Go Home Mr. Bush
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Ranger68 said:Nope. I argue that the US' best interests would be served by using missile defense money on foreign aid.
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But keep up the rhetoric.
How does weakening home defense strengthen America, when you have pointed out that both China and North Korea seems to have the US targeted?
I am not sure why you are not calling for China and Russia to increase foreign aide and decrease defense spending.
How does the missile defense shield "weaken home defense"? How would foreign aid not *boost* home defense?
Neither China nor North Korea would launch on the US. To do so would be suicidal - and they're not Islamic terrorists. If North Korea didn't have nuclear weapons, the US may already have invaded. It's called deterrence.
Why isn't the US pursuing the ABM treaty with the Chinese?
I'm not calling for China and Russia to increase foreign aid because I have no conduit to their governments and peoples. It would be pointless.
Neither China nor North Korea would launch on the US. To do so would be suicidal - and they're not Islamic terrorists. If North Korea didn't have nuclear weapons, the US may already have invaded. It's called deterrence.
Why isn't the US pursuing the ABM treaty with the Chinese?
I'm not calling for China and Russia to increase foreign aid because I have no conduit to their governments and peoples. It would be pointless.
Ranger68 said:
The US Soth Korea and North Korea signed a treaty a few years back as you might recall. Invading North Korea is quite simply a foolish statement on the part of those who would try to deflect light away from fact.
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Okay, I guess this qualifies as "a few years ago".
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So, why did Bush decide to monstrously endanger that treaty and place them on the "axis of evil"? I can find quotes where he *directly threatens them with military force*, if you'd like.
The US has signed LOTS of treaties - many of them YEARS ago, you'd be interested to know - and has recently begun to break large numbers of them.
LOL You're too much, papasmerf.
Okay, I guess this qualifies as "a few years ago".
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So, why did Bush decide to monstrously endanger that treaty and place them on the "axis of evil"? I can find quotes where he *directly threatens them with military force*, if you'd like.
The US has signed LOTS of treaties - many of them YEARS ago, you'd be interested to know - and has recently begun to break large numbers of them.
LOL You're too much, papasmerf.
I was never privy to the meetings that led Bush to conclude that North Korea having ICBMs or other weapons would be a threat to the world. So in that you need to ask Bush or his cabinet. I am sure you will.
Na you are trying to ask for opinions to be drawn not based on fact but speculation. I just can't anwer your question. And stated so.Ranger68 said:
Yup. You can't answer my question. Or practically any question you're posed. Whether it involves fact-based arguments or opinions.
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Nice try though. Well, not really.
You said that the notion that the US was going to invade NK was foolish. I reminded you - or maybe *informed* you - that the US had directly threatened them, and quite recently - much more recently than the end of the Korean War. You then said you had no idea what Bush was thinking about - which sorta implies that your first statement was utterly false. Nothing to do with "speculation" - just simple logic.
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Nice try though. Well, not really.
You said that the notion that the US was going to invade NK was foolish. I reminded you - or maybe *informed* you - that the US had directly threatened them, and quite recently - much more recently than the end of the Korean War. You then said you had no idea what Bush was thinking about - which sorta implies that your first statement was utterly false. Nothing to do with "speculation" - just simple logic.
the same logic that says the sky is falling.Ranger68 said:Yup. You can't answer my question. Or practically any question you're posed. Whether it involves fact-based arguments or opinions.
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Nice try though. Well, not really.
You said that the notion that the US was going to invade NK was foolish. I reminded you - or maybe *informed* you - that the US had directly threatened them, and quite recently - much more recently than the end of the Korean War. You then said you had no idea what Bush was thinking about - which sorta implies that your first statement was utterly false. Nothing to do with "speculation" - just simple logic.
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Nice rhetoric.
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Again, I'll refrain from arguing with you - it's not even that enjoyable, bashing someone who has such a tiny grasp on reality and rationality. At least some of the others in here can *kinda* represent what they're talking about. Arguing with you is like talking with someone in grade five about these things.
If you had a clue, you'd be dangerous. You don't, so you're easy to ignore.
Buh-bye.
Nice rhetoric.
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Again, I'll refrain from arguing with you - it's not even that enjoyable, bashing someone who has such a tiny grasp on reality and rationality. At least some of the others in here can *kinda* represent what they're talking about. Arguing with you is like talking with someone in grade five about these things.
If you had a clue, you'd be dangerous. You don't, so you're easy to ignore.
Buh-bye.
SDI is a response to the Chinese who are currently investigating the feasibility of putting up nukes in space as a defense to "rogue meteroites" and an effort to push the US ahead of all nations in technology for the upcoming trade wars.
As for North Korea, this joke nation is making a lot of noise because its days are numbered. The US policy of forcing PRK to talk to the ROK, Japan, China, Russia and the US together is a brilliant move. They are forced to face all their possible enemies and benefactors together which doesn't give them much squirming room. This is giving them fits as can be seen by their on again, off again meetings.
I nearly lost it when I heard that Scarey Kerry said he would have unilateral talks with the PRK. This would only legitiimize the PRK's claim that the ROK is merely a puppet government and that all South Korean peoples are slaves to the USA. A reason for the PRK to start a war.
As for North Korea, this joke nation is making a lot of noise because its days are numbered. The US policy of forcing PRK to talk to the ROK, Japan, China, Russia and the US together is a brilliant move. They are forced to face all their possible enemies and benefactors together which doesn't give them much squirming room. This is giving them fits as can be seen by their on again, off again meetings.
I nearly lost it when I heard that Scarey Kerry said he would have unilateral talks with the PRK. This would only legitiimize the PRK's claim that the ROK is merely a puppet government and that all South Korean peoples are slaves to the USA. A reason for the PRK to start a war.
The twisted ties of war and money. Every country on this earth is behaving like a sycophantic moron believing that there are endless riches in China and therefore cannot jeopordize possible future trade possibilities. Witness the EU pushing to leave China out of the Kyoto treaty. What sense is there in a pollution treaty when you leave out some of the worst violators?
Here's one reason why the PRK is a joke nation: the leader, Kim Jong-Il fancies himself to be one of the most handsome men in the world. He boastfully tells people of the number of women who cannot get enough of him and that any female in his country quickly falls under his good looks (or else they die; seeing how he looks, death may be better). This is a joke leader and therefore a joke country.
Here's one reason why the PRK is a joke nation: the leader, Kim Jong-Il fancies himself to be one of the most handsome men in the world. He boastfully tells people of the number of women who cannot get enough of him and that any female in his country quickly falls under his good looks (or else they die; seeing how he looks, death may be better). This is a joke leader and therefore a joke country.
We need not fear "a joke country".
China is well down the list of polluting countries. And they ARE on the protocol - they've SIGNED it - they are just exempt from the FIRST ROUND of emissions controls. Read it before you criticize.
You haven't answered my question - why isn't the US negotiating with China on these treaties?
China is well down the list of polluting countries. And they ARE on the protocol - they've SIGNED it - they are just exempt from the FIRST ROUND of emissions controls. Read it before you criticize.
You haven't answered my question - why isn't the US negotiating with China on these treaties?
Hmmm...do you see China on this list (especially in Annex B)?
http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/convkp/kpeng.html
In most cases, I would agree with you that joke countries should not be feared but when they have nukes, it's a little different.
As for China, as I tried to make in my previous point, they have said that this is "only for emergency space disasters, end of discussion, do you really want to jeopordize future trade?"
http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/convkp/kpeng.html
In most cases, I would agree with you that joke countries should not be feared but when they have nukes, it's a little different.
As for China, as I tried to make in my previous point, they have said that this is "only for emergency space disasters, end of discussion, do you really want to jeopordize future trade?"
The facts are EXACTLY as I've stated them:
http://www.mct.gov.br/clima/ingles/quioto/signata.htm
As I clearly already indicated, the first round of emissions controls exempts developing nations. When their capacity to emit GHGs rises to the levels of industrialized nations, they will be expected to take part in controls.
Who then cares if NK is "a joke" or not, because clearly they should be paid attention to? Are they a joke or aren't they? Argue the facts, don't soapbox.
If the *US* doesn't want to jeopardize future trade, that's up to them. I think, if they were concerned about China's programs, they'd want to talk. Fact is, they don't. It's not about China. It's about *seeming* to be involved in another arms race, about *seeming* to still have global enemies capable of inflicting massive harm on the US. The ABM was a good, decent treaty, signed for very good reasons. That the US has abandoned it should tell you that its priorities have changed.
http://www.mct.gov.br/clima/ingles/quioto/signata.htm
As I clearly already indicated, the first round of emissions controls exempts developing nations. When their capacity to emit GHGs rises to the levels of industrialized nations, they will be expected to take part in controls.
Who then cares if NK is "a joke" or not, because clearly they should be paid attention to? Are they a joke or aren't they? Argue the facts, don't soapbox.
If the *US* doesn't want to jeopardize future trade, that's up to them. I think, if they were concerned about China's programs, they'd want to talk. Fact is, they don't. It's not about China. It's about *seeming* to be involved in another arms race, about *seeming* to still have global enemies capable of inflicting massive harm on the US. The ABM was a good, decent treaty, signed for very good reasons. That the US has abandoned it should tell you that its priorities have changed.
