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Not to sound obtuse or insensitive, but let me guess.....,suspect; male black, 20-30 years old? Come to think of it isn’t that the description of most these gangland shootings? Obviously there is a gang war going on and our politicians are doing NOTHING because of the bad press involved with going after the gangs. But wait, there’s a handgun ban in the offing, guess who’ll turn over their guns? That’s right, LICENSED gun owners and not the gangbangers. Message to the elected, pull your heads out of your asses and go after the real problem, bring back TAVIS and bring back street checks.
Beharry isn't necessarily a 'black name'. East Indian (Indo) Trinis or Guyanese mostly have that name. Not sure about Sankar. Doesn't sound too black either, but then his first name is Zion. Parents probably liked Reggae. Perhaps he is a 'dougla'. But I guess you actually looked at the released image before making your guess.

Hopefully this guess doesn't go the way of the guesses of that Fredericton shooting because so many TERB-ites high tailed it out of that thread when their joyous guesses proved incorrect. Law enforcement was cut down there but the outrage died faster than you could say "go."
 

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I don't know, I haven't researched crime in Toronto and whether there is a correlation between carding and gun crime.

If we assume carding works, then perhaps it kept crime lower and the year/month in the article was an outlier.
Is carding supposed to replace good investigative police work? Is it a tool for the lazy police officers? From what I heard from colleagues they used to stop even well dressed, well put together, and even some nerdy looking square, dudes. For the hell of it, I guess, because it wasn't only 'saggers' they seemed to be targeting.

What exactly is the process involved? They say random, but on what basis? Are there any documented reports of them umasking a plethora of bad men who wouldn't have been discovered otherwise?
 

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I'm not aware that there is a connection between carding and increased crime. Stops are arbitrary and random. Cops can't stop and search. So if a murderer has a gun in his pocket, he just shrugs and says he's going to 7/11 and what's the cop going to do?

I got carded twice as a teenager - no doubt in response to theories that teens commit break-ins in nice residential areas. Both times, I was returning home from school and lived just 50 yards from where the cop car was parked. THAT cop sure made an impact on the crime rate in my part of town.
 

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Beharry isn't necessarily a 'black name'. East Indian (Indo) Trinis or Guyanese mostly have that name. Not sure about Sankar. Doesn't sound too black either, but then his first name is Zion. Parents probably liked Reggae. Perhaps he is a 'dougla'. But I guess you actually looked at the released image before making your guess.

Hopefully this guess doesn't go the way of the guesses of that Fredericton shooting because so many TERB-ites high tailed it out of that thread when their joyous guesses proved incorrect. Law enforcement was cut down there but the outrage died faster than you could say "go."
Fredericton was a despicable act without question, that however is the exception rather than the norm. The majority of shootings in Toronto are black in black and gang related. Let’s start by admitting the problem first. Secondly, the majority of the firearms being used come through the native reserves straddling the US boarder. Again, there isn’t a politician in the land who has the balls to take on the natives. So absent of that, they’ll go after low hanging fruit and hit legal gun owners who aren’t part of the problem.
 

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Fredericton was a despicable act without question, that however is the exception rather than the norm. The majority of shootings in Toronto are black in black and gang related. Let’s start by admitting the problem first. Secondly, the majority of the firearms being used come through the native reserves straddling the US boarder. Again, there isn’t a politician in the land who has the balls to take on the natives. So absent of that, they’ll go after low hanging fruit and hit legal gun owners who aren’t part of the problem.
Sankar-Beharry is NOT a black name. As I've said and so has Derrick.

Terbites are not the most well versed when it comes to pointing out different races and nationalities. I've seen posters put pictures of Tamils and mistake them for black men due to their darker skin.

Most of the shootings in Toronto are done by Jamaican and Somali youth, rather than just "black" men.
Is anyone consulting these communities instead of throwing a blanket over the problem and labeling it a "black" thing?
 

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Sankar-Beharry is NOT a black name. As I've said and so has Derrick.

Terbites are not the most well versed when it comes to pointing out different races and nationalities. I've seen posters put pictures of Tamils and mistake them for black men due to their darker skin.

Most of the shootings in Toronto are done by Jamaican and Somali youth, rather than just "black" men.
Is anyone consulting these communities instead of throwing a blanket over the problem and labeling it a "black" thing?
There you go with that BS again. You have a problem with people talking about black men, but you then have no qualms talking about Jamaican and Somali men. You are no different, except it's easier to tell by looking at a person if they are black or not than being able to tell if they are Jamaican, Somalian or not.

How many of these guys were born or raised in Jamaica or Somalia? How do you know they came from those countries? Were do you get your info from?
 

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Fredericton was a despicable act without question, that however is the exception rather than the norm. The majority of shootings in Toronto are black in black and gang related. Let’s start by admitting the problem first. Secondly, the majority of the firearms being used come through the native reserves straddling the US boarder. Again, there isn’t a politician in the land who has the balls to take on the natives. So absent of that, they’ll go after low hanging fruit and hit legal gun owners who aren’t part of the problem.
You clearly missed the point of my post as it relates to your smarmy one. You ran in here with your condescending, belittling posture, which is no different from what some guys did in that Fredericton thread only to abandon that one with eggs on their faces. I'm just saying that you may end up suffering the same fate.

But I noticed TERB has a lot of guys who love that race baiting BS. It's faux concern. They don't care about crime and what's happening. They only want to score points by coming on here to validate their bigotry and say "see, see." Their heart wasn't in pieces over those cops. I'd had to look back for that thread but it would be interesting to see how much they cared for the ones in that Dallas shooting.

Anyway, I am yet to see any thread (and I will admit that I don't read them all) where there is a story of a child porn arrest (or something of the sort) followed by posts like yours..."let me guess, White male about 30 to 70 years old."

I remember someone on a different thread after one shooting saying (and I am paraphrasing) 'That's what you get when you have a town with primates of a certain colour'. No one called him out for that shit.

It is what it is, but after a while that shit gets old. We get it already, and understand how you feel. Certain races, nationalities and religions are full of worthless people unike yours. (Speaking in general)
 

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There you go with that BS again. You have a problem with people talking about black men, but you then have no qualms talking about Jamaican and Somali men. You are no different, except it's easier to tell by looking at a person if they are black or not than being able to tell if they are Jamaican, Somalian or not.

How many of these guys were born or raised in Jamaica or Somalia? How do you know they came from those countries? Were do you get your info from?
It's a well known fact that most of these guys are Jamaican and Somali for the most part, the local Toronto caribbean newspapers mention this quite a bit as those from the "black" community do know this, as do the police. It's also a very well known fact that these groups also have high drop out rates from secondary school. Being politically correct does not help this situation, being CORRECT does. Obviously there is a specific problem that is affecting these two groups that is not prevalent in other "black" groups for whatever reason.

Why are guys who are of Trinidadian, Guyanese, Grenadian, Bajan, Ghanian, Nigerian, South African (etc, etc) not as heavily represented in the same crimes that Jamaican and Somali's are?
 

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It's a well known fact that most of these guys are Jamaican and Somali, the local Toronto caribbean newspapers mention this quite a bit as those from the "black" community do know this, as do the police. It's also a very well known fact that these groups also have high drop out rates from secondary school. Being politically correct does not help this situation, being CORRECT does. Obviously there is a specific problem that is affecting these two groups that is not prevalent in other groups for whatever reason.

Why are guys who are of Trinidadian, Guyanese, Grenadian, Bajan, Ghanian, Nigerian, South African (etc, etc) not as heavily represented in the same crimes that Jamaican and Somali's are?
That is not proof. Caribbean newspapers with probably one artice written by a Trini or a Bajan giving their opinion rather than facts? How are these guys Jamaicans? THese guys we see on the news being arrested recently. Are they from Jamaica?

Jamaicans are among, if not the, most educated and accomplished Caribbean people in Toronto. More than Trinis, Grenadian, Guyanese and Bajans. The population of Barbados, Grenada and Trinidad and TObago added up still doesn't reach Jamaica's. And I believe there are far more Jamaicans in Canada than all of those put together. By the way - Many Trinis in crime here. They even seem to be able to find Canadians to kill in T&T. Open your eyes. Are you Trini? Sure hope not.

It's not about being politically correct or not. It's about being factual. How are some of these guys Jamaican?? How are you different from others on TERB? They say it's not all the humans. It's the black ones. You say it's not all the black ones, it's the Jamaican and Somali ones. What next? We wait for Canada Man to say it's not al the Jamaican ones, just the ones for West Kingston?

Testing one-two. Let me see if I understand you. What is PK Subban? What is Andre DeGrasse? What is General Colin Powell?
 

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That is not proof. Caribbean newspapers with probably one artice written by a Trini or a Bajan giving their opinion rather than facts? How are these guys Jamaicans? THese guys we see on the news being arrested recently. Are they from Jamaica?

Jamaicans are among, if not the, most educated and accomplished Caribbean people in Toronto. More than Trinis, Grenadian, Guyanese and Bajans. The population of Barbados, Grenada and Trinidad and TObago added up still doesn't reach Jamaica's. And I believe there are far more Jamaicans in Canada than all of those put together. By the way - Many Trinis in crime here. They even seem to be able to find Canadians to kill in T&T. Open your eyes. Are you Trini? Sure hope not.

It's not about being politically correct or not. It's about being factual. How are some of these guys Jamaican?? How are you different from others on TERB? They say it's not all the humans. It's the black ones. You say it's not all the black ones, it's the Jamaican and Somali ones. What next? We wait for Canada Man to say it's not al the Jamaican ones, just the ones for West Kingston?

Testing one-two. Let me see if I understand you. What is PK Subban? What is Andre DeGrasse? What is General Colin Powell?
DeGrasse is not Jamaican. The police are not allowed to say Jamaican and Somali's are most of the culprits behind shootings. There have been articles written about this in other papers where police were consulted however.

The last article I read was from Royson James in one of the Caribbean papers, who is Jamaican and he admitted that most of the shootings are done by those of Jamaican origin but it's less than 1 percent of the population.

I'd like to see your proof that Jamaicans are among the most educated and accomplished people in Toronto and are better than everyone else like you say. Non Jamaican Caribbean people are way more likely not to be living in the "bad areas," as opposed to Jamaicans. This is common knowledge in The Caribbean community.

StatsCan uses the phrase "Canadians of Jamaican Origin" in this study

It basically states what I've been saying. Jamaicans are very likely to have low incomes and not finish high school. You're being butthurt about identity politics rather than addressing the problem in order to fix this.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/89-621-x/89-621-x2007012-eng.htm#8
 

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DeGrasse is not Jamaican. The police are not allowed to say Jamaican and Somali's are most of the culprits behind shootings. There have been articles written about this in other papers where police were consulted however.

The last article I read was from Royson James in one of the Caribbean papers, who is Jamaican and he admitted that most of the shootings are done by those of Jamaican origin but it's less than 1 percent of the population.

I'd like to see your proof that Jamaicans are among the most educated and accomplished people in Toronto and are better than everyone else like you say. Non Jamaican Caribbean people are way more likely not to be living in the "bad areas," as opposed to Jamaicans. This is common knowledge in The Caribbean community.

StatsCan uses the phrase "Canadians of Jamaican Origin" in this study

It basically states what I've been saying. Jamaicans are very likely to have low incomes and not finish high school. You're being butthurt about identity politics rather than addressing the problem in order to fix this.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/89-621-x/89-621-x2007012-eng.htm#8
No, this is not common knowledge. Only badmind utterances by those from the Eastern Caribbean who still blame Jamaicans for the failure of the West Indian Federation. Small minded.

There are far more Jamaicans or people of Jamaican origin than any other Caribbean people, so it stands to reason there would be more criminals. There are also far more accomplished ones like Michael Lee-Chin and the late G Raymond Chang, both of whom came to Canada as adults but are rarely referred to as Jamaicans, if at all...in the case of Chang...who isn't even a black Jamaican, just to illustrate how silly this is.

Your police chief is of Jamaican origin, but is he really a Jamaican? The man who he beat for the job (Peter Sloly) is from Jamaica though. So too the first black police chief of a major Canadian city - Devon Culnis (Winnipeg). Most of the newscasters, bank managers, doctors (related to and know a few of these) etc etc etc.

General Colin Powell is of Jamaican descent. Is he lauded as a Jamaican by those on the other side who wish to prop him up? Or just plain ole American...and Republican at that.

Canadian of Jamaican origin is a weak way of blaming Jamaicans for Canadian problems. How far back do you go to trace Jamaican origin? 2 or 3 generations? Any other qualifiers? Just one parent? If the other parent is Irish, stick with the Jamaican one for the label? Look at which parent is the mother or the father? Why not stick to born and raised Jamaicans and then label the rest what they are - Canadian? Most of those dudes have never even been to Jamaica.

I am not going to mention Canadian sport because you'll just auto file that under the less likely to finish high school

Shall we call Malcolm Gladwell a Jamaican?

I mean, what do you consider PK Subban???

Is Andre DeGrasse Trini or Bajan? Or is he just plain ole Canadian?

Maybe you should worry about black people as a whole instead of worrying about which corner of the globe some of them may come from. Maybe that way you can fix the problem. All those dudes I see popping up on my TV are probably just plain ole Afro-Canadians until you tell me they are immigrants.
 

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All great points, derrick.

Charlemagne is a bigot.
 

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There are far more Jamaicans or people of Jamaican origin than any other Caribbean people, so it stands to reason there would be more criminals. There are also far more accomplished ones like Michael Lee-Chin and the late G Raymond Chang, both of whom came to Canada as adults but are rarely referred to as Jamaicans, if at all...in the case of Chang...who isn't even a black Jamaican, just to illustrate how silly this is.
Most of your post sounds foolish but this one point is just plain bizarre

You make a false equation that higher population must equal higher number of criminals?

1- Other races (Chinese, Indian) have far more immigrants than Jamaica and yet none of them elect to contribute to criminal stats in anyway near as significant numbers
2- Jamaica is not even largest Caribbean pop for that matter (Cuba, Haiti, and DR are all way larger and yet, again not as big a crime issue)

It is a culture issue for places like Jamaica but trying to write it off by raw population as "expected" is absurd
 

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Gun - 35
Stab - 15
Toronto Van - 10
Assault - 4
Domestic - 3
Unknown/Unreported - 2
Subway/Auto - 2


Domestic includes the "found in apt with obvious signs of trauma" no actual description of weapon etc
Assault includes random beatings, muggings etc without obvious weapon cause of death
Gun includes 1 case "apparent gunshot".... bizarre a case reported in March never actually had a confirmation of cause of death
Gun also includes 1 case gunshot + crash; no indication if shot then crashed or crashed then shot (I included it as gun death but could be auto death)


I find the stabbings far more disturbing than the shootings personally since that would be a terrible way to be killed
 

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Not quite. Minassian killed 10 people with his van, if you deduct that from the total of 70 murders from this year you still have 60, and the total of murders at same time last year was only 35. So thats still 25 more murders then last year:

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-our-summer-of-murder



And of course another shooting last night: https://www.cp24.com/news/man-in-his-20s-killed-in-scarborough-shooting-1.4075296

So make that 71 dead now
Make that 72 dead: https://www.cp24.com/news/one-person-dead-after-brampton-shooting-1.4077336

Cops have named the Yorkdale shooter, so just a matter of time till he gets caught: https://www.cp24.com/video?clipId=1477366
 

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Another Saturday night in the GTA. Several shot and 3 dead (2 in Brampton and 1 in Scarborough). This is not the Brampton that your father knew.

Speaking of mall shootings, anybody remember Sheridan Mall? They chased the victim down and then proceeded to shoot him to death.
https://www.cp24.com/video?clipId=1200216

Looks like London England is also less safe now too. "Make London safe again."
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lon...o-allow-trump-baby-to-fly-above-a3923216.html
 

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You clearly missed the point of my post as it relates to your smarmy one. You ran in here with your condescending, belittling posture, which is no different from what some guys did in that Fredericton thread only to abandon that one with eggs on their faces. I'm just saying that you may end up suffering the same fate.

But I noticed TERB has a lot of guys who love that race baiting BS. It's faux concern. They don't care about crime and what's happening. They only want to score points by coming on here to validate their bigotry and say "see, see." Their heart wasn't in pieces over those cops. I'd had to look back for that thread but it would be interesting to see how much they cared for the ones in that Dallas shooting.

Anyway, I am yet to see any thread (and I will admit that I don't read them all) where there is a story of a child porn arrest (or something of the sort) followed by posts like yours..."let me guess, White male about 30 to 70 years old."

I remember someone on a different thread after one shooting saying (and I am paraphrasing) 'That's what you get when you have a town with primates of a certain colour'. No one called him out for that shit.

It is what it is, but after a while that shit gets old. We get it already, and understand how you feel. Certain races, nationalities and religions are full of worthless people unike yours. (Speaking in general)
.......and what’s the point??? Is it that Toronto has a gang problem that nobody is willing to admit because if they do admit it they’ll then have to deal with it in a meaningful way? Or is it that our politicians are scared shitless of having to take on BLM if the police are turned loose on the gangs? How about the other elephant in the room, the pipeline of illegal guns running through the reserves in he Cornwall/Montreal region. Anyone willing to take on the natives over that one?? I doubt it. But hey, let’s ban handguns because it’s low hanging fruit and the ones who turn their pistols in are not the ones doing the shooting, so that will be just another popcorn fart and nothing will change. The gangland shootings will continue unabated and politicians will continue scratching their empty heads wondering where we went wrong? Here’s a hint, killing TAVIS, ending street checks, removing resource officers from schools and the general malaise of not wanting to do anything
real.
 
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