Fred , What's a "listed" escort ?
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T-Bill, I believe you're skating on thin ice.
Let me explain... If indeed you are discovering "new" talent and provide for them a means to profit from this particular endeavor (regardless of how that is achieved), you are indeed crossing the line.
What probably makes Fred extremely nervous, and personally, I don't blame him, is the fact that these girls are new. LE certainly has a presense on this board and if I were a betting man, your girls would be the easiest by far to shake down in a sting. They may not be saying shit now but put them under an intense interrogation and see how well they sing! Do you have the wherewithal to ascertain who is trustworthy in this regard and who is not? And with no business registration, you're a sitting duck. The assumption would be that you aren't paying taxes either. All the more reason for LE to investigate.
Agencies depend on other girls within the establishment to "educate" them on proper escort ettiquette. For the owner to directly involve himself/herself in that particular activity, well... the implications are rather obvious.
Just from what I've read, you could easily be charged for Exercising Control (arranging the meetings, discussing the nature of the business directly, and indirectly, by exposing them to TERB, etc); Living Off The Avails (compensation for your efforts regardless of the means); and Procuring. I'm not a lawyer, but I do understand the lattitude that police have in laying charges such as these.
It wouldn't be difficult to paint your actions as that of a predatorial monster. No matter how noble and selfless your true intentions may be, if they have a sobbing naiive witness (or two) giving statements to a video camera, bet on being indicted. It ain't hard to coerce them into this position while under threat of going to jail themselves. Hell, most of them truly don't know what their rights are! Getting a conviction is another story. But it's a no-brainer that what you are doing is dancing precariously on the edge of danger for if it ever came down between you and a working girl under the threat of jail... guess what? You lose.
As for Fred's stand on some kind of validation, I heartily agree. Two reasons: The first one had already been stated so really needs no mention here. The second one does as it appears that no one has discussed the "harrassement" angle. What if the Yahoo link or e-mail address was the result of some girl playing a nasty joke?
Suddenly, some old lady in bum-fuck-Idaho starts getting these lewd and suggestive e-mails and freaks. Cops get involved... a trace discovers it's coming from Toronto... yada yada yada. If it was initiated through Fred's board, he's toast as well as you T-Bill, or whoever engages in this practise. Regardless of how innocently it all began, it can land some people in deep doo doo.
3rd. party verification acknowledges that they are indeed who they say they are.
It's just my opinion so I hope you don't take offense.
Let me explain... If indeed you are discovering "new" talent and provide for them a means to profit from this particular endeavor (regardless of how that is achieved), you are indeed crossing the line.
What probably makes Fred extremely nervous, and personally, I don't blame him, is the fact that these girls are new. LE certainly has a presense on this board and if I were a betting man, your girls would be the easiest by far to shake down in a sting. They may not be saying shit now but put them under an intense interrogation and see how well they sing! Do you have the wherewithal to ascertain who is trustworthy in this regard and who is not? And with no business registration, you're a sitting duck. The assumption would be that you aren't paying taxes either. All the more reason for LE to investigate.
Agencies depend on other girls within the establishment to "educate" them on proper escort ettiquette. For the owner to directly involve himself/herself in that particular activity, well... the implications are rather obvious.
Just from what I've read, you could easily be charged for Exercising Control (arranging the meetings, discussing the nature of the business directly, and indirectly, by exposing them to TERB, etc); Living Off The Avails (compensation for your efforts regardless of the means); and Procuring. I'm not a lawyer, but I do understand the lattitude that police have in laying charges such as these.
It wouldn't be difficult to paint your actions as that of a predatorial monster. No matter how noble and selfless your true intentions may be, if they have a sobbing naiive witness (or two) giving statements to a video camera, bet on being indicted. It ain't hard to coerce them into this position while under threat of going to jail themselves. Hell, most of them truly don't know what their rights are! Getting a conviction is another story. But it's a no-brainer that what you are doing is dancing precariously on the edge of danger for if it ever came down between you and a working girl under the threat of jail... guess what? You lose.
As for Fred's stand on some kind of validation, I heartily agree. Two reasons: The first one had already been stated so really needs no mention here. The second one does as it appears that no one has discussed the "harrassement" angle. What if the Yahoo link or e-mail address was the result of some girl playing a nasty joke?
Suddenly, some old lady in bum-fuck-Idaho starts getting these lewd and suggestive e-mails and freaks. Cops get involved... a trace discovers it's coming from Toronto... yada yada yada. If it was initiated through Fred's board, he's toast as well as you T-Bill, or whoever engages in this practise. Regardless of how innocently it all began, it can land some people in deep doo doo.
3rd. party verification acknowledges that they are indeed who they say they are.
It's just my opinion so I hope you don't take offense.
This is not a hugely difficult concept to grasp and Tbill does not strike me as unintelligent . The only conclusion is that he chooses not to - for his own purpose - whatever that may be .
The aptly named Sorely , on the other hand , strikes me as a "shit disturber" who one minute seems to wants to shut down the board for moral/health/who-knows-what reasons and the next wants free advertising for all .
I doubt whether he seriously believes in either position and wonder why he just doesn't take his ball and go home if this board annoys him so much .
The aptly named Sorely , on the other hand , strikes me as a "shit disturber" who one minute seems to wants to shut down the board for moral/health/who-knows-what reasons and the next wants free advertising for all .
I doubt whether he seriously believes in either position and wonder why he just doesn't take his ball and go home if this board annoys him so much .
This is where you are mistaken. Do you ever think through things before you post or are you really this misinformed ? TERB accepts advertising revenue according to a written agreement just like any other adult advertiser eg: [eye, NOW, Yellow Pages etc ). No other services are received from our sponsors.sorely said:
And what is stopping you ? Just go heretbill said:
www.internic.ca and sign up for a domain then speak to one of the dozens of webmasters who hang out here. You could be in business by tomorrow if you really wanted.
tbill, sounds like you want to use TERB as a free advertising medium for your benefit. Have you tried offering Fred some money?
The Yahoo girls did well, could set up a yahoo account that includes the contact information for your ladies. But, I really don’t understand your resistance to setting up a free web sit with a contact list. www.romeospurplepages.com has this list now, maybe Romeo could set a page up for you, for a small fee.
Don’t know if someone has mentioned this, but if there is no other source of contact information, what is to stop people from posting their ex girl friends numbers.
The Yahoo girls did well, could set up a yahoo account that includes the contact information for your ladies. But, I really don’t understand your resistance to setting up a free web sit with a contact list. www.romeospurplepages.com has this list now, maybe Romeo could set a page up for you, for a small fee.
Don’t know if someone has mentioned this, but if there is no other source of contact information, what is to stop people from posting their ex girl friends numbers.
Interesting discussion here,
but I believe some of you are arguing at cross-purposes, confusing legal and ethical issues.
If Tbill is getting discounts, or profiting in some way (I say IF, because I have no idea one way or the other), then he is no different, ethically, than the agencies, who also profit. However, they protect themselves from a legal standpoint. I believe this is the crux of Fred Zed's argument.
I have no problem, BTW, with Tbill, even if he is profiting in some way. He is providing a valuable service to the readers of this board. If you don't wish to avail yourself of this information, then don't. Nobody is forcing you too.
I also understand Fred Zed's position.
but I believe some of you are arguing at cross-purposes, confusing legal and ethical issues.
If Tbill is getting discounts, or profiting in some way (I say IF, because I have no idea one way or the other), then he is no different, ethically, than the agencies, who also profit. However, they protect themselves from a legal standpoint. I believe this is the crux of Fred Zed's argument.
I have no problem, BTW, with Tbill, even if he is profiting in some way. He is providing a valuable service to the readers of this board. If you don't wish to avail yourself of this information, then don't. Nobody is forcing you too.
I also understand Fred Zed's position.
It's always useful to root out "pretense and falsehood" and hypocrisy, not that there is any on this board. To stimulate somewhat meaningful discussion, also ain't a bad thing.train said:
Keep the comments rolling. It's quite entertaining.
By the way, I am not an advocate of closing the board--simply voicing some matters for consideration.
tbill: you evidently are not serious as you have gotten some very good feedback by now. Forget about running a successful operation if you can't take advice. It simply won't happen until you learn to listen.
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This has to be one of the most entertaining threads I have read in a long time. On the one hand we have poor shy, gullible t-bill, knight in shining armour for the poor working girl on the other side we have those sinister advisors, Shiek, Fred and others all out to take advantage of our hero. It reads like one of those old Saturday matinee movies like the Perils of Pauline.
Will t-bill listen to their advice, will he set up his own site in competition with TERB or better yet what inanity will he spout next!?
Some questions for our studio audience:
1. Would you buy a used stock from t-bill?
2. Would you invest in any of his schemes or even buy a used car from him?
3. Would you invest in the upcoming reality show starring t-bill as a rescuer of lost women?
4. What am I bid for the rights to the movie of the week on all this?
Finally any suggestions for t-bill's next scheme?
This has to be one of the most entertaining threads I have read in a long time. On the one hand we have poor shy, gullible t-bill, knight in shining armour for the poor working girl on the other side we have those sinister advisors, Shiek, Fred and others all out to take advantage of our hero. It reads like one of those old Saturday matinee movies like the Perils of Pauline.
Will t-bill listen to their advice, will he set up his own site in competition with TERB or better yet what inanity will he spout next!?
Some questions for our studio audience:
1. Would you buy a used stock from t-bill?
2. Would you invest in any of his schemes or even buy a used car from him?
3. Would you invest in the upcoming reality show starring t-bill as a rescuer of lost women?
4. What am I bid for the rights to the movie of the week on all this?
Finally any suggestions for t-bill's next scheme?
I don't tell people they can trust me, I let my referrals and work speak for themselves.tbill said:
What you're looking for at the price I think you are looking for is a tall order to fill, good luck finding someone experienced with that kind of information and technically sound enough for the work.
Dave
kiarra said:
tbill, the sooner you post these girls contact information, the better. These girls definitely need some advice from their piers.
Re: Interesting discussion here,
Listen, the vast majority of us agree that the Escort business should be legal and that the services offered should be available at fair market prices like many other services. That's why we're here. So this is not an ethical issue for us.
However, let's remember that there is a grey area in this industry where what (we believe) should be legal and what is legal do not match up. Thus, any who are not careful in how they approach this hobby can put themselves at risk.
Personal risk is a personal choice. We assume a health risk in seeing an SP, we assume an accident risk in crossing the street, and we can choose to assume an LE risk depending on how we hobby.
The difference is that, while it is our own choice to accept personal risk, we do not have the right to impose risk on others. When tbill uses TERB to promote what may be legally questionable behaviours, he not only puts himself at risk (by advertising his crime for all to see) but also subjects this board and its administrators to some risk as well. Tbill and his partners have no right to impose risk on this board without prior approval.
Furthermore, the administrators of this board have every right to protect themselves from behaviour that they think will put them at risk or even make them uncomfortable. This is their sandbox and they have established very reasonable conditions for us to follow if we want to play here. I think we should accept these rules or find another sandbox.
Zog.
They also don't implicate innocent bystanders by misusing their resources (and platform) to promote their business.banshie said:
Listen, the vast majority of us agree that the Escort business should be legal and that the services offered should be available at fair market prices like many other services. That's why we're here. So this is not an ethical issue for us.
However, let's remember that there is a grey area in this industry where what (we believe) should be legal and what is legal do not match up. Thus, any who are not careful in how they approach this hobby can put themselves at risk.
Personal risk is a personal choice. We assume a health risk in seeing an SP, we assume an accident risk in crossing the street, and we can choose to assume an LE risk depending on how we hobby.
The difference is that, while it is our own choice to accept personal risk, we do not have the right to impose risk on others. When tbill uses TERB to promote what may be legally questionable behaviours, he not only puts himself at risk (by advertising his crime for all to see) but also subjects this board and its administrators to some risk as well. Tbill and his partners have no right to impose risk on this board without prior approval.
Furthermore, the administrators of this board have every right to protect themselves from behaviour that they think will put them at risk or even make them uncomfortable. This is their sandbox and they have established very reasonable conditions for us to follow if we want to play here. I think we should accept these rules or find another sandbox.
Zog.
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