France becomes world’s first country to enshrine abortion rights in constitution

[Victor Lazlo]

Excuse me for the interjection of an answer. Isn't it true that a
woman already has the right to choose? Abortion has been legal
in France for some time.

i was referring to the US. If I was not clear then I apologize but I am pretty certain the poster to it was directed understood.

 

[Victor Lazlo]

Don't you think father of the unborn has his right?

I will as soon as he starts carrying it and had to interrupt a job, career, life etc.

 

[Victor Lazlo]

I gladly will if you apologize.

huh? For what?

 

[jalimon]

I now have a feeling that the right to abort an unborn at any
stage of pregnancy, if granted by law, might still not fully
satisfy pro-abortionists unless it is enshrined in the constitution.

14 weeks is the maximum in France because passed 14 week it becomes a medical procedure that is too complicated for the medical profession and becomes more risky for women. In Quebec abortion is a free medical procedure but maximum is set to 9 weeks.

 

[Skoob]

huh? For what?

Post #17

 

[Victor Lazlo]

Post #17

I truly do not understand what was insulting or offensive and that was certainly not my intention but if you were offended I apologize unreservedly.

 

[Skoob]

I truly do not understand what was insulting or offensive and that was certainly not my intention but if you were offended I apologize unreservedly.

Ok apology accepted. Thanks

I believe a woman has the right to choose. When to choose and why, are more of the issue for me.

This also collides with when is a fetus a human being?

Within situations such as rape, and life threatening situations for the mother then I support a woman's decision fully.

However, I don't support someone just deciding they made a mistake or just changes their mind for whatever reason, and wants to terminate a pregnancy after a few months.

I believe, based on science, that a fetus becomes a human when there's a heartbeat at about 8 weeks or so. At that point, it's about killing another human regardless of the intention. There needs to be a compelling reason and that varies between people.

That's my honest opinion.

 

[Frankfooter]

I believe, based on science, that a fetus becomes a human when there's a heartbeat at about 8 weeks or so. At that point, it's about killing another human regardless of the intention. There needs to be a compelling reason and that varies between people.

That's my honest opinion.

Its an opinion that is not shared by most Canadians, yet another of yours like that.

 

[Conil]

Good for France who have all the political parties that agree with Women Have The Right to Their Own Bodies. Why Do the Righties in the USA not pay heed to Reality at this day and age?


France became the world’s first country to enshrine abortion rights in its constitution on Monday, the culmination of an effort that began in direct response to the US Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.
Lawmakers from both houses of the French Parliament voted 780 to 72 in favor of the measure, easily clearing the three-fifths majority needed to amend the French constitution.
Monday’s vote, held during a special gathering of lawmakers at the Palace of Versailles, southwest of Paris, was the final step in the legislative process. The French Senate and National Assembly each overwhelmingly approved the amendment earlier this year.

The amendment states that there is a “guaranteed freedom” to abortion in France. Some groups and lawmakers had called for stronger language to explicitly call abortion a “right.”
Lawmakers hailed the move as a history-making way for France to send a clear signal of support on reproductive rights, with abortion under threat in the United States, as well as in parts of Europe, like Hungary, where far-right parties have come to power.
Following the vote, the Eiffel Tower was lit up with the words “my body my choice.”

Prime Minister Gabriel Attal said before the vote that lawmakers had a “moral debt” to women who were, in the past, forced to endure illegal abortions.

“Above all, we’re sending a message to all women: your body belongs to you,” Attal said.

French President Emmanuel Macron said the government would hold a formal ceremony celebrating the amendment’s passage on Friday, International Women’s Rights Day.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/24/health/alabama-ivf-roe-v-wade
France first legalized abortion in 1975, after a campaign led by then-Health Minister Simone Veil, an Auschwitz survivor who became one of the country’s most famous feminist icons.

While abortion is a highly divisive issue in US politics that often falls along party lines, in France it is widely supported. Many of the lawmakers who voted against the amendment did so not because they opposed abortion, but because they felt the measure was unnecessary, given the wide support for reproductive rights.

The measure’s passage is a clear victory for the French left, which has been pushing for years to guarantee abortion rights in the constitution. Before 2022, President Emmanuel Macron’s government argued — like the amendment’s current opponents — that the move was unnecessary.

However, in 2022, when the US Supreme Court ruled against Roe v. Wade and let states individually decide on the issue, France was pushed to act.

French Justice Minister Eric Dupond-Moretti said perviously, before debate began in the National Assembly in January, that history was full of other examples where “fundamental rights” were believed to be safe but then taken away, “as we were recently reminded by the decision of the US Supreme Court.”

“We now have irrefutable proof that no democracy, not even the largest of them all, is immune,” he said.

The vote marks the 25th time the French government has amended its constitution since the founding of the Fifth Republic in 1958.

The Catholic Church was one of the few groups to announce its opposition to the amendment. The Pontifical Academy for Life, the Vatican body which focuses on issues related to bioethics, said in a statement that “in the era of universal human rights, there can be no ‘right’ to take human life.”

A conference of French bishops on Thursday also reiterated the church’s opposition to abortion ahead of the vote.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/04/europe/france-abortion-constitution-intl/index.html

Nothing wrong with that, I just don't support it at late stages.

 

[HungSowel]

Ok apology accepted. Thanks

I believe a woman has the right to choose. When to choose and why, are more of the issue for me.

This also collides with when is a fetus a human being?

Within situations such as rape, and life threatening situations for the mother then I support a woman's decision fully.

However, I don't support someone just deciding they made a mistake or just changes their mind for whatever reason, and wants to terminate a pregnancy after a few months.

I believe, based on science, that a fetus becomes a human when there's a heartbeat at about 8 weeks or so. At that point, it's about killing another human regardless of the intention. There needs to be a compelling reason and that varies between people.

That's my honest opinion.

Why do you make an exception for rape? The fetus did no wrong. If you do make an exception for rape and you argue that a fetus is a human, then it would be ok to kill people who are products of rape be it a fetus, or a born baby, or a child, or an adult.

 

[bver_hunter]

I am not sure if you meant to say 'isn't' in lieu of 'is' in the
1st sentence.

No big deal if it isn't in the constitution. Women do have the
right to choose to have abortion.

Again when we are discussing about the Abortion Rights written in the Constitution France are unique in that respect. So, the question was: Is the Abortion Rights written into the Canadian Constitution for it to be on the same level as France? This was in regards to your original response when you mentioned that Canada and The West were similar to France. Obviously, the USA is nowhere on par with France with Anti-abortion Laws rife in the Republican States since the overturning of Roe v Wade by the Supreme Court!!

 

[Skoob]

Its an opinion that is not shared by most Canadians, yet another of yours like that.

I don't really care...you know why? Because it's my opinion.

 

[roddermac]

Its a choice that the rest of us will have to pay for when you get sick.

You mean like smokers alcoholics and drug users. Anyone forcing them to quit. I'm listening. Oh and by the way once again I have to repeat this for the millionth time. Covid the original strain had a survival rate of 99.98%. Maybe hospitalization rate of less than 3%. I already had it 3 years later and nothing so getting sick for most was rare.

 

[bver_hunter]

Well we can cherry pick specific scenarios to justify things but that's not the point here. The point here is when is a person a person? That is the crux of the entire debate for years. Whether it's a woman's right to her own body, the issue has always been the fine line between a fetus and a person.
Every situation is different.

If you keep saying every situation is different, then why on earth are the Anti-Abortion laws in some States not taking that into account? When rape and incest victims have to travel out of state to perform their abortion why should that not matter to those implementing these laws? Hence, this is not about Cherry Picking as it is a serious life and death matter when even the pregnant lady's life is on the balance. Then the surgeon who has to perform the procedure is criminalized by those laws if he dares to follow through with the surgery. The penalties for the victims are severe as well. This is why every woman should have the right to decide what is in her body and not those fundamentalist lawmakers!!

 

[Skoob]

Why do you make an exception for rape? The fetus did no wrong. If you do make an exception for rape and you argue that a fetus is a human, then it would be ok to kill people who are products of rape be it a fetus, or a born baby, or a child, or an adult.

I make that an exception because pregnancy was forced on the woman.

 

[Skoob]

If you keep saying every situation is different, then why on earth are the Anti-Abortion laws in some States not taking that into account? When rape and incest victims have to travel out of state to perform their abortion why should that not matter to those implementing these laws? Hence, this is not about Cherry Picking as it is a serious life and death matter when even the pregnant lady's life is on the balance. Then the surgeon who has to perform the procedure is criminalized by those laws if he dares to follow through with the surgery. The penalties for the victims are severe as well. This is why every woman should have the right to decide what is in her body and not those fundamentalist lawmakers!!

There are different laws in different places that do take different situations into account. There is no law that simply states: No abortion period.
There are also no laws that exist today that make it a crime to abort if the mother's life is threatened by the pregnancy. Even Texas allows that.

 

[bver_hunter]

For the millionth time. They've admitted that the vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting covid or transmitting it to someone else. They also admitted that young people didn't need it and that the lock downs were pointless. You were more likely to get and spread covid if you were vaccinated then not. Either way my body my choice. You can't have it one way for some and the other way for others.

Now listen, when one is vaccinated and passes on the virus to another that has been vaccinated, the studies have proven that the symptoms for both parties are normally mild. But non-vaccinated individual passes the virus to an unvaccinated one who has a compromised immune system, or to a non-vaccinated Senior then the lives of those have been severely affected and in most cases resulting in the death of those individuals. That is why the whole of Canada had lower deaths and infection rates than a State like Florida.

But your comparison of the vaccine rights vs the abortion rights is downright ridiculous. Women who had their abortions in States that implemented those retarded ancient laws are severely charged and either jailed or severely penalized. Did anyone jail you or charge you for not taking a Covid-19 vaccine? No one gives a damn if you did or did not take your vaccine based on those usual anti-vaxxer conspiracy theories. Your workplace can decided whether they are concerned about spreading the virus or not. But if you travel across the border and then bring in different strains of those viruses, of course the Government has every right to implement laws that bans those who have been unvaccinated.

 

[Frankfooter]

I don't really care...you know why? Because it's my opinion.

You hold so many unpopular opinions.

 

[Frankfooter]

You mean like smokers alcoholics and drug users. Anyone forcing them to quit. I'm listening. Oh and by the way once again I have to repeat this for the millionth time. Covid the original strain had a survival rate of 99.98%. Maybe hospitalization rate of less than 3%. I already had it 3 years later and nothing so getting sick for most was rare.

Have you read the recent numbers for long covid or other long term complications?
Anti vaxxers are costing the rest of us.

I think you should be allowed to be an anti vaxxer, but then you should also sign a waiver saying you won't use public health care and you'll pay restitution for those around you who get sick. That would be fair.

 

[HungSowel]

I make that an exception because pregnancy was forced on the woman.

But you want to force pregnant women to have a child against her will.