LOL.
Did you really think this was a bluff you would win when the database was linked to earlier in the thread?
C'mon Phil, even you don't normally fumble and fold this badly.
Gizzlaine Maxwell to be pardoned.
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LOL.
Did you really think this was a bluff you would win when the database was linked to earlier in the thread?
C'mon Phil, even you don't normally fumble and fold this badly.
I'm more or less in agreement. There is probably not much that is criminally actionable to any great degree.
There will be a lot about what was found in the investigation, which will be gross, but won't be enough to get convictions.
Some people will take hits for that, but lots of people will be able to weather it.
Oh, I don't expect this to "take him down". (I'm not even sure what that would mean.)
I am pointing out the pattern - his supporters will generally move the goal posts (or state goal posts that can be moved) to allow them to not stop supporting Trump.
It's what we've seen since 2015 and his start as a major political figure.
That's not likely to change now. (Obviously the totals of people supporting him this way might, but the pattern used by those who will is unlikely to change.)
Trump and company are the ones who demanded this.So its only appropriate to go after when he wins?
The Democrats free-rode in the wake of that self-inflicted wound.
We're talking about impeachment. Perhaps short of that what is revealed could impact the midterms.
I myself don't think there will be anything so earth shattering that they will significantly impact either party.
Perhaps it's best to get the files released and out of the way.
After Trump's Presidency, I'm fairly sure no one will care about an 82 year old's past.
And? The democrats went after him on "hush money" while they have the epstein files...
make it make sense....was it inappropriate going after then?
The perpetual sliming of Donald Trump is entertaining at least.And? The democrats went after him on "hush money" while they have the epstein files...
Trump's not going to be impeached again.
No one has EVER been impeached and removed.
Trump already received the most bi-partisan impeachment votes EVER and it wasn't enough.
The very structure of impeachment means it is basically useless.
Same with the 25th amendment, it is extremely unlikely to be invoked and it would be almost impossible to actually remove him that way.
Like I said earlier, it is much harder to get rid of an American President than a Canadian Prime Minister. (Outside of the actual general election itself.)
It could absolutely impact the midterms.
The problem is that this is all a year out, which means whatever impact it would have would be much diminished by the time the midterms roll around.
It would still be there, but it is unlikely to be the major driver unless some new revelations happen closer to the actual voting.
(It could definitely affect some primaries, though, since those start soonish.)
The only reason this is a problem is that Trump and co made it one.
They were the ones campaigning on it and making a big deal and they were the ones who read it and then changed their mind.
That is what convinced people there was really something there.
If you mean it is very likely that "he's too old and no longer a political force, what is even the point of prosecuting him" will be the line, then I agree.
That was the line used after his first term as well. No reason they won't try and repeat it.
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Why would going after someone for a crime be inappropriate?And? The democrats went after him on "hush money" while they have the epstein files...
(And yes, you and yours thought it was, if I recall.)
We are talking about releasing files from a different criminal investigation for political gain.
These are two different things.
It only doesn't make sense if you are dedicated to not being able to make sense of it.
I don't think Trump supporters and more benign observers thought he was done politically.
On the flip side, Trump's detractors went after him fast and furiously with prosecutions.
How many times have Democrat politicians try to implicate Trump with epstein? So you're admitting this is a fishing expedition?good to know.
Even here there were numerous people saying he was done and therefore any prosecutions were political malfeasance.
That Trump was only able to run again because of how unfair it all was.
You had Senators saying they weren't voting to impeach because he was already out of office and it should be handled by the legal system then turning around and saying he couldn't be tried since he was no longer in office and it didn't matter.
The whole point was to spread the lie that actually prosecuting him was unfair and then argue about each element.
If he did something unethical, well, if it was really a crime he would be prosecuted.
If he was investigated, it was an unfair political hit job.
The pattern has been clear for a decade or so now.
It isn't going to suddenly change.
It's a self-inflicted wound by Trump and the GOP.
The Democrats weren't implicating him with Epstein until Trump decided to act squirrelly about the Epstein thing.
The whole Epstein thing was supposed to be about taking down Democrats, remember?
You asked why Biden and the Dems release the material, because you seem to think that everyone is in favour of using the government for personal revenge.
The only logic you can see for not doing it is that they looked at the material and didn't find anything they could use.
It reveals a great deal about your way of thinking.
Third time lucky?
The only way impeachment works on the third attempt is if he loses all of the party as well.
Surely you can see you are swabbing the forum with very general statements.
People can have their view that Trump is a bad person.
However, I think you are leaning into this idea that the quantity of accusations and prosecution makes for quality convictions.
Social media has been inundated with this concept for over eight years.
Indicating Trump was personal revenge... Jan 6 for example...you wanna deny it go ahead.
Yes, this is a general statement about the pattern by his supporters.
It would be silly to assume this applies to every human who has ever supported him.
Humans are more complicated than that.
That doesn't invalidate the fact the general pattern exists.
One would hope that everyone has a view that Trump is a bad person.
Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that to at least some degree is very worrying.
Not at all.
I've been accused repeatedly here of being terrible because I point out that the idea a conviction is necessary to believe a crime was committed is ridiculous nonsense.
The entire concept of justice based on "innocent until proven guilty" as a check on government power means that getting a conviction is a much higher bar than reasonably understanding someone has been doing bad shit.
That's the whole point of this defence, of course. Constantly retreat backwards and insist on a conviction of a specific thing in a specific way to break with Trump and anything less just doesn't really count.
It's very effective because it allows for the soothing of a lot of cognitive dissonance.
Social media is inundated with all kinds of bullshit.
Indicating what about Trump?
Or do you mean "indicting" Trump for January 6?
Well, there you go.
You see that as personal revenge, which is wildly detached from reality.
Mind you, since you are a dedicated troll, it is pretty easy to assume you aren't that detached from reality and just think this is good shtick to "own the libs".
Its been interesting to watch the decline of standards of politicians through the years. It used to be that being found to have lied in public was enough for a politician to resign and end their career. Or that accusations of wrongdoings would be enough to resign or at least step down during investigations.
