GM to Discontinue Gas and Diesel Burning Vehicles by 2035

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Simply revamp the Power grid in North America then. Should have been done years ago anyways.
Need some help ask the Swiss and Chinese engineers how it's done. They have done far more than North America in this regards. They are 'forward thinking'. Then again they don't have BIG OIL obstruction we have to deal with over here, only hiring more lawyers, for fear of losing their grip on maintaining old antiquated energy policies mainly benefiting them.
 

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Simply revamp the Power grid in North America then. Should have been done years ago anyways.
Need some help ask the Swiss and Chinese engineers how it's done. They have done far more than North America in this regards. They are 'forward thinking'. Then again they don't have BIG OIL obstruction we have to deal with over here, only hiring more lawyers, for fear of losing their grip on maintaining old antiquated energy policies mainly benefiting them.
Germany has the highest electricity rates in Europe green energy and renewables are unreliable and expensive
 

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I'm thinking of buying an EV car in my next auto purchase but I will wait another 10 years or a little more because my current vehicle has still been running well. By that time, I think the prices of EV vehicles will be similar to buying Honda CRV or Toyota Camry today. I hope that my thinking will be right.

Reading this discussion, looks like Nio and Tesla will dominate the EV vehicles' market in the future. Let's buy more stocks of Nio and Tesla. I think Tesla stocks are no so expensive which propels the company's R&D engine.

Let other people to figure out on the upgrade of power grids, expansion of charging stations and improving batteries capacity and charging time. For me, I'm waiting to take a hot and young Korean chick with me in my new EV vehicle. LOL May be, Hyundai and Genesis will have mass production of EV vehicles by that time and my young Korean chicks will appreciate more while sitting in my brand new Genesis EV vehicle LOL.
 
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Not so.
Right now China has ~1 million EVs on their roads. That number of EVs will only grow by the year in China. They do this to help clean up their polluted air.
Tesla EVs are very popular in China but are pricey.

NIO EVs are just another popular EV choice in China. NIO is considered a super luxury EV and makes Tesla EVs look dated and OLD! Plus NIO costs ~ 50% less than Tesla. NIO solved the long wait on battery charging by swapping batteries when you are low on juice, for FREE! Takes ~3-5 minutes to swap a low battery for a new fully charged battery. China built up an infrastructure to do this. It works well. You can also charge a NIO as others are charged at EV Charge stations or in you garage or at home.

Right now their are ~6000 NIO EVs in the USA in California. Of course Tesla, Detroit and Big Oil want NO more NIO EVs coming to the USA.
Of course Chinese grid is mostly powered by coal, so they would be better off by following the Western solution from 25 years ago and establish emission standards for their INC vehicles, first.
 

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China can freely charge their EVs with power
produced from burning dirty coal. They did not
adopt EV to lower emission. They are looking
to become the manufacturer of Tesla and other
EVs for the world. This is how renewable energy
is going to create jobs under Biden.
 

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I'm thinking of buying an EV car in my next auto purchase but I will wait another 10 years or a little more because my current vehicle has still been running well. By that time, I think the prices of EV vehicles will be similar to buying Honda CRV or Toyota Camry today. I hope that my thinking will be right.
My last 4 vehicles have been leased due to favorable lease rates and like having the vehicle under full warranty for my lease duration. Next vehicle will be EV.

Reason EVs have high cost now is due to being new and low volume. Once mass volume production ramps up prices will drop significantly. Face it EVs have less parts than gas and diesel powered vehicles. Evs have no; radiators, antifreeze requirements, emission systems, exhaust systems, fuel tanks and related systems, multi-geared transmissions, lower maintenance requirements, to mention a few that will lower cost of EVs.

18 wheel semi EVs will be even far more economical when they replace current diesel semis as shown here:

Fact is gas and diesel powered vehicles are going the way of the horse & buggy.
 
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This video shows a coal burning steam locomotive. It's being pushed by a modern diesel electric locomotive. As better as the diesel electric actually is on paper it doesn't matter compared to the one that seems alive does it?

If those two locomotives were men who would be getting laid?

 
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The superior EV economics are explained here:
Again. What's the useful load? Roads, bridges, ramps, tires, suspensions are designed with weight restriction. The freight is sold mostly based on weight/mile and time. If the battery pack is quarter of the weight, there goes the profit margin because the infrastructure cannot be changed to accommodate heavier vehicles. So, Tesla 18 wheeler looks nice, but it cannot carry full freight. And buying a full sized truck to carry half or 3/4 load is not economically viable.
 
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Power grid in North America will have to be entirely
revamped into a network to connect together all of the
renewable and nuclear power stations many of which
to be built in remote locations in the near future. I don't see
any alternative if our society and our industrial infrastructure
are to be weaned off fossil fuel. Copper will be as valuable as
gold sooner or later.
Uh, yeah.

Nuclear is just a disaster waiting to happen. Plus everyone likes to ignore or forget or be blissfully ignorant of the big problem associated with nuclear power is , what do you do with all that nuclear waste that is generated? It's lethal stuff. In fact, it's lethal for tens of thousands of years. Yet we keep thinking that nuclear is the great panacea. Right now in Canada, we have no clue what to do with nuclear waste, so we store in giant pools to keep it cool. And well, it needs to be kept cool, um, forever. Put that into context. You need to keep it cool for 10,000 years. 2,000 years ago, JC went walking around in the middle east. Where was mankind 10,000 years ago? Um yeah, great idea.

As far as hydro goes (my personal favourite), all the best sites in Canada have been developed. As such, the only way to develop more hydro dams is massive flooding to create the necessary reservoirs. Then there's the costs of the installations. Hugely expensive. Just look at what is happening in Newfoundland associated with the new Muskrat Falls project. God Bless Newfoundland, I think it was a great decision and one that will truly pay off in the long run, however, it's been a NIGHTMARE for the province. The lesson from Muskrat falls is that it's HUGELY expensive and it will be mired in controversy. Without a doubt.

Believe it or not, the best way to generate electricity is by burning natural gas or coal (gasp). When you look at what the old coal plants put out in terms of Megawatts, it's astounding. Nanticoke for example put out 4,000 Megawatts of power. 4,000!!. And incredibly cheaply at that. And yes, it was burning coal, however, with the technologies they had, pollution, real pollution was effectively 0. But C02 was not 0 and depending on whether you believe that CO2 is a pollutant or not, it was or was not a problem. But, the province shut it down 10 years ago and replaced it with a solar farm that takes up a massive tract of land and generates, wait for it........

40 Megawatts.

Woo hoo.

40/4,000 = 1/100'th as much power from a massive solar farm as opposed to a thermal generation plant.

Bottom line, it's not so simple and physics can be so boring to people who prefer to dream.
 

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Simply revamp the Power grid in North America then. Should have been done years ago anyways.
Need some help ask the Swiss and Chinese engineers how it's done. They have done far more than North America in this regards. They are 'forward thinking'. Then again they don't have BIG OIL obstruction we have to deal with over here, only hiring more lawyers, for fear of losing their grip on maintaining old antiquated energy policies mainly benefiting them.
Thanks for my laugh of the day.

Question: How are you going to pay for it? All for it, but that is a teensie weensie problem.

As to asking the Chinese anything, uh, no thanks. Anyone who has ever worked with Chinese anything knows what an unmitigated disaster that is.

Besides, the Chinese solution for power generation is to build hundreds of coal fired plants with no pollution control systems whatsoever. Great idea!!!
 
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I'm thinking of buying an EV car in my next auto purchase but I will wait another 10 years or a little more because my current vehicle has still been running well. By that time, I think the prices of EV vehicles will be similar to buying Honda CRV or Toyota Camry today. I hope that my thinking will be right.

Reading this discussion, looks like Nio and Tesla will dominate the EV vehicles' market in the future. Let's buy more stocks of Nio and Tesla. I think Tesla stocks are no so expensive which propels the company's R&D engine.

Let other people to figure out on the upgrade of power grids, expansion of charging stations and improving batteries capacity and charging time. For me, I'm waiting to take a hot and young Korean chick with me in my new EV vehicle. LOL May be, Hyundai and Genesis will have mass production of EV vehicles by that time and my young Korean chicks will appreciate more while sitting in my brand new Genesis EV vehicle LOL.
You'd have to be insane to buy Tesla stock.

1. I think they've had one or two profitable quarters.

2. The stock is priced on the electrical vehicle market completely taking over the ICE vehicle market and until all the issues are overcome (like charging a car in 2 minutes to get 1,000 km out of it, like the lack of capacity in the electrical system, like the electrical grid that we have which cannot support everyone charging electrical cars an a pile of others) ICE vehicles will not be going anywhere.

3. The P/E ratio of Tesla is about 1,300 last time I checked. That's fucking crazy. You have to be insane to buy a stock with a P/E ratio that high. At those levels, the market has priced in TESLA basically becoming the entire automotive industry. All well and good, but Toyota, GM, Ford, VW, BMW, et al all know how to build cars a whole hell of a lot better than Tesla and they all have electric vehicles and more to come. Tesla will not be able to take over the whole industry. Good grief.
 

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You'd have to be insane to buy Tesla stock.
Agree! Tesla is on a bubble and overvalued.

NIO is the stock to buy.

A buddy told me to get NIO last year, I didn't.

He bought $5,000 worth NIO stock in Jan 2020 which turned into $112,000 in Dec 2020 at years end!
 

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Just more evidence of what was posted earlier.
Internal combustion engines are going the way of the horse & buggy.
EVs, LPG, CNG and upcoming Vehicles with fuel cells are the way of the future.

GM and Ford stock are becoming very attractive again.
 
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I came across this video tonight and thought it would be a good addition to the thread. Is it pessimism or realism?

 
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I came across this video tonight and thought it would be a good addition to the thread. Is it pessimism or realism?
Neither!
It is basically the usual expected BIG OIL 'fake news' they have been spouting for years.

Fact is had Pres. Jimmy Carter's 'Project Independence' been developed and followed up upon from over 40 years ago, instead of being killed by Reagan at the behest of Big OIL, the demise of Internal combustion engines would be ancient history today, having happened many years ago. By now all vehicles would most likely be EV or run on Hydrogen fuel cells.
 

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GM to Discontinue Gas and Diesel Burning Vehicles by 2035

The entire province of Alberta just collectively shit its pants.
 

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GM to Discontinue Gas and Diesel Burning Vehicles by 2035

The entire province of Alberta just collectively shit its pants.
Lot if that going round in Arab countries and Texas also.
 

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Automakers are going green to save money, not just the planet
There's good reason for that radical change: EVs are not only key to complying with tougher environmental regulations, but they are also far cheaper to manufacture.
Electric vehicles come with several inherent cost advantages — with no internal combustion engine, they have far fewer moving parts, and they require far less labor to assemble.
Ford estimates that an EV will take 30% fewer hours of labor to assemble than a traditional gasoline-powered car.
And the propulsion systems of EVs are much simpler to share across different models than the engines and transmissions that power gasoline vehicles, further increasing efficiency and reducing costs.

 

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i drive a EV as daily commuter car. There is no way I am going back to ICE car unless I am doing long road trip or need a sport car for weekend fun. EV future is coming just matter of time. We are in the era of transportation revolution just like horsing transitioning into cars 100 years ago
 
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