both of these ringworms piously saying the right things on Remembrance Day...their meaninless platitudes..all the while Veteran Affairs ministry funding is being cut 10%...shameless repugnant garbage...little or any after care for the soldiers coming home from afganistan,guys being jerked around for their pensions...i feel to vomit..
harper and mackay are two faced pieces of garbage
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There are two fairly obvious reasons why Veterans Affairs IS AND SHOULD BE HAVING A BUDGET CUT.
1) The total number of veterans is way down. One reason is the Liberals decimated the Military and the Great War veterans are dying and not being replenished. In World War II Canada was the 4th biggest army in the world. Our NUMBERS HAVE DRASTICALLLY BEEN REDUCED.
2) We are in a huge economic tail spin and there must be cuts found. Veterans Affairs is one place to do this~!
There are two fairly obvious reasons why Veterans Affairs IS AND SHOULD BE HAVING A BUDGET CUT.
1) The total number of veterans is way down. One reason is the Liberals decimated the Military and the Great War veterans are dying and not being replenished. In World War II Canada was the 4th biggest army in the world. Our NUMBERS HAVE DRASTICALLLY BEEN REDUCED.
2) We are in a huge economic tail spin and there must be cuts found. Veterans Affairs is one place to do this~!
So use the same amount to give the ones left even more benefits and services. As they're getting older they'll need more care. We owe them so much, and more.
Its a matter of scale. Our military is so small by yesteryear standards. Proportionally they are doing all right.
Think of it this way. In World WAR I, there were 11,000 Allied troops KILLED AFTER the Armistace (sp) was signed. YES after the WAR WAS OVER. THE numbers are staggering.
TODAY, WE LOSE 156 IN Afghanistan (OVER YEARS) and the repatriation and notoriety is above and beyond what those poor guys in 1918 got.
Its ALL ABOUT SCALE!
Think of it this way. In World WAR I, there were 11,000 Allied troops KILLED AFTER the Armistace (sp) was signed. YES after the WAR WAS OVER. THE numbers are staggering.
TODAY, WE LOSE 156 IN Afghanistan (OVER YEARS) and the repatriation and notoriety is above and beyond what those poor guys in 1918 got.
Its ALL ABOUT SCALE!
VAC can afford some budget cuts to staff. There are a lot fewer veterans from Bosnia, Afghsnistan and other smaller missions. They didn't come home anywhere as physically damaged as WWII vets. It is not fiscally prudent to maintain VAC at the same funding levels, and I say that as a veteran myself. I'd rather that the government focus on improving the economy and finding governmental efficiencies than maintaining poorly managed ministry.
Pray tell since when is the Minister of National Defence responsible for Veterans Affairs?
In the U.S.A. is the Secretary of Defense also the Secretary of Veterans Affairs?
There are really two threads in one here started by the O.P.
1) THE OP hatred for Conservatives.
2) Discussion about Veterans affairs funding.
It seems the OP cannot discuss one without the bias of the other!
1) THE OP hatred for Conservatives.
2) Discussion about Veterans affairs funding.
It seems the OP cannot discuss one without the bias of the other!
I noticed that too, but it was going to let it go, since he seems so fired up about it.
unlike mahovalich who loves the cons and would never criticize harper....what does the second world war have to do with anything? That is ancient history..........you should be comparing the numbers from 5 years ago, not 65.....fact is , the chickenhawks live the high life here in Canada, but send troops to dangerous places for no reason other than to kiss American ass, then welch on their commitment to the survivors and the injured.
Wigg...Once you know history...perhaps you can wade in here.... I was talking about WWI for starters.
And as for Veterans Affairs. its simple math..the number of veterans is in steady decline. its about time someone reeled in the bureocracy in Ottawa, and cut the budget proportionately.
Listen to the Vets in here Wiggs. They understand the cuts as well!!
And I might add... I voted McGuinty in the most recent voting escapade.
I doubt Wiggs even voted!!! Probably because he was 'organizing' the OCCUPY TORONTO fiasco!!!
And as for Veterans Affairs. its simple math..the number of veterans is in steady decline. its about time someone reeled in the bureocracy in Ottawa, and cut the budget proportionately.
Listen to the Vets in here Wiggs. They understand the cuts as well!!
And I might add... I voted McGuinty in the most recent voting escapade.
I doubt Wiggs even voted!!! Probably because he was 'organizing' the OCCUPY TORONTO fiasco!!!
I agree with your sentiment.
But at the end of WWII we had the fourth largest navy in the world, not army.
the OP, me...is offended by the hypocrisy.....cutting 10% from a budget is not alot...not alot to "Improve " our deficit...but Harper and his ilk stand there lauding our toops, while cutting their funding..regardless of the beancounting humps responding to this topic, its disgusting...and Mahovolich.....crops, food get "replenished" not human beings.....and we may be in a economic tailsspin as you say , but cutting a few million from dept there to help our veterans ...to fight debt and deficets on their back is totally wrong....its just sickening....and aarvaark , dont be a simpering jerkoff..i know fully well that Harper and Mackay arent with the veterans affairs..its just that i saw these two, on tv, and i just got so fucking angry..
I think Harper et al are to be commended for doing their budget-balancing cost-cutting without the transparent lies, incompetence and bluster we've had to endure from our new Mayor here in Toronto. Although a similar odour of hypocrisy precedes the tax increase scheduled for the new year, which mocks Harper's earlier oft-repeated claims that payroll taxes were bad and he'd work to abolish them.
There's always a bad consequence that flows from such simple-minded overall targetting; the test is whether the powers that be notice and respond. I'd say that until benefits for current vets can be shown to be better than previous, they have not met that test. But if ever there was gravy, it would be in failing to reduce the DVA staff as the vets themselves passed away.
There's always a bad consequence that flows from such simple-minded overall targetting; the test is whether the powers that be notice and respond. I'd say that until benefits for current vets can be shown to be better than previous, they have not met that test. But if ever there was gravy, it would be in failing to reduce the DVA staff as the vets themselves passed away.
You are so stuck on body count. If you think the 156 lost are the only casualties of the Afghan conflict then you have much to learn. The numbers for the military who have come back with debilitating wounds, visible and invisible is much higher than that, numberings approached 2000 at the end of last year. The invisible ones were ignored by the DOD and VA in the past, but not now, thank goodness. The cost to treating those wounds must be taken into account in the budgets. More of the injured will surface in the future. As someone posted earlier the older the veterans get, the more it costs for each one.
There are over 700,000 vets in Canada and only 226,000 are actually clients of VAC. It's often quoted that 1500 vets die every month, but that number com es from the 700,000 not the 226,000.
Well said but don't worry the new prisons Harper so desperately wants to build can house the veterans who have mental issues. Thank God Harper is thinking ahead. I really do miss the days of minority government.
Then there is the case of the Afghan translator ( one of the best , according to Canadian Officers in the field) who, after being screwed over by immigration for a year, and agreeing to an interview with the Star, was suddenly refused admission to Canada ( even though the Taliban is hunting him)
........classy move, Harper
........classy move, Harper
I will agree, however, did this not also occur under the previous government as well, I seem to recall so.
