cross for many reasons. I believe something more is going on than what they say.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you on this. The PC party is still in the rear mirror when it comes to popularity, and it might have gained a little. But, the reality is that PP is not the leader they need. And, he the odds are he will get the knife come January. Is that fair? Probably not, but they did it to Scheer and O'Toole pretty quickly. As for the Liberals poaching Cons, ask yourself why they were so eager to cross the aisle? They likely won't get a cabinet position, so what is their incentive? Could it be (and this is speculation) that they don't like the direction the party is going under PP? Could they believe that the Liberals are the party that best serves the needs of their constituents? Who knows. I do know that the protesters outside of Ma's office were like 50% Rebel "News" people and some other folks.
Let me say this again: I really want the PCs to actually have a competent leader, someone who can really challenge Carney and keep him honest. They haven't had that since....well...Harper. And he wasn't exactly Mr. Rizz. The issue with PP is that he tried the populist approach. He pretended that the media was bought and paid for by the Liberals (as do some of the people on this board with absolutely no evidence) and spouted Maple MAGA rhetoric. It worked on some folks, but I think many Canadians want something better. And I know there are very intelligence conservatives out there. But what they don't need is someone like Kevin O'Leary to throw their hat in the ring...
Of course.
I can't think of a single instance where no one would ever have any legit grievances with the government.
That, of course, by no means implies that every grievance anyone ever has is legit.
So why do you think it's acceptable to just label any grievances from the right in Canada as Maple MAGA?
I agree. I think there is very real tension between some populist and some mainstream old school conservatives in the party. And I think it has to do with leadership style and some policy.
Carney is an old school conservative. And his style may be appealing to a eing if the party at this point to accomplish their personal politics.
I think after the leadership review is done you may see a few more defections if PP doubles down and what has been reported as indifference to that wing continues.
I don't see Carney as a conservative at all. I think we've become so use to seeing Far-left politics dominate in Canada that anyone who seems rational is labelled conservative. He's maybe a moderate, but even that I'm not to sure.
When it comes to Floor-crossings, I'll need to wait and see. You can't be under Poilievre's leadership and say "I don't like his style". That's who he's always been.
But Pee Pee claims that the media is "Liberal" and he wants to defund them. He also stated that these FreeDumb Convoy dudes were "Peaceful" when he sat down for an interview with the Far Right Juno News Host Candace Malcolm in February:
Where does he get the notion that The CBC is a Liberal mouthpiece, especially as I have seen them being critical of all shades be it Liberal, Conservative and NDP. Now he wants these Far Right Media to be given access to Parliament Hill.
Here Pee Pee blames Mark Carney for the defections, calling them manipulation of back room deals in his interview with Rosemary Barton. Of course he does not want to take the blame of his far right policies that are deemed to be far more divisive, and then caused the party to lose the elections:
The stuff I'd like to say and expand on this, but I'll stay quiet, we're fucked.
Mark Carney
Mark Carney served as the 8th Governor of the Bank of Canada from February 1, 2008 to June 1, 2013.
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I haven't and neither has anyone else as far as I know.
Someone should ask him the same questions today to see if he answers them any differently, especially about CBC, the FreeDUMoys and placing radical so-called "journalists" in the press gallery.
You've seen all the terms. A few post ago you were arguing for them.
Canada is cooked. This is a joke.
I'd put Carney as center-right in a Canadian context.
Closer to the old PC party.
Blue Grit, although I don't know if anyone uses the term anymore.
As far as floor crossings, of course you can be under Poilievre's leadership and say "I don't like his style", even if that is who he has always been.
People can reach their limit with someone, even if they knew the problem before hand.
Canada is cooked.The stuff I'd like to say and expand on this, but I'll stay quiet, we're fucked.
Mark Carney
Mark Carney served as the 8th Governor of the Bank of Canada from February 1, 2008 to June 1, 2013.
I don't know what planet half the country is on. Anyone with Grade 9 education should be able to call out all this bullshit we see.
Nothing adds up.
Stockholm syndrome maybe.
