Foreign dating sites.....the unhappy ending...and the legal mess it leaves

[Scarey]

The subject of foreign dating sites has been debated on Terb before.Here is a story that is definitely a con to bringing a lady from overseas in the name of love....

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cbc/101019/canada/canada_britishcolumbia_bc_sponsorshiprevoked

 

[Stoo]

And they say there isn't a market for a good hit man...

 

[cute-bald]

I have heard way too many instinces of the bad experiences. Not to mention the big language & cultual barriers that strain even the most honest of relationships. BEST to seek someone in your own city fore which you can find many foreign women IF you really like someone different.

 

[nottyboi]

If you want to marry a woman from abroad... you need to move there, never, never NEVER bring a woman from overseas. At least if it does not work out you can flee and leave no forwarding address...and send cheques for kids based on what YOU can afford if you were dumb enough to knock her up.

 

[blackrock13]

I really felt for this guy when he was interviewed on CBC. It was clear he couldn't find a local girl with his interests so he looked back home. then got stung twice;

once by her and once by the law.

 

[fmahovalich]

I never understand these guys..or situations.

Forget the visitor visa, and sponsoring. Go over there and find the lady you like...promise her whatever..if she hot or good lay.. whatever..Convince her to come to Canada. At most, maybe buy her plane ticket!! But thats it

NO SPONSORSHIP..NO co-signing Visas....nuthin.

Treat it like she is on vacation to Canada. She can see you....Hang with you..see how it goes, but heck. She has six months to 'travel' in Canada.

That way you can see what happens...
Is she interested in you?
Is she out all the time at the Russian clubs?
Does she hang with her Russian friends and NOT YOU!!

If so..you can tell her to keep on travellin!!!

CIAO (I know Italian...But I don;t know G'Bye in Russian )

 

[Aardvark154]

Foreign dating sites.....the unhappy ending...and the legal mess it leaves

We can of course concentrate of the first of these. However, the article really is about the third: a failed imigration and legal system, although the reporter is smart enough to merely hint at certain aspects of this "her immigration lawyer is trying to find a way to help her stay in Canada. . . [and] indicated publicity could cause serious repercussions for his client with immigration officials, while meanwhile she is "fighting in B.C. Supreme Court to try to get half of [her ex-husband's] assets," this for a marriage that certainly lasted no more than a year, and seemingly much less than that, and meanwhile while in Canada illegally has been awarded spousal support.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/10/18/bc-sponsorshiprevoked.html

Vancouver immigration lawyer Richard Kurland said he often sees cases where foreign nationals — with no real case for staying in Canada — will nevertheless delay leaving as long as possible. He said this case is particularly sad because it is using up valuable court time and causing hardship for a Canadian.

"When you are wasting provincial [family court] money or creating havoc in a Canadian person's life and you have no status here — and there's no real humanitarian application that will cling you to Canadian soil — you have to go," said Kurland. "And if you don't go voluntarily, someone has to force you out."

"Our system has a gap in it," he added. "There's no followup, or little of it, and foreign nationals are asked to leave.… There's no one knocking at the door."

Immigration Minister Jason Kenney insisted the problem is with the courts, not the government

"People who are out of immigration status in Canada are subject to removal," said Kenney. "But, often what they will do is use every legal trick in the book to make appeals and risk assessments. We have a very, very generous legal system that sometimes makes it very difficult to remove even dangerous criminals."

Kenney said his government is consulting with the public on how to stem the tide of marriages of convenience. His department said it has received 1,200 submissions so far through its online consultations. So, the government seemingly is concentrating not on enforcing the law, and promptly deporting those who have married Canadians for less than honourable reasons, but rather preventing foreign marriages?

"We are looking at measures to help us crack down on fake marriages and marriages of convenience. We are looking at temporary status — once people have arrived as a sponsored spouse — to make sure the marriage is bona fide," said Kenney.

That would not have helped Volik, however, since his estranged wife was given only temporary status but still has not left the country since their separation. He wrote to Kenney's office in March of this year about his case, but has received no response.

"Well, look, we get complaints about Canadians who turn out to be bogus, fraudulent spouses all the time," said Kenney. "We tell [the complainants] to bring evidence … to the Canada Border Services Agency and it's then up to them as a law enforcement agency to enforce the law."

 

[Aardvark154]

CIAO (I know Italian...But I don;t know G'Bye in Russian )

до свидания (Do Svidaniya) (more or less 'until we next meet')

 

[Don]

I never understand these guys..or situations.

It's called "being desperate". The fact that he would go to a foreign dating site to find a wife is proof enough at how desperate he is. I have some sympathy for him but not too much. You have to understand that risks

 

[zz000ter]

How do these Russian women get so smart on how to use our legal system.
Geez - I sure would not know what to do in Russai if the tables were reversed.
Heck - I probably would not know how to use the Canadian system as well as this woman does!

 

[afterhours]

and all that because there is no fiance visas in Canada, as opposed to any other 1st world country

if Canadian men had long enough dicks, they would be fucking themselves in the ass if Canadian women told them to
the balls would not be on the way, as Canadian men have no balls to speak of

 

[Terminator2000]

How do these Russian women get so smart on how to use our legal system.
Geez - I sure would not know what to do in Russai if the tables were reversed.
Heck - I probably would not know how to use the Canadian system as well as this woman does!

believe it or not. they have a system. the people at the agency for russian brides are the ones that teach them how to do all this. They say, when you meet canadian husband, you smile, you say he is most handsomest man you ever seen in your life, then you cook and clean for two months, smile, dress sexy, say you love him everyday. then after three months, you say you want live life and go meet lawyers right away. don't tell him. when he start asking questions. you say he not treat you fair like a good wife and not let you out and say you not allowed to go out and you tell the lawyer that he say you can never go out and must cook and clean all the time. you lie lie lie.

believe it or not. they have it all figured out.

i knew a russian guy once that his mom used to know the canadian legal system better than the back of her hand and would take people to court for the silliest reasons, because she knew she could and to get money out of it.

 

[Aardvark154]

How do these Russian women get so smart on how to use our legal system.
Geez - I sure would not know what to do in Russai if the tables were reversed.
Heck - I probably would not know how to use the Canadian system as well as this woman does!

Further to what Terminator2000 wrote: also, because there are groups within the system in Canada and the U.S. who feel any foreign born women married to a National is ipso facto being abused and deserves their help. Further they learn that in certain types of legal actions being stuborn pays off, since the legal costs amount to more than giving in.

 

[Aardvark154]

and all that because there is no fiance visas in Canada, as opposed to any other 1st world country

Even so there is still often pressure to marry before the full time period of the Fiancée Visa. The problem here is that Mr. Volik, is being played, his ex-wife is in Canada illegally, the immigration authorities have not taken action to detain and deport her and meanwhile she has been awarded spousal support!

 

[mandrill]

The article is soley from the guy's point of view and takes everything he says at face value. In my experience, Immigration is not dilatory in enforcing removal orders. The "risk assessment" that is referred to happens within 3 months of the removal order and finds over 99% of cases to be risk-free in their home country - even where that country is Sri Lanka or Somalia. Indeed this bullshit "risk assessment" is 1 of the scandals of the immigration system and there are numerous cases of deportees killed whithin days of reaching their "risk-free" home country. Just go out for coffee with any immigration lawyer and you'll hear the stories.

My guess is that the lady filed a groundless "humanitarian and compassionate" application to stay in Canada. The system takes 2-4 years to process these and this is solely the fault of the immigration system. You cannot fault people for taking advantage of a dysfunctional system. This is a paper application and takes about 15 minutes to read through. Immigration simply does not assign the personnel to do this promptly as this area has low priority at Immigration. It also screws the more legitimate applicants who are kept in limbo for years until their case is dealt with.

As far as the guy saying he cannot afford the support payments, EVERY MAN I HAVE EVER REPRESENTED IN FAMILY COURT has claimed he cannot afford the support payments. he has had a hearing with an experienced judge who assessed his economic circumstances and made the call on evidence that the public cannot access. The guy could very well be lying about his salary or resources. (What a surprise!)

Anyway, nice PR work by the guy for getting a little sympathy.

 

[larry]

...As far as the guy saying he cannot afford the support payments

personally i don't think he owes her a penny. she may even owe him for bringing her here, giving her access to canadian life, food and board. these paid-for-brides ALL know how to suck in a north americano. they study it. he was so stupid to sign anything. what was suggested earlier, go there, enjoy the sex and dating, come home when you like. that's the way.

 

[fmahovalich]

My point..Don;t marry her...Don;t sponsor...just be real nice...tell her lots of sweet nuthins....promise promise...but NEVER NEVER get caught providing for her!!!

 

[fuji]

NO SPONSORSHIP..NO co-signing Visas....nuthin.

Sponsorship agreements for spouses in Canada are essentially meaningless because under Canadian law if you ditch your wife and she winds up destitute she can ALREADY force you to pay support under ordinary family law greater than what she'd get by following the sponsorship agreement.

The agreements are mostly really for when people sponsor siblings or parents--family members who would not otherwise be able to claim support.

Now of course that's cold comfort if your overseas bride uses family court to strip you of half your assets. Even a pre-nup isn't likely to save you here, if it's so one sided that it leaves her with next to nothing a judge will toss it. However, a natural born Canadian bride could equally do the same.

These are the realities of Canadian marriage law regardless of whether your wife is an immigrant, or a natural born citizen.

 

[james t kirk]

1. Never get married.

It's just a legal minefield that will leave you BROKE forever when it ends (and most marriages end). Until they reform the divorce laws (which will be never because too many lawyers make too much money in divorces) the split up will always mean that one person gets fucked (and that person is not necessarily the male these days.) As far as I'm concerned, you split up, you get nothing, other than what you came into the marriage with. I don't believe in the concept of "support" for either partner. You split, you walk away and you're on your own. My personal opinion is that you should exit a marriage with what you came in with. All joint assets that were bought and paid for during the marriage (regardless of who paid for them) should be split 50 50, but assets held outside the marriage - pension, property, businesss interests remain with the individual owner. Kids - they get supported as per the tables - no arguement there.


2. Never marry a foreigner looking to have you bring them here.

As if getting married wasn't stupid enough, marrying a foreigner is so stupid that you deserve what happens to you. If you can't find someone to marry in the GTA - a place of 6 million people, then there is something wrong with you.

 

[Aardvark154]

If you can't find someone to marry in the GTA - a place of 6 million people, then there is something wrong with you.

The problem is that not everyone lives in the GTA or another large city. Nor with the exception of the difficulties of meeting someone, do all of us wish to live in a large city.