Harper the Plagiarizer
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About as much as I approve of your pithy little commentsiamme said:
Actually I think the ads are overdone now and they run the risk of a backlash. It's fairly well established that Dion is a distant 3rd if not 4th as the populations choice for leader so why do it. At best it's a waste of money and at worst there could be a backlash for picking on a poor defenseless guy.
I remember something but I don't recall it as being a worldwide policy or actually anything more than saying something like whether we seek clemency would be determined on a case by case basis. My memory is not perfect about that but I'm fairly certain that it is not applied worldwide.mindingmyownbusiness said:
The specific case in the US was one were the guy was truly guilty of something heinous was it not ?
In any event is our Government not seeking clemency for the two teenagers convicted of killing someone in a schoolyard fight in the Middle East?
They did get involved in that case in Mexico and finally managed to get the woman released did they not ?
Was there a huge objection from any of the opposition parties on this?
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Plagiarism? If only.
Does any of you think it plausible that drafts of such a major speech hadn't been written and approved well before March 18th when Howard gave his speech? That isn't how it works. Harper and Howard both were simply spouting the propaganda provided to them by the Bush White House.
Unfortunately, but unsurprisingly, the Bushies weren't competent enough to provide two speeches. Well, I mean, it's a pity to throw out perfectly decent bullshit when it's only been used just the once. And, really, who in Washington actually gives a shit about Australia or Canada?
If any of you think it's OK for a leader of the opposition, let alone a Prime Minister, to take word for word instruction from Washington for his speeches in the Commons, then you deserve Harper.
For the rest of us; he should immediately resign.
Does any of you think it plausible that drafts of such a major speech hadn't been written and approved well before March 18th when Howard gave his speech? That isn't how it works. Harper and Howard both were simply spouting the propaganda provided to them by the Bush White House.
Unfortunately, but unsurprisingly, the Bushies weren't competent enough to provide two speeches. Well, I mean, it's a pity to throw out perfectly decent bullshit when it's only been used just the once. And, really, who in Washington actually gives a shit about Australia or Canada?
If any of you think it's OK for a leader of the opposition, let alone a Prime Minister, to take word for word instruction from Washington for his speeches in the Commons, then you deserve Harper.
For the rest of us; he should immediately resign.
How many official languages does the US have? The cultures are superficially similar, if all you look at is TV ratings, but they're actually far from identical; the languages thing being just the beginning of it.CapitalGuy said:
As to the speech: It matters not who wrote it, but you do expect the guy who actually spoke the words to take responsibility for them, not fob it off on an underling. And when the speech purports to be an earnest persuasion to Canadians to send their sons and daughters to war, it's entirely relevant whether he's speaking for himself, or parroting—the word fits—the uncredited arguments of some other head of government. It's not a topic to play fast and loose with. Harper should know that and so should his acolytes.
This is idiotic - why would the Bush Administration feed a speech to the Leader of the Opposition in Canada and the Prime Minister of Australia. While something could be gained from the Australian support nothing could be gained from the opposition in Canada. Harper had already supported the US on Iraq previous to this so the actual content of the speech was no unveiling of a new position.Captain Biggles said:
Do you people actually think the US would be stupid enough to have everyone give exactly the same speech......give your heads a shake.
A more likely scenerio was that Harper told the speech writer to write him something insupport of the invasion and the guy took the short cut of plagerizing the Auzzie speech.
Complain about Harper supporting the invasion. That is valid. Very Valid. The Iraq war was wrong, is wrong and eventually everyone will have to go home with their tail between their legs. This is the issue that you have every right to address.
This other stuff is just political bullshit. What is scarey is that you guys lap it up like milk and honey. The conspiracy theory of the US pulling strings is just utter nonsense. If nothing else it's a huge insult to Prime Minister Howard. You people have to get over the notion that more than one person can share an opinion without someone "controlling" everyone.
No offence Don, but you're completely off base with that "private clinic" shot at Layton. For the record, I dislike Layton at least as much as I dislike Harper. So it makes my skin crawl to be defending him about ending up in a "private" clinic.Don said:
He had hernia surgery at the Shouldice Clinic at Bayview & John in Thornhill. Yes, it is technically private but it has been operating as a non-profit hospital under some kind of grandfather clause since before WWll. You won't find a better or more efficient place to get hernia surgery anywhere on the planet. I had hernia surgery there and I was bowled over by the number of people who'd travelled from as far away as Moscow to get previously botched surgeries remediated. It is world famous and we should be proud of the work that is being done there.
When I showed my inguinal hernia to my GP, he said I could go to Toronto East General or the Shouldice. Both would be completely covered by OHIP and both were available to everyone in Ontario. The wait time for the Shouldice was weeks less than for Tor. E. General. My GP was trying not to play favourites but, when I asked him which was better, it soon became obvious that he was in favour of the Shouldice. So I went there and had my hernia repaired by Dr Shouldice Jr. who was 72 yrs old at the time. He's probably dead by now. The point is that anyone in ON can have surgery done there without being aware that it is technically private. It is never mentioned and it is never an issue. So Layton probably stumbled into it the same way I did.
http://www.taxpayer.com/main/news.php?news_id=2195
Wanted: Honest health care debate
“Shocking” news came through the airwaves during the election when NDP leader Jack Layton was “outed” for using a private hospital for hernia surgery. Hopefully the rest of us will soon have access to the same excellent treatment he received at the Shouldice Hospital near Toronto. Considering the blind ideology of the Saskatchewan government, don’t hold your breath waiting for change.
Shouldice Hospital has been operating on hernias since before World War II. The non-profit hospital has used its unique surgical technique to bring relief to more than 300,000 patients. Called the “Shouldice Technique” or “Canadian Method,” Shouldice Hospital’s approach to hernia surgeries has been admired replicated around the world.
Located just outside Toronto on a picturesque country estate, Shouldice boasts 89 beds and impeccable patient care. In the public system, hernia surgeries are usually treated as day surgeries – the patient arrives in the morning, receives the surgery and goes home to recover. At Shouldice, patients are asked to stay in the hospital for two or three nights. They firmly believe a longer hospital stay speeds up recovery. Patients can participate in gentle exercise classes, walk around the 20 acre estate and even practice golf on a putting green. All these factors contribute to their phenomenal 99 per cent success rate. The average North American success rate is less than 90 per cent.
Even better is that patients can get hernia surgery at Shouldice without paying a dime because its covered by provincial health plans.
Shouldice is very proud of the efficiencies that come with exclusively operating on hernias. In general hospitals, disposable surgical supplies can cost as much as $200 to $850 per surgery. At Shouldice, disposables cost $17.82 per surgery.
Yet, despite all the extraordinary work done by Shouldice, Layton was forced to shuffle his feet and justify having surgery done at a private clinic. The questions were perfectly fair as his rhetoric has been openly hostile to private hospitals since the beginning of his political career.
Just last December, Layton was touting a proposed law that would “shut down” private clinics and stop “public money” from “subsidizing” health care “profiteers” who are circling medicare waiting for a chance to strike.
In the case of Shouldice the hospital itself is non-profit, but the doctors inside that hospital, as in any other medical clinic in Canada, certainly don’t do hernia surgeries for charity.
Well since Jack is such a crusader against private clinics, I would assume he would avoid Shouldice simply because of its connection to being a private clinic at all. Of course you can say that he didn't know. Just like Harper didn't know about his speech.
If you could find some way to shit all over that fuckhead Layton without demonizing this particular "private clinic", I'd be quietly applauding from the sidelines. But, truth be told, the Shouldice Clinic is one of those certifiably excellent "only in Canada" institutions that most Canadians are completely unaware of. We could invent a cure for cancer and time travel - all in a single day - but it would still take decades for most Canadians to accept the fact that we'd actually done something truly exceptional. We can be much too modest for our own good!!!Don said:
BTW, I can accept the possibility that Harper was unaware his speech was plagiarized. I can also accept that Paul Martin didn't know about the sponsorship scandal.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/07/09/green-shift.html
To plagiarize or to steal... which is worse?
To plagiarize or to steal... which is worse?
It is impossible to say for sure if Chretien knew that the money was being misappropriated. Gomery couldn't pin that on him so it must be remotely possible that he didn't know. But even assuming that Chretien did know what was happening, he sure wouldn't have found it necessary to share that info with Martin. Martin hated his guts and wanted his job so it wouldn't make sense to let him know the details. The only people who would have been allowed to know about those criminal activities, would be the ones directly involved. There would be no reason to share that with other party members.train said:Are you saying that Chretien was so controlling and muzzled everyone so completely that Martin didn't know ?
