I wouldn't call Quebec a commie province, but it's definitely a union house.Rockslinger said:Those are the "commie" provinces. When I was in Quebec, I was working on my own house on a Sunday and a union member (they drive around in pickup trucks) reported me to the authorities. In Quebec, there is a law that nobody can do construction work on a Sunday. Maybe, the law has "evolved" to the point now where you are required by law to hire a union member to paint your own porch (i.e. illegal for you to paint your own house). Talk about going from the sublime to the ridiculous.
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i dont believe one word of what you just said....anybody can make up anything on discusion boards to further their own agenda...why dont you go back to sucking up to Sp,s on your other thread..Rockslinger said:Those are the "commie" provinces. When I was in Quebec, I was working on my own house on a Sunday and a union member (they drive around in pickup trucks) reported me to the authorities. In Quebec, there is a law that nobody can do construction work on a Sunday. Maybe, the law has "evolved" to the point now where you are required by law to hire a union member to paint your own porch (i.e. illegal for you to paint your own house). Talk about going from the sublime to the ridiculous
You don't have to believe me or anybody else. Check for yourself and report back if you want. I haven't lived in Quebec in quite a few years but this I remember.ogibowt said:
1) No working on your house on a Sunday.
2) You are allowed to hire only QUEBEC union members to do construction work in Quebec.
And you are not furthering your agenda with your posts? In case you haven't noticed, this thread has expanded to a discussion on unions in general. With respect to the local civic strike, my "agenda" is FAIR pay for services rendered which I think is fair.ogibowt said:
Careful now, I've run into a problem with my country place in Eastern Ontario. The local building inspector is on the war path so that the local council gets more money through. He's argument is that even painting your house is considered an upgrade and therefor a higher tax rate. Figure that one out. Just like tickets, you can fight it but time is money. I believe almost anything out of Quebec.ogibowt said:
It's easy. Read slowly.ogibowt said:
You can't let unions take too much or you're done like dinner and have to fight like hell to get it back. It's only recently that the Quebec only guideline has been softened because they had too much work for local workforce and the opposite is true in Gatineau/Ottawa/Hull. The Quebec knew they were losing big time the National Capital region.
Again nobody is buying this strike and it's even money that it will blow up in their face.
Sorry , I grew up in Quebec and I have to call bullshit on this one. He may have been pulling your leg.Rockslinger said:In Quebec, there is a law that nobody can do construction work on a Sunday. Maybe, the law has "evolved" to the point now where you are required by law to hire a union member to paint your own porch (i.e. illegal for you to paint your own house). Talk about going from the sublime to the ridiculous
Rockslinger, i hardly think its a discusion....more like union bashing, supported by dubious assumptions,disguised as "facts" , and percentages...Generally posters on Terb are anti union, so i dont expect anything different....aside from civic strikes that inconvience us all..to private strikes[ the strike against Lever has been going on for a year..nobody whines about that one]..Unionism over the past century has been good for society...decent wages for all, relatively safe work environments...hoiilday pay...maternity leave..the list goes on...but recessions always bring out the worst in alot of people..and they need to find scapegoats..welfare receipients in the mid 90,s..now unions..and believe me alot of politicians jump on the bandwagon and pander to the fears and anger.of voters....those are the true pigs, not workers..end of rant ..im out of this thread for it,s duration...Rockslinger said:
Union bashing...... no shit Sherlock. The rest of your passage has holes big enough t drive a truck. Another one bites dust. Bye!!!ogibowt said:
As my final comment on the role of unions in society, if you haven't seen this hilarious Aussie clip it is a must see, Either google You Tube 'what have the unions ever done for us' a take of on Monty Python's What have the Romans Ever Done for Us or try this link
www.youtube.com/watch?v=184NTV2CE_c
www.youtube.com/watch?v=184NTV2CE_c
So based on the victories of the past, we're supposed to blindly support unions no matter what? Sorry it's rather more simple: most people have no job security and would love to make union wages for unskilled work. It's just that simple.ogibowt said:
It transcends the recession. It has to do with the realities of the global economy that we ALL have to do deal with, but somehow union workers don't have to. Why is that??? WHY?
Unions have slit their own throats. We all know this to be true. The public ain't buying the guilt trip the unions are throwing at the public.
Fire all the fuckers and start over. The unions breed and protect complacency, and then try and guilt out the public when it doesn't work. Fuck that.
Unions are a racket now. Just like anything, they have a life span. Now they're just organized thugs, terrified we might all see them for what they are and move on.
Perhaps the dumbest statement in the whole thread , this is akin to saying artificially forced inflation is a good thing.Mrbig1949 said:Those are great policies union only contracting etc. Helps create a high wage high standard of living city. That is where I want to live, where organized workers make high wages.
This is what kills me: The incredible, child-like naivete that thinks that somehow Capitalism will deliver everyone superfat unions jobs if we just believe AND SUPPORT THE WORKERS.train said:Perhaps the dumbest statement in the whole thread , this is akin to saying artificially forced inflation is a good thing.
Blah fucking blah, that's not how Capitalism works. Grow up. The Star had similar tripe the other day.
The argument seems to be I don't get this stuff with my job so unions should not get it either. You don't have to have a two-didget IQ to believe this but it helps. Either get off your lazy duff and start a union or move to a job that has one already. It is not ALL about YOU, it is about what is good for society in general. It is unions almost alone that make this society GREAT.
You sound like one of those two "didget" IQ guys. That's not what people are saying. Please drive through.Mrbig1949 said:
BTW we don't have a capitalist system here and haven't had one since the 1930s. We have a mixed economy welfare state which produces the best possible outcomes for the most people. The "hands off the wheel capitalists" are totally discredited because they put us in the ditch or hadn't you noticed.
You guys sound like 2nd year economics students who haven't seen the real world and don't seem to understand the possible. This "I say fire the lot of them and start over" stuff positions you on the far right fringe of the Republicans with the AM radio nut jobs.
You guys sound like 2nd year economics students who haven't seen the real world and don't seem to understand the possible. This "I say fire the lot of them and start over" stuff positions you on the far right fringe of the Republicans with the AM radio nut jobs.
I really don't know how to coment on this one. The concept that society depends on unions for their success booggles whats left of my mind. This being Canada day I am going back to the beer box and I am going to try and drink my way through this post , I will post something tommorrow if it worksMrbig1949 said:
What makes it even funnier is that a common explanation for (part of the) higher unemployment rates in many European countries (e.g. France, Germany) is their higher degree of unionism. To the extent that unions are effective at increasing wages, labour demand is reduced. Insiders (the unionized workers getting the higher wages who have a seat at the bargaining table) are better off but outsiders (those not employed and hence have no role in setting wage rates) are clearly worse off. Clearly, MrBig thinks that society is automatically better off when insiders do better. Although that is a value judgement on his part and therefore cannot be declared wrong in a factual sense, I think many others would disagree with his value judgement.
