I took my car into a Gm dealership 2002 malibu for their so called winter checkup! It includes oil change, test battery and wheel rotation and check your brakes! So i left the car there and went to the mall and left him my cell number! Well i get a call and they say my brakes pads are wornout(28k) on themThey say i need new pads turn down rotors turn down drums in rear they said that because of the front brakes were bad it cause the drums to be defective. Ok driving in the city has worn down a bit. But 28k and they wanted to charge me $543.95 plus taxes! I told him ok to go ahead have have car for work. I thought later iam going to see the Main service supervisor, so he says that you know that your car brakes should be serviced at 30k, here is the topper ok He tells me that if i had let them go any further over say 30k Gm would not cover under warranty! and listen to this he says that Gm has a problem with the brakes on almost all of the cars specially the first set and they had a notice sent out to the dealers to give any brake work free because it a known problem well after that I couldn't believe this so if you have a GM every 30k you will be gettin a brake job according to them ! I know this is a longpost but anybody had this happen to them! ( after complaining it went from$ 543 to $210)
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Lesson 1. Never buy GM...or Ford...or Chrysler. Imports only.
My Toyota has almost 70k and on my last inspection my brakes were fine. Only a bit of rust needed to be removed at the edge of the rotor were the pads don't touch.
My Toyota has almost 70k and on my last inspection my brakes were fine. Only a bit of rust needed to be removed at the edge of the rotor were the pads don't touch.
Brakes is a very bad example of "defective" product. How much wear you have is mostly affected by your driving style. If you're somebody that lurches to a stop and start, then your brakes will go MUCH faster than someone who takes it easy. It's all on you.
I used to burn through brakes like crazy, but now I take it easy and they last much longer. I drive a GM car and have only had the brakes done once - and I'm over 90k km, so it's a definite case of YMMV (so to speak).
I used to burn through brakes like crazy, but now I take it easy and they last much longer. I drive a GM car and have only had the brakes done once - and I'm over 90k km, so it's a definite case of YMMV (so to speak).
All dealers are crooks. They sucker us in to pay for un-needed repairs b/c the majority of ppl don't know anything about cars and we trust their so called expertise.
I have a customer with a fleet of 2003 Malibus and am doing the brakes between 21000 and 35000 km. When gm designed the brake system the designed it severly undersized for the car. The same can be said for most gm cars we see them in anywhere from 30,000 km and up. As for what you should have paid for pads and rotors on that malubu you should havbe paid around $325 (includind ceramic pads)plus the rear brake clean and adjust ($40). Be very carefull when you go to the dealer their rotors use a very different formulation of steel and are practically disposal.
Well then,move to Japan,dickhead!! Putting people out of work cuz you think that Godammed imports are so much better is really the answer to all the problems in this country,isnt it?Tyler1 said:
Any North American car is just as good or better then any import,but you guys are all so biased towards anything thats imported,it just has to be better according to you!
Any dealer worth its salt will fix this brake problem as well!
I would agree that supporting imports over N.American built cars is a bad idea in the longrun. The auto industry has a HUGE impact on the Canadian economy (something like 70% of all manufacturing jobs - or was it all jobs, I can't remember - can be linked back to the auto sector). Buying imports means that money is going offshore. Even if you buy an American car, the Big Three still have to manufacture at least 1 car in Canada for every car bought in Canada (according to the AutoPact of 1965).
I've had brakes last anywhere from 2 miles to 100K miles. It's more Driver, condition, and model oriented than anything else. IF you want your brakes to last slow down, spread out and get all the heavy stuff you don't need out of your car.
How true. The other problem is there are so amny dishonest/dumb people mixed up in the trade that it's hard to tell if you have a problem or not. These brake and muffler shops make so much off some of these jobs and it's easy to sell someone a real scare job. I've see too many times where they tell someone that if they don't do A,BC ... X,Y,Z then you are going to die imediately, where in reality only a few of these things need to be done. The biggest fear I have is that as more and more people get lied to, they wont listen to someone when they have a real problem.
You are WRONG my friend.Dan****an said:
First off GM builds the worst quality cars in the world. I have a 98 Park Avenue (the top of the line Buick). At 122,000 km, the cheap fucking plastic intake manifold cracked and the coolant mixed with the oil and destroyed the big end connecting rod bearings.
www.gm-v6lemons.com
www.gmjunk.com
There are websites devouted to this problem!!!!
Solution, needed an entirely new engine. $5,000.00 thank you very fucking much.
The car is a piece of shit.
An electrical system that is a disaster:
Fuel guage problem, rear window defogger that caught on fire (yes, the heated backlite antenna module (which the defroster circuit goes through) melted and caught on fire, an alarm system that sounds as I am driving down the street, 3'rd alternator, inoperative heated seat ($1,500.00 to repair - forget it), faulty AC compressor, dash lights burning out that can not be replaced. Computer problems, 10" of water built up in the trunk, a drivers door handle that snapped off. Rear brakes every 35,000 km due to warped rotors, water pump, front wheel bearing ($500.00 a pop). Leather that is cracking up, peeling paint, a suspect transmission (knock on wood) rust spots, power door lock switch that fell into the door.
It just never ends.
Fuck GM, if they can't build a decent quality car, i am not going to give them any more of my money ever again. And i used to love GM's, still love the old ones. But the new ones aren't designed by engineers, they are specified by accountants. GM is more interested in selling you coffee cup holders, power points, onstar, and DVD players then they are interested in building solid engines and transmissions.
My ex GF had a Toyota Camry that had 300,000 km on it. All it ever needed was an exhaust system and brakes, oh, and one radiator. The thing was well built with quality parts.
Last time i checked, the Malibu was built in Mexico, the Toyota Camry is built in Ontario Canada. Hondas are built in Alliston Ontario.
your experience with spinning around while braking is you... not the car... Was it rear wheel drive? Do you know how to handle the difference?
I think the courtesy shuttle is part of the "screw you" attitude of dealers....
They get you far away from your car and then wait till late in the day to call and tell you all the stuff you need fixed. You want your car at the end of the day and you want it working so you agree to the work.
They don't want you there to go look at the "problem"
I had a malibu in 1999. The brakes are undersized. I went through rotors and pads and they replaced them under a service bulletin. But when the intake manifold gasket went at 100,000 km they wanted almost $900 to fix it ($250 for the part)
I had a private mechanic fix the same problem for $400 ($80 for the part)
How the hell does the private guy buy the same GM part for a third the price a GM dealership wants to sell it for??? CROOKS all of them.
Don't trust WESTWOOD Chev at dixie/401
I think the courtesy shuttle is part of the "screw you" attitude of dealers....
They get you far away from your car and then wait till late in the day to call and tell you all the stuff you need fixed. You want your car at the end of the day and you want it working so you agree to the work.
They don't want you there to go look at the "problem"
I had a malibu in 1999. The brakes are undersized. I went through rotors and pads and they replaced them under a service bulletin. But when the intake manifold gasket went at 100,000 km they wanted almost $900 to fix it ($250 for the part)
I had a private mechanic fix the same problem for $400 ($80 for the part)
How the hell does the private guy buy the same GM part for a third the price a GM dealership wants to sell it for??? CROOKS all of them.
Don't trust WESTWOOD Chev at dixie/401
The problem with GM isn`t the guys who build them.
The problem with GM is shit designs, with shit quality parts.
I don`t care what J fucking D power says. I own a GM and it is A FUCKING PIECE OF USELESS SHIT. I get a sick feeling every time i get in the thing wondering what is going to fall off that car today. That car has been on the end of a tow truck 4 fucking times in the last 12 months.
Today`s GM car is designed by accountants pinching pennies everywhere they think the public won`t notice. The engineers take a back seat to the bean counters at GM.
My Buick was purchased brand fucking new and has been looked after at every stage of the game. It is nothing but a disappointment and I will never ever buy another GM again as long as i live. I don`t care if my brother worked at GM and got me a car at half price, it`s not worth the agrivation.
Tell me that it is normal for a car to have a plastic intake manifold that cracks and requires you to replace the engine at 122,000 km.
Shit engineering, shit quality, shit cars, shit service, shit customer treatment, shit corporate responsibility. That`s GM.
Here`s a thread i posted on terb quite some time ago about my problems with my 3800 equipped with a cheap plastic intake manifold......
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17695&highlight=plastic+intake+manifold
The problem with GM is shit designs, with shit quality parts.
I don`t care what J fucking D power says. I own a GM and it is A FUCKING PIECE OF USELESS SHIT. I get a sick feeling every time i get in the thing wondering what is going to fall off that car today. That car has been on the end of a tow truck 4 fucking times in the last 12 months.
Today`s GM car is designed by accountants pinching pennies everywhere they think the public won`t notice. The engineers take a back seat to the bean counters at GM.
My Buick was purchased brand fucking new and has been looked after at every stage of the game. It is nothing but a disappointment and I will never ever buy another GM again as long as i live. I don`t care if my brother worked at GM and got me a car at half price, it`s not worth the agrivation.
Tell me that it is normal for a car to have a plastic intake manifold that cracks and requires you to replace the engine at 122,000 km.
Shit engineering, shit quality, shit cars, shit service, shit customer treatment, shit corporate responsibility. That`s GM.
Here`s a thread i posted on terb quite some time ago about my problems with my 3800 equipped with a cheap plastic intake manifold......
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17695&highlight=plastic+intake+manifold
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Apparently the Buick Regal built in Oshawa is the high rated car in terms of customer satisfaction.
Regarding brakes, if you want the brakes to last longer, look at the way you drive, and look for a car that has preferably four wheel disc brakes with large rotors. Less pressure per square inch on the rotors and pads when braking and therefore longer life.
Regarding brakes, if you want the brakes to last longer, look at the way you drive, and look for a car that has preferably four wheel disc brakes with large rotors. Less pressure per square inch on the rotors and pads when braking and therefore longer life.
