How do you feel about the deal that the Doctor's signed?

frankcastle

Well-known member
Feb 4, 2003
17,872
242
63
Edit: Sorry they still have to vote to see if they will accept the deal.


Watching the news it was mentioned as a side note amongst the teachers strike covereage that the doctor's signed a deal

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/11/13/ontario-doctors-fees.html

Points of interest for me were....

The tentative fee agreement with the Ontario Medical Association, worth $11.1 billion a year, adds $100 million to the total compensation package for doctors but includes savings in other areas to completely offset the increase, added Matthews.

The $100 million won't even cover the fees for the 600 new doctors who set up shop in Ontario each year, added the minister.

The two-year deal provides increased payments for lumbar spine X-rays, CT scans and doctors' home visits to seniors, as well as reversing six of the 34 fee cuts the government made in May for such things as an after-hours premium, a flat fee for anaesthesia and self-referral fees.

The Progressive Conservatives lashed out at the Liberals for not sticking to the fee cuts announced in May, and complained they can't ask questions about the OMA deal in the legislature because Premier Dalton McGuinty prorogued it until sometime next year.

The NDP said the Liberals were sending the wrong message to other public sector workers, including teachers and members of the Ontario Public Service Employees Union, who started negotiations Tuesday with the government on a wage freeze.

"They've negotiated what appears to be an increase for doctors," said New Democrat house leader Gilles Bisson

Matthews said it does meet the province's objective of freezing the wages of all public sector workers for two years to trim a $14.4-billion deficit.

"We can characterize this as a real wage freeze," she said.







I'm a bit curious as to see more details to see if this is a freeze or not. I'm also intrigued by how quietly this has been done. Mind you I get my news from yahoo, ctv, cp24 and the radio.
 

oldguyzer2

Banned
Jul 19, 2011
3,600
0
0
State of Inanity
Spend 9 years or so at University studying your ass off, working 16 hour days, day after day, for virtually no pay in a high-pressure emergency room, then get paid less than a good electrician or plumber. Been there, done that, left the life to go into something that pays better.
 

ITHAAPUDDYTAT

Always glad I called.
Feb 6, 2005
103
0
16
North East of Durham
For the majority of Doctors it is a pay freeze. For a few they will get a little more, but his is also to encourage an area that doctors are reluctant to cover, because its cost ( in time and expenses) was higher then its return. A few specialists will make less. Most Doctors are happy with this. The majority of doctors do not specialize in one porocedure, so the fee increases are only a small portion of their service fees. The OP mentions lumbar spine xrays, as an example. Do you think anyone out there, only does this type of xray? I'm just a guy, but this makes sense to me.
 

rld

New member
Oct 12, 2010
10,664
2
0
Increase their pay, stop paying their CMPA premiums to the same amount and open up the business of insuring docs to private insurers.
 

frankcastle

Well-known member
Feb 4, 2003
17,872
242
63
For the majority of Doctors it is a pay freeze. For a few they will get a little more, but his is also to encourage an area that doctors are reluctant to cover, because its cost ( in time and expenses) was higher then its return. A few specialists will make less. Most Doctors are happy with this. The majority of doctors do not specialize in one porocedure, so the fee increases are only a small portion of their service fees. The OP mentions lumbar spine xrays, as an example. Do you think anyone out there, only does this type of xray? I'm just a guy, but this makes sense to me.
Just quotes from the article.

upset with how little info im getting. I am inundated with teacher info with the news and doctors little to no info.

Give that we are talking about one of the biggest expenses id like to know more.
 

frankcastle

Well-known member
Feb 4, 2003
17,872
242
63
Spend 9 years or so at University studying your ass off, working 16 hour days, day after day, for virtually no pay in a high-pressure emergency room, then get paid less than a good electrician or plumber. Been there, done that, left the life to go into something that pays better.
Nobody should choose a profession based solely on money.

But lets not pretend that medicine is a bad choice.
 

CTSblues

New member
Jan 21, 2005
126
0
0
I have said it once before.

It is important for young people to try to join the most powerful groups in society.

If you are super smart, go into investment banking.

If you are smart, go into medicine.

If you are average, go into law enforcement.

Politicians would not give these groups a hard time.
 

JohnLarue

Well-known member
Jan 19, 2005
18,615
4,138
113
This is pretty simple
We are short doctors and long teachers
The demand for doctors is going to increase exponentially
The supply of people begging to become a teacher is very long
Doctors save lives
Teachers are dog fuckers who grossly overvalue their own worth and who place their financial well being ahead of students


Pay the doctors
Cut teachers excess
 

frankcastle

Well-known member
Feb 4, 2003
17,872
242
63
This is pretty simple
We are short doctors and long teachers
The demand for doctors is going to increase exponentially
The supply of people begging to become a teacher is very long
Doctors save lives
Teachers are dog fuckers who grossly overvalue their own worth and who place their financial well being ahead of students


Pay the doctors
Cut teachers excess
Well at least you finally admit that you hate teachers instead of "hiding" behind your thinly vieled excuses.

And let's not pretend their aren't a litany of bad doctors out there...... ranging from
1) doing nothing but writing referals
2) bad bed side manner
3) downplaying your problem when you go to see them
4) refusing you alternative treatments and making it difficult to get a second opinion

Purely ridiculous to call all doctors lifesavers and all teachers dog fuckers.

Why give them a raise. Much like teachers only so many can go elsewhere to ply their trade. Doctors have better prospects but they all can't and won't leave.

Just like any profession there are good ones and bad. What confuses me is that what the gov is saying and doing is inconsistant. Either there is or isn't money for all gov workers.

Won't even bother with the downplaying of the role of teachers.
 
Ashley Madison
Toronto Escorts