How common is it for the natural gas line to run partially through your neighbors property?

[farquhar]

My next door neighbor lives in a corner lot. We have six sections of fence between us that is falling over. The posts are 4x4; he wants to replace the fence with 6x6 posts.

There is an issue with the natural gas line. The locates show that it runs from the front of my house on the boundary line, under the fence close to the first post, through his backyard partially, then out his backyard close to the third post, into my backyard and then to the gas meter.

Either the natural gas line was put that way deliberately as there is a Town Tree in front of my house that prevented a straight run to the meter; or the existing fence is actually encroaching on what is my property by about 1.5 feet.

My neighbor wants to do the job with people of his own ethnicity that will do the job cheap and relatively fast (remember you can only pick two of cheap, fast, and well); he does not want to do take the time to do a survey as he feels that it is in neither of our best interests. If the existing posts are removed and then reset in the same area, it would all have to be done by hand.

Thoughts? Am I going to end up a Breaking News story on CP24 next week?

 

[Robert Mugabe]

 

[xix]

Thoughts? Am I going to end up a Breaking News story on CP24 next week?

Yes you will.

Have you read Stinkynuts stories here?

I am buying popcorn for next weeks news story.

I would scare him with a lawsuit and lawyer, give him a letter about your concern and video capture it, so he won't deny it, you gave him a warning. Don't let him know you are video recording.

 

[Ponderling]

The OP text suggests he does not have a survey of his property.

The fact that the natural gas line wanders is annoying

But locates that mapped the gas line path means any new posts, up sized or not will need to be hand dug, or water jet excavated.

Even if gas line was close to your side of property line, hand dig is a must.

If you want to be sure new fence goes where it should a survey would help, even if it was way old and just shows the foundations of the houses when first dug.

 

[angrymime666]

Previously when I did some work anything being dug 3 feet near a utility has to be hand dug.

 

[whitmore]

[QUOTE="farquhar, post: 8938689, member:
My neighbor wants to do the job with people of his own ethnicity that will do the job cheap and relatively fast
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Isn’t it the responsibility of the gas company to move the gas line? You only own after the utility meter.

 

[Mencken]

My next door neighbor lives in a corner lot. We have six sections of fence between us that is falling over. The posts are 4x4; he wants to replace the fence with 6x6 posts.

There is an issue with the natural gas line. The locates show that it runs from the front of my house on the boundary line, under the fence close to the first post, through his backyard partially, then out his backyard close to the third post, into my backyard and then to the gas meter.

Either the natural gas line was put that way deliberately as there is a Town Tree in front of my house that prevented a straight run to the meter; or the existing fence is actually encroaching on what is my property by about 1.5 feet.

My neighbor wants to do the job with people of his own ethnicity that will do the job cheap and relatively fast (remember you can only pick two of cheap, fast, and well); he does not want to do take the time to do a survey as he feels that it is in neither of our best interests. If the existing posts are removed and then reset in the same area, it would all have to be done by hand.

Thoughts? Am I going to end up a Breaking News story on CP24 next week?

Two issues to not be confused... first whether it is safe to dig for the posts, and second, you are questioning the property line.

You say that the gas line has been located, marked I assume. There are rules around how close you can safely excavate or dig holes, etc. Check for those rules. The gas company obviously had a right to put the gas line wherever it needed to go on either property, so the property line is irrelevant for that.

And the second is the property line. A survey would satisfy that, but it has nothing to do with the gas line. So if you want a survey get one done, and if the neighbor will help pay for it, great. If not just pay for it yourself.

 

[farquhar]

Isn’t it the responsibility of the gas company to move the gas line? You only own after the utility meter.

PVS did the locate; and then someone from Enbridge came out to confirm the locate.

The guy from Enbridge suggested that if the gas line was to be rerouted from its original location, it was going to be a major pain in the ass.

 

[farquhar]

Two issues to not be confused... first whether it is safe to dig for the posts, and second, you are questioning the property line.

You say that the gas line has been located, marked I assume. There are rules around how close you can safely excavate or dig holes, etc. Check for those rules. The gas company obviously had a right to put the gas line wherever it needed to go on either property, so the property line is irrelevant for that.

And the second is the property line. A survey would satisfy that, but it has nothing to do with the gas line. So if you want a survey get one done, and if the neighbor will help pay for it, great. If not just pay for it yourself.

Having a fence located near a natural gas line seems to be more common that I thought based on the research I did. The first section of fence closest to the front of the house is more lopsided than the rest, and I'm wondering if those posts were even set in concrete to begin with. The fence is probably 30 years old.

As for the survey; the neighbor has no interest in waiting around and getting that done whatsoever. His buddies have already came and dropped off material and will be starting the work on Monday. We have agreed that everything needs to be hand dug.

These guys are doing six sections of fence for $1,700 cash. Do they have insurance? Probably not.

 

[jalimon]

In Ontario, digging without locates: $10,000 fine.

Changes made to locates legislation - Landscape Ontario

Changes aimed to remove barriers for timeline delivery of locates, enhance the governance and oversight of OneCall, and augment the tools that excavators use.

horttrades.com

Not sure if that applies or helps your case.

Messing up with a gas line is fucking costly.

 

[farquhar]

In Ontario, digging without locates: $10,000 fine.

Changes made to locates legislation - Landscape Ontario

Changes aimed to remove barriers for timeline delivery of locates, enhance the governance and oversight of OneCall, and augment the tools that excavators use.

horttrades.com

Not sure if that applies or helps your case.

Messing up with a gas line is fucking costly.

The locates have been done; these guys my neighbor hired, who are of his ethnicity and speak limited to broken English, hopefully know what the fuck they are doing.

 

[whitmore]

PVS did the locate; and then someone from Enbridge came out to confirm the locate.

The guy from Enbridge suggested that if the gas line was to be rerouted from its original location, it was going to be a major pain in the ass.

The gas line is Enbridge property. Enbridge will need to shutoff the line and move.

 

[bazokajoe]

My next door neighbor lives in a corner lot. We have six sections of fence between us that is falling over. The posts are 4x4; he wants to replace the fence with 6x6 posts.

There is an issue with the natural gas line. The locates show that it runs from the front of my house on the boundary line, under the fence close to the first post, through his backyard partially, then out his backyard close to the third post, into my backyard and then to the gas meter.

Either the natural gas line was put that way deliberately as there is a Town Tree in front of my house that prevented a straight run to the meter; or the existing fence is actually encroaching on what is my property by about 1.5 feet.

My neighbor wants to do the job with people of his own ethnicity that will do the job cheap and relatively fast (remember you can only pick two of cheap, fast, and well); he does not want to do take the time to do a survey as he feels that it is in neither of our best interests. If the existing posts are removed and then reset in the same area, it would all have to be done by hand.

Thoughts? Am I going to end up a Breaking News story on CP24 next week?

Was this you or your neighbour?

2 homes in midtown Toronto catch fire after gas line struck, no injuries reported

No injuries have been reported after several homes in the city’s midtown area caught fire when contractors struck a natural gas line with an excavator late Saturday afternoon, says Toronto fire.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Pepe_Grande]

Gotta love it, you can come to TERB to get advice on laying pipe as well as extracting it!

 

[farquhar]

Gotta love it, you can come to TERB to get advice on laying pipe as well as extracting it!

That's why I love this place!

 

[farquhar]

Was this you or your neighbour?

2 homes in midtown Toronto catch fire after gas line struck, no injuries reported

No injuries have been reported after several homes in the city’s midtown area caught fire when contractors struck a natural gas line with an excavator late Saturday afternoon, says Toronto fire.

www.ctvnews.ca

Neither; we'll be the fucking clowns that ruptured a gas line in the suburbs next week.

 

[Ponderling]

The gas line is Enbridge property. Enbridge will need to shutoff the line and move.

And say the old one was working fine.

So 90% chance the person asking for the move will need to pay for Enbridhge's relocation.

Relocation should not be initialted until the true property line via new or old survey is known.

 

[farquhar]

And say the old one was working fine.

So 90% chance the person asking for the move will need to pay for Enbridhge's relocation.

Relocation should not be initialted until the true property line via new or old survey is known.

Precisely what the gentleman from Enbridge who visited my home implied.

If a relocation had to be done, the line would have to be moved from the South side of my home to the North side; which means big time money. I don't even know if that is possible as the sewage and wastewater line is on the North side.

 

[rgkv]

With the gas line where it is only hand digging will be allowed. But dont get the idea that its risk free. As a fence installer I have twice hit and cut the gas line while digging by hand.

 

[farquhar]

With the gas line where it is only hand digging will be allowed. But dont get the idea that its risk free. As a fence installer I have twice hit and cut the gas line while digging by hand.

Fortunately I live within spitting distance of a Fire Station. They'll be here in less than 2 minutes if required.