How many think gryfin should be kicked off Terb?

[Dandy_Dapper_Boy]

How many want gryfin to leave?

He is a troll, I dont know why he hasnt already been kicked off, or maybe he is a source of entertainment for us.

Other questions to be answered at random.

1)How many think gryfin is a Palestinian with an agenda/and or is fucking a Palestinian, (male or female)?

2)How many people have actually seen gryfin?

3)How many people think gryfin isnt from Ontario?


4)How many people know that supporting or abetting terrorist in this country is against the law?


5)How can we band together as a group and get this disgusting bastard kicked off Terb?


Just a note to Terbites, there's got to be a few lawyers on here. Can I file a class action suit against gryfin? Im not in the feild of law, I dont really need more money, but anything I can obtain from suing this creep I will donate towards the IDF.

 

[wet_suit_one]

don't agree with him...but it is his opinion...let him have it , and just ignore his posts...why ban him when he has not done anything iilegal or against the rules of TERB?...would you want yourself banned for your opinions?..i mean , what are we ? a bunch of fascists?..btw, it seems you have a problem with palestinians or somethin?

I concur.

Do we believe in freedom or don't we?

We let papasmurf, aardie, and all those other partisans hacks pollute this place with their filth (and Woody, don't forget Woody!), why should we get rid of gryfin for his? Sure, he seems to be an anti-semetic (anti-zionist may be more correct, but I digress) douche, but there's plenty of seeming douches on here who are probably very nice people in real life.

Freedom. Do we believe in it or don't we? My answer is no, but let the belief speak for itself.

 

[Mia.Colpa]

There's an ignore button, use it. I do and didn't even notice that guy is still on here. I banned him from my view months ago after his continual denial to admit that both Israelis and Palestinians have their downside, he only believes that Israel is completely wrong and Palestine can do no wrong, so I gave up on him, he has no credibility or a rational bone in his body, but as stated he is entitled to his opinion, as they say opinions are like assholes, we all have one.

 

[Cinema Face]

In a society with freedom of speech, there’s no such thing as freedom from being offended.

That’s the price we all must pay. Sometimes we see and read some things that are deeply offensive.

As long as he just expresses his opinions then he shouldn’t be banned.

If he says, “I hate Jews.” He is just expressing his opinion, as offensive as it may be.

If he says, “I hate Jews. You should too.” Then he is hate mongering and then he should be banned.

That’s where the line should be.

As for who and what he is, it’s not hard to guess. He’s a Muslim. Most likely he is Palestinian. He is a classic example of how their minds are poisoned towards Israel and all Jews. There’s no point in arguing with him. His iniquity is complete.

As for what motivates him, that’s also not hard to guess. Two words. JI HAD. Jihad takes many forms. Some Muslims strap a bomb to themselves and blow up an Israeli café. Others send money to Hamas. Gryfin chose to spend his time proliferating all the political forums he could google with hate-filled anti-Israeli rubbish.

As for what to do about him, we should just ignore him. I recognize what he is and I used to like to turn the tables on him. When he posts about all the sins of Israel, I used to like to post about the sins of Islam to make him realize what a hypocrite he is. Lately, he’s been on a posting rampage and he’s becoming a nuisance.
I’ve decided that I will ignore every thread started by him, no matter how much I’m tempted to put him in his place. I think that we all should just ignore him. When there is nothing but crickets in his threads, then maybe he’ll get the idea and move on to other forums to poison.

 

[Pargolfer]

I would be very concerned if he was banned.It is not that I agree with his positions but it is about freedom of speech.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

Thread = fail

I agree with most of the above posters who have replied.

Only a childish person with a small and weak mind would want someone banned for expressing opinions that they disagree with.

Ignoring someone is understandable. Reading their postings and learning their perspective (know your `enemy`) is prudent. Trying to have them silenced with the help of others because you don`t agree with them is fascist and cowardly.

From the "Jack Layton is seriously ill" thread:

Maybe its a sign for him to leave politics. He`s an asshole.

Ignorant. Speaks volumes about you to post here asking for one member to be banned while at the same time posting your own brand of ignorance and "hate."

(Odd how the "view forum posts" doesn`t show those in the politics section, so I can`t point to other specific examples.)

 

[fuji]

Depends on his answer to this question:

Gryfin, do you support the killing of Israeli civilians by Palestinians?

If his answer is "no" then he's entitled to his view, however spiteful it may be. If his answer is "yes" he is promoting hate crimes and that's actually illegal in Canada.

 

[Aardvark154]

don't agree with him...but it is his opinion...let him have it , and just ignore his posts...why ban him when he has not done anything iilegal or against the rules of TERB?...would you want yourself banned for your opinions

Entirely the case, he's annoying and more or less a troll. But when we start banning people because we don't like what they say, that is a very stupid and dangerous road to take.

 

[Aardvark154]

From the "Jack Layton is seriously ill" thread:

Maybe its a sign for him to leave politics. He`s an asshole.

Ignorant. Speaks volumes about you.

Which defeats the point you were trying to make. So DDB despises Layton, doesn`t he, as you just stated have a right to an opinion and to express the same? Now it is also true that it lacks sensitivity however a great many posts on TERB lack sensitivity. Posters in the past have posted the most outrageous of lies regarding politicians in the Politics and International Affairs Forum without being called to task and further have refused to retract the same. Given that standard DDB isn`t even halfway down the scale.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

Depends on his answer to this question:

Gryfin, do you support the killing of Israeli civilians by Palestinians?

If his answer is "no" then he's entitled to his view, however spiteful it may be. If his answer is "yes" he is promoting hate crimes and that's actually illegal in Canada.

We all know he cannot answer that in a simple Yes/No manner. No more than others would do for their viewpoints when it butts up against "hate crime" legalities. There are various shades of grey...

Seriously, if that's the litmus test for his membership at TERB, then what of those who support the same of Afghanis, Palestinians, Muslims, etc.? We've all read variations of that many times. Where's the hue and cry to ban the virulent anti-Muslim posters?

Again, slippery slope.

Don't like what a member posts, ignore or read with a critical eye and a big grain of salt.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

Which defeats the point you were trying to make. So DDB dispises Layton, why is that ignorant? Doesn't he, as you just stated have a right to an oppinion and to express the same? Posters have in the past posted outright lies regarding politicians in the Politics and International Affairs Forum without being called to task and further have refused to retract the same. Given that standard DDB isn't even halfway down the scale.

My point was simple: how can he call for a ban on someone when he posts something that others consider offensive? I should have clarified and was going to provide more examples, but I was in a rush to post (I am allegedly working) and didn't finish my thought.

I have edited, but my point stands as is - I don't believe in bans. I may disagree with what is posted, but I would never call for a member to be banned based on their opinions. I will just disagree with them and/or ignore. To try and ban someone for their opinion is a slippery slope. Healthy (and unhealthy) discourse on the other hand...

Full disclosure: I was not offended by the post I quoted; I could care less about Jack Layton one way or the other as a politician. As a human being, I wish him well.

 

[Aardvark154]

My point was simple: how can he call for a ban on someone when he posts something that others consider offensive? I should have clarified and was going to provide more examples, but I was in a rush to post (I am allegedly working) and didn't finish my thought.

Full disclosure: I was not offended by his post; I could care less about Jack Layton one way or the other as a politician. As a human being, I wish him well.

Ah, that makes sense.

 

[fuji]

We all know he cannot answer that in a simple Yes/No manner.

Sure he can. It is a yes/no question. It can be answered with a "yes" or a "no". If he likes he can then go on to explain his answer, but it is in fact a yes/no question.

I for one do not support the killing of civilians of any country. I tolerate it only when their deaths are the necessary byproduct of a legitimate military action, and even then, I demand that the military do its utmost to minimize any possible civilian deaths.

To wit, I see the 9/11 attacks as a terrorist action, but not the attack on the USS Cole, which was a military ship, not a civilian one. That makes my view somewhat controversial perhaps, but consistent. Of course I want attacks such as the one on the USS Cole detected and stopped, and I want us to hunt down those responsible--but if they enemy restricted themselves to attacking military and government installations they would be a garden variety guerilla/insurgent enemy rather than reprehensible terrorists.

I understand the complexities of the situation in Israel/Palestine but honestly there are loads of military targets available to Hamas/Hezbollah. It's not like there is a shortage of Israeli soldiers for them to attack. They go after civilians because they are morally bankrupt.

 

[toguy5252]

Gryfin is more pathetic then anything else. As objectionable and perverse as i find his views he has a right to them.

 

[fuji]

MOrally bankrupt?....don't think so... extremely desperate....definitely...however, both sides of the issue are equally wrong and desperate.. Israeli soldiers and Hamas soldiers target civilians!

I stand by morally bankrupt. You may be right that they are also extremely desperate. Regardless, my answer to the question "Do you support the killing of civilians" is "no". I do not support that no matter whether they are Israeli civilians, or Palestinian civilians, or Afghan civilians, or anybody else's civilians.

I do recognize that sometimes civilians get caught in the cross fire, but when it goes beyond cross fire, when somebody sets out to kill civilians intentionally, that person is morally bankrupt. Period.

 

[basketcase]

Sorry Dandy. If gryfs hard on for Israel warrants him being banned, your xenophobic ultra religious views should have you following right after him.

Now, asking him to contribute a review now and again would make sense.

 

[fuji]

Well to be fair he did not say "fucking Palestinian" he said "fucking a Palestinian" meaning he's guessing that Gryfin is either a Palestinian or in a romantic relationship with one. I think he meant the word "fucking" literally, and not as a pejorative.

It is pretty clear that Gryfin has a very biased, one-sided agenda. I have speculated before about whether or not he is an actual member of Hamas, or just a wannabe.

 

[scouser1]

The way you deal with a Gryfin is the same way you deal with a lunatic screaming on the street, you wouldnt stop and argue with them there so why should you argue with them on a discussion forum. I find his posts boring, they are all about the same thing, if he changed it up once in awhile and posted anything else other than the Middle Eastern conflict, he might be actually worth reading.

 

[fuji]

On the second part, again it is wrong to accuse (or even speculate) people (like someone being a terrorist) without having a concrete evidence.

All I know is that he refuses to denounce the killing of Israeli civilians by Palestinians. I have asked him point blank many times, and he refuses to.

I agree with your view that both sides have a right to exist, and deserve a peaceful homeland. I don't think Gryfin does, though.

 

[basketcase]

You are right fuji about the "a" that I missed out (I go back and delete my final sentence in my earlier post) but his post smells bigotry and prejudism about palestinians. ...

Actually I disagree. His posting history shows a hatred for Muslims based on what he thinks the Bible says.