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mandrill

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That is a myth, read the Declaration of Indepenance, it has the reasons for the revolution in it.
Though there are many Americans who believe what you said.
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/myths-and-realities-revolutionary-war
For those who don't like to read, I just found this.
You can FF to 00:56 f you like.
I think the prohibition on the Americans colonizing West of the Appalachians was pretty important. There was a continent of fertile farm land just across the mountains and all the Americans had to do was kill and cheat the Native population to get it. This was a time when 99% of wealth came from farming and owning fertile farmland.

When Britain said "no, you can't", that was pretty annoying.
 
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Today, independence means the potus can sell perfume and pocket all he money personally.

The citizens do not matter. Only the rich do. Fuck the peasants.
 
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It's a country built on slavery! Such a great nation......;)
 

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It's a country built on slavery! Such a great nation......;)
Many countries were built on slavery.
From Quora:
Egypt, Mesopotamia, Greece, Rome, Italy, Sicily, Russia, China, France, Spain, Great Britain and most every civilized people before the USA was involved in slavery. Ghana, Mali, Songhai, Ethiopia. Sudan, Nigeria, and other African countries still have slaves, as of 2015 in Mauritania it was estimated that up to 600,000 slaves exist or 17% of the population.
India has 14.3 million slaves currently, China has 3.2 million, Pakistan has 2.1 million, Uzbekistan 1.2 million, Russia 1 million, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Thailand, there are currently up to 35.8 million slaves world wide.
There are currently more slaves now than at any other time in history. During the Atlantic slave trade, 12.5 million slaves were shipped from Africa to the New World, 10.7 million survived the dreaded middle passage, only 388,000 were shipped to North America, 90% of slaves shipped to the New World went to the Caribbean and South America.
American Indians owned slaves, there were up to 3,775 black slave owners owning up to 12,760 slaves in America.
In the year 1625 up to 30,000 Irish prisoners were sold as slaves and shipped to the West Indies to British settlers. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat (70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves at this time).From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and over 300,000 were sold as slaves.
During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were forcibly taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. Another 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia while 30,000 Irish men were sold to the highest bidder.In 1656, Oliver Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.
African slaves were very expensive (50 Sterling), had to be transported long distances and paid for not only in Africa but in the New World. Irish slaves were cheap (no more than 5 Sterling) and most often were either kidnapped from Ireland, prisoners or forcibly removed. They could be worked to death, whipped or branded without it being a crime.
Many, many times they were beat to death and while the death of an Irish slave was a monetary setback, it was far cheaper than the death of an expensive African. Therefore, African slaves were treated much better in Colonial America.
The importation of Irish slaves continued well into the eighteenth century, long after the importation of African slaves became the norm. Records state that after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia.
Irish slavery didn’t end untilBritain decided to end slavery in 1839 and stopped transporting slaves.
Virtually every racial group on earth has been enslaved at what time or another including whites and blacks by their own racial groups. Slavery continues by the same racial groups and people being enslaved. Black slaves in America are but a small percentage and time period in comparison to slaves world wide, even to present day.
 

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Many countries were built on slavery.
From Quora:
Egypt, Mesopotamia, Greece, Rome, Italy, Sicily, Russia, China, France, Spain, Great Britain and most every civilized people before the USA was involved in slavery. Ghana, Mali, Songhai, Ethiopia. Sudan, Nigeria, and other African countries still have slaves, as of 2015 in Mauritania it was estimated that up to 600,000 slaves exist or 17% of the population.
India has 14.3 million slaves currently, China has 3.2 million, Pakistan has 2.1 million, Uzbekistan 1.2 million, Russia 1 million, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Thailand, there are currently up to 35.8 million slaves world wide.
There are currently more slaves now than at any other time in history. During the Atlantic slave trade, 12.5 million slaves were shipped from Africa to the New World, 10.7 million survived the dreaded middle passage, only 388,000 were shipped to North America, 90% of slaves shipped to the New World went to the Caribbean and South America.
American Indians owned slaves, there were up to 3,775 black slave owners owning up to 12,760 slaves in America.
In the year 1625 up to 30,000 Irish prisoners were sold as slaves and shipped to the West Indies to British settlers. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat (70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves at this time).From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and over 300,000 were sold as slaves.
During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were forcibly taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. Another 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia while 30,000 Irish men were sold to the highest bidder.In 1656, Oliver Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.
African slaves were very expensive (50 Sterling), had to be transported long distances and paid for not only in Africa but in the New World. Irish slaves were cheap (no more than 5 Sterling) and most often were either kidnapped from Ireland, prisoners or forcibly removed. They could be worked to death, whipped or branded without it being a crime.
Many, many times they were beat to death and while the death of an Irish slave was a monetary setback, it was far cheaper than the death of an expensive African. Therefore, African slaves were treated much better in Colonial America.
The importation of Irish slaves continued well into the eighteenth century, long after the importation of African slaves became the norm. Records state that after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia.
Irish slavery didn’t end untilBritain decided to end slavery in 1839 and stopped transporting slaves.
Virtually every racial group on earth has been enslaved at what time or another including whites and blacks by their own racial groups. Slavery continues by the same racial groups and people being enslaved. Black slaves in America are but a small percentage and time period in comparison to slaves world wide, even to present day.
Sources re the Irish slave issue, please?
 

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Many countries were built on slavery.
From Quora:
Egypt, Mesopotamia, Greece, Rome, Italy, Sicily, Russia, China, France, Spain, Great Britain and most every civilized people before the USA was involved in slavery. Ghana, Mali, Songhai, Ethiopia. Sudan, Nigeria, and other African countries still have slaves, as of 2015 in Mauritania it was estimated that up to 600,000 slaves exist or 17% of the population.
India has 14.3 million slaves currently, China has 3.2 million, Pakistan has 2.1 million, Uzbekistan 1.2 million, Russia 1 million, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Thailand, there are currently up to 35.8 million slaves world wide.
There are currently more slaves now than at any other time in history. During the Atlantic slave trade, 12.5 million slaves were shipped from Africa to the New World, 10.7 million survived the dreaded middle passage, only 388,000 were shipped to North America, 90% of slaves shipped to the New World went to the Caribbean and South America.
American Indians owned slaves, there were up to 3,775 black slave owners owning up to 12,760 slaves in America.
In the year 1625 up to 30,000 Irish prisoners were sold as slaves and shipped to the West Indies to British settlers. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat (70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves at this time).From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and over 300,000 were sold as slaves.
During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were forcibly taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. Another 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia while 30,000 Irish men were sold to the highest bidder.In 1656, Oliver Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.
African slaves were very expensive (50 Sterling), had to be transported long distances and paid for not only in Africa but in the New World. Irish slaves were cheap (no more than 5 Sterling) and most often were either kidnapped from Ireland, prisoners or forcibly removed. They could be worked to death, whipped or branded without it being a crime.
Many, many times they were beat to death and while the death of an Irish slave was a monetary setback, it was far cheaper than the death of an expensive African. Therefore, African slaves were treated much better in Colonial America.
The importation of Irish slaves continued well into the eighteenth century, long after the importation of African slaves became the norm. Records state that after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia.
Irish slavery didn’t end untilBritain decided to end slavery in 1839 and stopped transporting slaves.
Virtually every racial group on earth has been enslaved at what time or another including whites and blacks by their own racial groups. Slavery continues by the same racial groups and people being enslaved. Black slaves in America are but a small percentage and time period in comparison to slaves world wide, even to present day.

A somewhat more fact-based reportage on modern slavery.
 

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Many countries were built on slavery.
From Quora:
Egypt, Mesopotamia, Greece, Rome, Italy, Sicily, Russia, China, France, Spain, Great Britain and most every civilized people before the USA was involved in slavery. Ghana, Mali, Songhai, Ethiopia. Sudan, Nigeria, and other African countries still have slaves, as of 2015 in Mauritania ........................................................................
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Which of these nations were found on the principle that is:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
 

mandrill

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Which of these nations were found on the principle that is:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Of course, Blacks weren't considered human beings in America until the 1860's.

And Britain outlawed slavery 30 years before the States did.
 

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So free, that even Nazis roam free. lmfao.
That's what freedom means. Freedom of expression. Freedom of assembly. I'd explain what these things mean, but I don't think you'd understand.
 
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