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Hobbyists or sex addicts???

Joystick

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As always, the answer is found in a book

From Richard Ford's A Multitude of Sins:

"What matters is simply a choice we make, a choice governed by time and opportunity and how well we persuade ourselves to go on until some other powerful force overtakes us. (We always hope it will be a positive and wholesome force, though it may not be.)"
 

Cave Carson

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"Few of these ladies measure up to our wives and maybe that is why we see them. We may be more comfortable with what appear to be lesser persons as compared to what should be our true intimate contacts." - Sorely

I guess you haven't read the threads/polls in the Lounge dealing with the sex lives of the married men on this board. Do a search. They're chilling and might cause you to reconsider your statement.

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sorely

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If you mean that many of the poster-men are not having intimate lives with their wives, I believe that is because of insecurity or other weaknesses on their part. In most cases , any perceived closeness to a hooker, stripper or other sp results from the same weaknesses.

Such faux intimacy can be dangerous if it leads to a flight from reality and to a dependence which detracts from the far more important relationships.

If it's merely a respite on your journey, then the danger should be minimal.
 

Cave Carson

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"If you mean that many of the poster-men are not having intimate lives with their wives, I believe that is because of insecurity or other weaknesses on their part." - Sorely

A gross generalization! And one to which WillyWants and his friends would object!

:eek:

BTW, did you find and read the threads?
 

sorely

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It may be gross, but it's generally correct.

If you have the information, please direct me to the appropriate posts. I'll read them, if I don't have to waste much time chasing them down.

I'd rather waste my time spouting off ( hmmm ! double entendre ) on the board or with an sp.
 

sorely

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Thanks Cave.

You're truly a gentleman ( man, woman ???).

Anyway, I briefly perused the results and it's about what you would expect. Actually you bozos are getting more from your wives than you probably deserve.

I wonder how many guys perform oral activities on their wives with the same gusto as they do with the hookers( who don't give a shit about them) at mp's and escort agencies.

I bet a lot of us could get great blow jobs from the other guys wives. Maybe that's the answer. EUREKA !

I stand by my comments.

Thanks again for the info.
 

Cave Carson

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Sorely!

1. Gentleman it is.

2. "...you bozos are getting more from your wives...." First of all, I'm not married. Are you? Secondly, did you actually intend to call me a "bozo"?

3. You say the results of the polls are as you would expect yet you immediately dismiss them. Perhaps you could explain this seeming contradiction.

4. Have you ever heard of the legal concept called "burden of proof"? I've provided a piece of evidence i.e. the polls. Unless you can provide credible grounds for dispelling this piece of evidence - such as a better more representative poll - then it stands. But the burden of proof is now with you. (The ball is in your court.)

5. If you think that most or all the members of this board are bozos, well the term must then apply to you as well.

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Cave Carson

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Mikehorn!

I found the unanimity of the opinion chilling. Do you think those men expected such a drop in sexual activity from their wives when they got married?

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sorely

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Cave;

Anyone participating in this inane hobby is a BOZO, and that includes me.

I dismiss the results of these polls because men are full of bs and never want to admit that it might be their own insecurities and weaknesses that lead their wives to find more meaningful things to do than gobbling their insensitive and stupid mate's d**k.

There's a rationale for anything you want to say.

What do you really get from an sp that wouldn't be more appropriate from your right hand, other than the "chinese food syndrome" to throw away some more coin on another and another meaningless 30-60 minutes.

The proof is in reading every one of the posts on these boards.

All of that being said, the world is a crazy place and is generally full of bozos ( it comes with being human).

A nice pair of tits and a warm muff on your face ain't all bad.

By the way, most men haven't got a clue what they expect when they get married. That's one of the reasons that there are so many successful marriages ????
 
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Cave Carson

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Sorely!

"By the way, most men haven`t got a clue what they expect when they get married."

Actually, I believe that they expect their wives not to change with time. This appears to be a reasonable assumption at first glance but it`s generally incorrect. Men in particular think (hope?) that the sex drive of the women with whom they are so infatuated will remain unchanged thus proving an exception to all the horror stories they`ve heard. Once again the men are most often wrong.

Women expect their men to change after marriage. They too are wrong. How many times have you heard wives say "You`ll never change!" - an accusation to which, of course, the man reacts with bewilderment. "Huh?! But I don`t need to change!"

"...lead their wives to find more meaningful things to do than gobbling their insensitive and stupid mate`s d**k."

Even though continued gobbling is what they led poor deluded hubby to expect on the day of their nuptials? And is subsequently having "more meaningful things to do" any excuse to welsh on an agreement?

"That`s one of the reasons that there are so many successful marriages ????"

Either that or men and women just aren`t compatible in the first place. And keep in mind that it always takes two. You somehow seem to think that men are solely responsible for marriage breakdown. This is only true from the standpoint that no man would have gotten married in the first place had he been thinking with his head rather than his dick at the time. Since he should never have gotten married in the first place, how can he blame anyone but himself for wrecking his life?

Check out this thread as well:

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5074
 
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sorely

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Cave;

No, I don't think men are solely to blame. I do think they are different. In general , they are less complex and are satisfied with physical gratification before mental stimuli.

In short we are stupid and like bbbj's( with limited effort on our part). Is that what a woman expects from a male.

In fact, a bright woman probably doesn't expect much more from a man other than some coin and some sperm to impregnate her. They will look after the rest of lifes challenges on their own. It's much like the rest of the animal world.

Not all women are that confidant ; but , they'd love to be.
 

clipper

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And your point is???

Sorely: go ahead and flagellate yourself, but don't expect me to agree with you.

I participate in board discussions, but SCs are the limit of my
activities.

I like the company of beautiful women and am more than happy to pay for it. I like to talk, flatter and flirt as much as anything else. If we give each other a few moments of shared pleasure, a laugh, a smile, relief from boredom, whatever, we each leave the encounter richer in some way. Positive strokes are good for us.

Your recommended diet of guilt, shame and fear is so much bullshit IMHO.

I have supported wives and raised kids most of my adult life.
I genuinely believe that I have made and continue to make positive contributions to everyone around me.

Go ahead and wallow in negativity if you like. Life is a precious gift and all you seem to do is piss on it. Literally - GET A LIFE!
 

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More thoughts on this

Since beginning this thread, I've been reading it pretty regularly. While it's gotten on and off track a few times, I thought I'd respond to a few comments, and carry on in the discussion.

There seem to be (at least) three common themes from differing points of view:

1) Those who stated they see SP activity as disreputable and morally wrong, but still carry on with it, and deal with real emotional aftershocks;

2) Those who stated they see it as morally problematic, but have found a rationale within themselves about it, are more or less adjusted to it, and carry on without too many problems;

3) Those who stated they see SP activity as fine, exciting, and have no doubts about that. These posts were often pretty hostile/insulting to other members' posts that raised questions about self-respect, disease, and personal isolation resulting from this activity.

Personally, I think Sorely's view is pretty close to my bottom-line feelings about this - the 'loser meets loser' characterization pretty much hit the nail on the head, in a very blunt way that I've never quite articulated for myself.

For those who accused me of 'galling' and 'arrogant' generalization about how others might feel about their own actions, I hope you will read my earlier posts more closely, because my comments have always been about me, and my own questions about this.

I will say this about others' comments - if you are in, or have plans to be in, any kind of real, intimate relationship, AND you don't have worries about the diseases you might bring to others, AND if you don't have any self-respect issues about lying to loved ones, THEN you and I are different in the conscience department.

I don't tick that way, and I am not sorry about that.

The comments from SP's were pretty disrespectful, but I understand that the rationalizations they must go through to live with themselves make real understanding on this difficult.

It was sort of sad to see SexySyndy flaming me about my thoughts about disease and risk on this thread, and protesting on another about how horrible it would be for her if her mother found out the truth about her daughter's life.

I think most people on this Board would agree that to some extent, their SP actions cause them to be 'in the closet' about their true selves, somewhere in their lives. Speaking on this Board is very helpful - there aren't a lot of people elsewhere who are knowledgeable enough or able or willing to deal with the truth on this. It is good to speak frankly, somewhere, and air this stuff out a bit with people who get it, whether they agree with me, or not.

There were some comments in the thread about religion, family and society that I think were pretty valid. Of course, sexual guilt exists, and is created by those external forces.

The paradox, though, is that for me, I understand sexual guilt as a cause of SP behaviour. Reducing the guilt made real relationships more possible, and steered my away from the world of the night.

As well, fear (reasonable fear, I might add) of disease has nothing to do with that guilt - it is the result of too many high-risk encounters.

I will also totally agree that the excitement factor about being with tons of beautiful SP's, and the anticipation of more to come, are pretty powerful feelings that haven't gone away, and maybe won't.

Deep down, though, I was looking for love, not sex, and that is why it didn't work for me. All the emotions, my own and the SPs' were fake, momentary half-truths, and I never stopped knowing that on some level. The awareness that I was in 'loser meets loser' encounters was in there, somewhere.

To those who find this activity to be the best available option, or a phase, or just a lifestyle they are comfortable with, I am not here to knock that or change anyone. I am just speaking about me, how I feel, and wondering how others feel.

For at least some people, this is all pretty complicated, and not so easy to handle. Those who have flamed the posts that expressed that view simply don't come from the same place.

That's it for now.

601
 
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Joystick

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Why cut it too finely? ;)

A cogent summary by 601.

'Live and let live' seems to be the prevailing sentiment of the members. An upheld mirror keeps us honest, nonetheless.
 

Foxhound

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601!

"To those who find this activity to be the best available option...."

That's me! Best and least expensive!

"Of course, sexual guilt exists, and is created by those external forces."

Good! You've recognized this and you've worked to reduce/eliminate the sexual guilt you feel. Nonetheless, I still get the impression that you have in no way actually rejected the tenets of society/religion that induced this guilt - these head problems- in you in the first place! Don't you see the irrationality in basically accepting society's mores and then attempting to treat the symptons (the guilt) caused by these mores? What your doing is like treating the symptons of a disease without fighting the disease/infection itself!

"I will also totally agree that the excitement factor about being with tons of beautiful SP's, and the anticipation of more to come, are pretty powerful feelings...." that maybe won't go away.

'Nuff said! And like Clipper, I don't see any reason to flagellate myself over this detail, unlike you and Sorely! In other words, go flagellate yourselves somewhere else!

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