GFE: Definition
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Midlifecrisis,
Thanks for posting the links to those old threads. Got a nostalgic feeling looking at them. Here`s another good one, called GFE vs. PSE:
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=18852
H, I have been lobbying to eliminate the use of the gfe term, primarily because there is no agreed upon definition to it and it just all gets so subjective.
It seems to me the gfe term has largely been adopted due to sheer laziness. I believe it can have either attitudinal or behavioral roots. By attitudinal, I mean the gfe term is used to describe an sp who was particularly friendly, affectionate, passionate, etc. I think this would cover your "she makes it seem like there is no place she`d rather be." By behavioral, I mean the gfe term is used to describe an sp who provides specific services such as dfk, bbbj, daty, and msog.
The problem with the attitudinal definition is the subjectivity, of course, and another problem is that some guys use the gfe term to describe the attitudinal version which confuses the guys who use the gfe term to describe the behavioral version. That is why I suggest we dispense with the term and just describe an sp in terms of the services she provided, as well as any other comments about her attitude or personality. This way both definitions get covered and gents can decide, based on actual information and not jargon, whether they want to see her.
Thanks for posting the links to those old threads. Got a nostalgic feeling looking at them. Here`s another good one, called GFE vs. PSE:
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=18852
H, I have been lobbying to eliminate the use of the gfe term, primarily because there is no agreed upon definition to it and it just all gets so subjective.
It seems to me the gfe term has largely been adopted due to sheer laziness. I believe it can have either attitudinal or behavioral roots. By attitudinal, I mean the gfe term is used to describe an sp who was particularly friendly, affectionate, passionate, etc. I think this would cover your "she makes it seem like there is no place she`d rather be." By behavioral, I mean the gfe term is used to describe an sp who provides specific services such as dfk, bbbj, daty, and msog.
The problem with the attitudinal definition is the subjectivity, of course, and another problem is that some guys use the gfe term to describe the attitudinal version which confuses the guys who use the gfe term to describe the behavioral version. That is why I suggest we dispense with the term and just describe an sp in terms of the services she provided, as well as any other comments about her attitude or personality. This way both definitions get covered and gents can decide, based on actual information and not jargon, whether they want to see her.
GFE
I always thought a GFE included:
1) Driving her everywhere
2) Paying for everything
3) Meeting people (her friends) that you have no desire to meet
4) Asking her to perform oral sex but only to be let down b/c she does not feel like it
5) Repeatly saying 'yes dear' alot
I always thought a GFE included:
1) Driving her everywhere
2) Paying for everything
3) Meeting people (her friends) that you have no desire to meet
4) Asking her to perform oral sex but only to be let down b/c she does not feel like it
5) Repeatly saying 'yes dear' alot
"Rewind!"
Well...tell ya what...the day you fellas start giving out BBBJ's maybe I will too...until then I think I'll continue to not drink and drive, eat unidentified fungi, or run with Ginsu knives.
As far as I'm concerned, GFE means you leave relaxed, happy, and already planning a return visit. Why? Because you felt like you spent time with an old friend, had some of the best sex you ever had, and at no time suddenly stopped the action proclaiming loudly, "Wait! We have missed one of the specified sexual acts on my GFE checklist! This is a travesty!"
Hee hee...but that's just me.
Well...tell ya what...the day you fellas start giving out BBBJ's maybe I will too...until then I think I'll continue to not drink and drive, eat unidentified fungi, or run with Ginsu knives.
As far as I'm concerned, GFE means you leave relaxed, happy, and already planning a return visit. Why? Because you felt like you spent time with an old friend, had some of the best sex you ever had, and at no time suddenly stopped the action proclaiming loudly, "Wait! We have missed one of the specified sexual acts on my GFE checklist! This is a travesty!"
Hee hee...but that's just me.
"I think the combination of both make a GFE, not just service over personality or visa versa."
Bingo! A pooner has only his personal and limited experiences by which to define GFE, whereas SPs, in dealing effectively with the very different personalities they see daily and the ever-present, intensely personal, and incredibly important psychological component of the exchange really get a better overview, IMHO.
Bingo! A pooner has only his personal and limited experiences by which to define GFE, whereas SPs, in dealing effectively with the very different personalities they see daily and the ever-present, intensely personal, and incredibly important psychological component of the exchange really get a better overview, IMHO.
It seems to me , and not to be rude , that it is the clients who should define the term .
Because it is a positive term the Sp should not be "reinventing " it to fit the level of service that she is comfortable providing just so she can call herself that , like it's some kind of girl scout merit badge .
Gfe is whatever the majority of clients think it is and I'm afraid that includes BBBJ whether you wish to provide that or whether the client wishes to receive it .
I would agree that someone who provides a gfe service but who is nonetheless a b*tch would have difficulty fitting the category .
Because it is a positive term the Sp should not be "reinventing " it to fit the level of service that she is comfortable providing just so she can call herself that , like it's some kind of girl scout merit badge .
Gfe is whatever the majority of clients think it is and I'm afraid that includes BBBJ whether you wish to provide that or whether the client wishes to receive it .
I would agree that someone who provides a gfe service but who is nonetheless a b*tch would have difficulty fitting the category .
imcndn has hit it on the head. A fluid definition, or scale is important. A recent SP I was with provided only cbj, but in my mind she was more of a GFE as the rest of what we did seemed to click very well, while the other SPs were just not as much of a GFE to me.
Useless, no. It isn't specific enough to meet everyones needs, but it is enough so people have a bit of an understanding of what it means.
This is a YMMV situation, a hard and fast definition isn't possible, or we wouldn't keep posting about it.
This is a YMMV situation, a hard and fast definition isn't possible, or we wouldn't keep posting about it.
Sorry Dani, I disagree. If everything is on the menu, to me that means you're more PSE then GFE.Dani said:
A thought. It seems that when we start talking about GFEs and PSEs, that the ladies are either one or the other. I think these two terms are at oposite ends of the 'range of services' being offered by the ladies.
When I see PSE, I think it refers to 'wild, hot sex where anything goes' and doesn't fit in with my picture of a GFE - which is a gentler, more intimate experience. Most of the ladies are neither GFE or PSE - they are somewhere in the middle. Some may lean towards GFE; others may lean towards PSE; but they aren't really offering either experiences.
I think that's more PSE, particularly the BBBJ, BBBJTC, and DFK. GFEs would play it safe - CBJs and LFK - after all, they are SPs and are not in a monogomus relationship.CyberGoth said:
I think that when the guys are listing services for GFE, they may be listing what they'd like their 'real-life girl friends' to offer them; if they did, the guys wouldn't have to spend all this money on SPs.
But 'real-life girl friends' tend to have only a few partner's at a time. I think we need to keep in mind that we ARE talking about SPs and that they will have had a lot more 'boy friends' then a real-life girl friend.
Play Safe!
The sex part doesn't come into play in my definition. I think a GFE means they try harder to make that connection one would get from a girlfriend, and they might try to get to know their client a little better, or at least make it seem that way. A PSE wouldn't try that, sex is the only thing there. Do all PSE kiss? No. Do all GFE's kiss? Mine have. But kissing isn't the only thing. A PSE doesn't want to listen to you, a GFE seemingly does.
Like I said above, it is a scale thing, and despite all the postings we have on the subject, there will never be a single definition all of us will be able to live with.
Like I said above, it is a scale thing, and despite all the postings we have on the subject, there will never be a single definition all of us will be able to live with.
