I don't see it as a dodge, especially since it was a question for FUJI and BC wasn't wrong either.
Hamas Leader says terrorism only way untill Israel is destroyed
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Can you show me where Netanyahu quotes that passage, "completely destroy them", and so on? Or are you saying something idiotic, like if he quotes anything Rebbe ever said that he must support everything Rebbe ever said? You need to provide the quote so we can see it in context, as you have a way of misrepresenting things.Then I expect that you will call out Netanyahu for his support of the Lubavitcher Rebbe, as he uses "Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the LORD your God has commanded you" as his inspiration towards an ethnically cleansed Eretz Israel. Note that the only quotes Netanyahu gave at his UN speech were from Lubavitcher.
Do you apply the same standards to both sides?
Hamas specifically singled out the exhortation to kill all Jews and explicitly put THAT passage into their Charter and explicitly called it the inspiration for their resistance.
I'm still awaiting the day where grog has a valid point. Pretty much all of his hatred gets ripped apart pretty easily by facts but in his favour, he's pretty good at ignoring the facts he doesn't like.nice attempt at dodging the valid point by resorting to a personal insult from left field.......but no cigar
Still trying to figure out how to deal with Israel laying claim to Eretz Israel in their declaration of independence? It goes a long way to explaining why they seem to be colonizing the west bank and golan heightsCan you show me where Netanyahu quotes that passage, "completely destroy them", and so on? Or are you saying something idiotic, like if he quotes anything Rebbe ever said that he must support everything Rebbe ever said? You need to provide the quote so we can see it in context, as you have a way of misrepresenting things.
Hamas specifically singled out the exhortation to kill all Jews and explicitly put THAT passage into their Charter and explicitly called it the inspiration for their resistance.
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Now its getting interesting.Can you show me where Netanyahu quotes that passage, "completely destroy them", and so on? Or are you saying something idiotic, like if he quotes anything Rebbe ever said that he must support everything Rebbe ever said? You need to provide the quote so we can see it in context, as you have a way of misrepresenting things.
Hamas specifically singled out the exhortation to kill all Jews and explicitly put THAT passage into their Charter and explicitly called it the inspiration for their resistance.
You are comparing a document from 1988, never adopted and now considered irrelevant and not used in speeches to a speech last month in front of the world at the UN. No, Netanyahu didn't quote the phrase from the bible, as Hamas hasn't quoted the phrase from the Sahih in the last decade or so, but he did quote only from the Rebbe, who as one of his basic tenants uses the bible quote as justification for violently taking over Eretz Israel.
Netanyahu's use is current, and now you're arguing that Hamas' 23 year old, dis-used charter is more relevant?
Nice try.
You should do what I did, put Basketcase on ignore.nice attempt at dodging the valid point by resorting to a personal insult from left field.......but no cigar
He adds nothing to the debate.
In fact I listened to some clips from the UN speech, and he said NOTHING in it about killing anybody. He did not cite the passage you mentioned. I think you are a liar. He did quote that Rebbe guy, but it was a very innocuous and non-controversial quote. There was nothing whatsoever objectionable about it at all.Now its getting interesting.
You are comparing a document from 1988, never adopted and now considered irrelevant and not used in speeches to a speech last month in front of the world at the UN.
Meanwhile the Hamas charter explicitly calls for the killing of Jews wherever they can be found. Hamas actually did put that in their Charter, and they have never repudiated it. They didn't just quote someone who somewhere else once upon a time said something objectionable. They quoted the objectionable thing itself, explicitly, and called it their inspiration.
You still don't get it, maybe I have to spell this out for you.
Yes, Netanyahu's quotes from the Lebbe are innocuous, but that's not the point. Quoting from someone who thinks they are the messiah and uses the forementioned bible quote as a basis for arguing that violence is justified in pursuit of Eretz Israel, is like quoting Mussolini and saying you only like his pasta recipes. Only an idiot will buy that.
Netanyahu is a follower of some messianic idiot whose work is only a hair more acceptable then Yitzhak Shapiro. At least Hamas says they never adopted the charter and that its no longer relevant, Netanyahu, he just told the world that the Lebbe is the only person he thought was quotable. At least Lubavicher, unlike Shapiro, doesn't argue for the killing of babies.
Really, are you still defending this?
Yes, Netanyahu's quotes from the Lebbe are innocuous, but that's not the point. Quoting from someone who thinks they are the messiah and uses the forementioned bible quote as a basis for arguing that violence is justified in pursuit of Eretz Israel, is like quoting Mussolini and saying you only like his pasta recipes. Only an idiot will buy that.
Netanyahu is a follower of some messianic idiot whose work is only a hair more acceptable then Yitzhak Shapiro. At least Hamas says they never adopted the charter and that its no longer relevant, Netanyahu, he just told the world that the Lebbe is the only person he thought was quotable. At least Lubavicher, unlike Shapiro, doesn't argue for the killing of babies.
Really, are you still defending this?
Sorry Groggy but you are desperately stretching things beyond belief. Just because Netanyahu quoted one thing Rebbe said does NOT mean he supports or endorses everything he has ever said. You are a fucking retard if that is the argument you are trying to make.
As for Hamas, see post #1. They are still on about destroying Israel. They have not changed.
As for Hamas, see post #1. They are still on about destroying Israel. They have not changed.
Quotes from a very recent speech at the UN, where the spotlight shines brightest, easily outweigh words on a 23 year, abandoned piece of paper.Sorry Groggy but you are desperately stretching things beyond belief. Just because Netanyahu quoted one thing Rebbe said does NOT mean he supports or endorses everything he has ever said. You are a fucking retard if that is the argument you are trying to make.
As for Hamas, see post #1. They are still on about destroying Israel. They have not changed.
And you'd have to admit that all of Netanyahu's actions fall within the tenets that the Rebbe preaches.
Really, if your best argument is from 23 years ago, I'd say you're the one that's a bit slow on the uptake.
What did he say at the UN speech that was controversial? What was the specific quote you find objectionable?
Answer: Nothing.
You are grasping at straws, trying to argue that because he quoted something very non objectionable from this guy, that other things the guy he quoted ever said should be held against him????
Bullshit.
You've quoted Hamas from time to time. Can I assume you support and agree with every single thing Hamas has ever said?????
Answer: Nothing.
You are grasping at straws, trying to argue that because he quoted something very non objectionable from this guy, that other things the guy he quoted ever said should be held against him????
Bullshit.
You've quoted Hamas from time to time. Can I assume you support and agree with every single thing Hamas has ever said?????
Again, I said who he quoted from is objectionable, not what.What did he say at the UN speech that was controversial? What was the specific quote you find objectionable?
Stop trying to weasel around.
I'm sure you can find some lovely, harmless quotes from Mussolini as well, its not the point, as you well know.In other words he said nothing objectionable. Whereas there is plainly some pretty fucking objectionable stuff in the Hamas Charter, and Hamas has quite recently repeated some of those objectionable things.
And just for my amusement:
When was the last time Hamas quoted from an objectionable part of the charter.
Can you find anything in the last decade?
So....what are your thought's on Israel Declaration of Independence laying claim to Eretz Israel. You know, the West Bank and the Golan Heights that Israel accidentaly occupied after the surprise attack they launched in 1967 and still hang on to. Do you think there might be a connection?How about their statement in post #1, calling for the destruction of Israel?
Hamas say objectionable things ALL THE TIME. They are indefensible.
And you've been repeatedly shown that Israel also says objectionable things all the time.How about their statement in post #1, calling for the destruction of Israel?
Hamas say objectionable things ALL THE TIME. They are indefensible.
Yet you never call them out about it.
Still lying through your teeth, I see.Unlike Hamas, Israel has clearly and openly stated that it is willing to negotiate borders in exchange for permanent, lasting, and credible peace.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/hamas-accepts-1967-borders-but-will-never-recognize-israel-top-official-says-1.361072Hamas would be willing to accept a Palestinian state within 1967 borders, a leader of the militant group, Mahmoud Zahar, told the Palestinian news agency Ma'an on Wednesday,
