How Much Does the CBC Cost Taxpayers?
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6%? Unbellevablle
I doubt that satastic by far. It means that almost 19/20 do not watch the CBC at all. Ok, how many people do you know how have EVER watched Hockey Night in Canada? Don Cherry? The Olympics? All CBC programs. Even the 3 people I who do not watch TV at all make an exception for Hockey; and everyone else I know has watched some CBC (newsworld, sports, Intelligence and more recently the most wanted program in the world - Little Mosque - thought perosonlly I hate that show).
Now I must admit those I associate are not the brain incased in beer types that drop out of high school but why are there over a 100 people on the top of my head that I can think of that watch CBC sometimes and not even one that I know that has never watched Don Cherry? Hell, the Greatest Canadian a few years ago had over half the country watching. Rick Mercer report, as weak as it is has been talked but on Facebook numerous times. And the National Posts major arm took the CBC to court not long ago trying to limit what Newsworld could cover since it was the number one news station at that time.
What are the odds that everyone I know who watches Hockey Night in Canada is part of the 6% (lets see; well the odds that two random people watch it are 36 in 1000, 3 random 216 in 1000000 and 10 people is .00060466 percent, and 50 random people close to winning the lottery twice. How many people do you know never watch the CBC? Really theve never watch Don Cherry? Or if they are on the opposite side Rick Mercer? The Fifth Estate? 6% seems a bit low to me, just from the people I know. But hell, I guess I am werid, people I know like hockey and watch more than FOX news (but hell, I watch that too - on the net)
I doubt that satastic by far. It means that almost 19/20 do not watch the CBC at all. Ok, how many people do you know how have EVER watched Hockey Night in Canada? Don Cherry? The Olympics? All CBC programs. Even the 3 people I who do not watch TV at all make an exception for Hockey; and everyone else I know has watched some CBC (newsworld, sports, Intelligence and more recently the most wanted program in the world - Little Mosque - thought perosonlly I hate that show).
Now I must admit those I associate are not the brain incased in beer types that drop out of high school but why are there over a 100 people on the top of my head that I can think of that watch CBC sometimes and not even one that I know that has never watched Don Cherry? Hell, the Greatest Canadian a few years ago had over half the country watching. Rick Mercer report, as weak as it is has been talked but on Facebook numerous times. And the National Posts major arm took the CBC to court not long ago trying to limit what Newsworld could cover since it was the number one news station at that time.
What are the odds that everyone I know who watches Hockey Night in Canada is part of the 6% (lets see; well the odds that two random people watch it are 36 in 1000, 3 random 216 in 1000000 and 10 people is .00060466 percent, and 50 random people close to winning the lottery twice. How many people do you know never watch the CBC? Really theve never watch Don Cherry? Or if they are on the opposite side Rick Mercer? The Fifth Estate? 6% seems a bit low to me, just from the people I know. But hell, I guess I am werid, people I know like hockey and watch more than FOX news (but hell, I watch that too - on the net)
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And CTV news is a joke. Chit chat and hair styles. City-TV until recenlty as better, under Rogers and the Dundas square move what shall happen. And I assume CBC sports division is considered seperatly from the "news" even thought other brodcasters combine the two. And considering there are over 300 channels (and 70 plus on basic) CBC should be getting about 1% of the audience share but in fact gets 6 times that? Are Nelson people idiots (see the German movie: Free My Brain; about the genius families who do the Nelson ratings)
And CTV news is a joke. Chit chat and hair styles. City-TV until recenlty as better, under Rogers and the Dundas square move what shall happen. And I assume CBC sports division is considered seperatly from the "news" even thought other brodcasters combine the two. And considering there are over 300 channels (and 70 plus on basic) CBC should be getting about 1% of the audience share but in fact gets 6 times that? Are Nelson people idiots (see the German movie: Free My Brain; about the genius families who do the Nelson ratings)
he received 37 separate interview requests from various BBC news outlets...
http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/275458
The BBC's 23,000 employees, however nervous they may be, will tell you their collective footprint matters today, arguably more than any other information voice on the planet.
But how much that will matter is an open question, in the wake of wide-ranging cuts and restructuring plans announced last month by the British public broadcaster's management team.
The mighty Beeb is about to shrink. Over the next six years, savings of more than $4 billion must be found in a process that will involve at least 1,500 bodies going overboard and a 10 per cent reduction in overall programming.
I have no problem with the Gov't giving $ 100 M grants through a legit/ public/ accountable method to the best filmakers/ doc producers/ etc. The CBC is pretty commercial already, why not put it in the hands of the private sector?
Have you seen this article:alex52 said:
http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/275458
The BBC's 23,000 employees, however nervous they may be, will tell you their collective footprint matters today, arguably more than any other information voice on the planet.
But how much that will matter is an open question, in the wake of wide-ranging cuts and restructuring plans announced last month by the British public broadcaster's management team.
The mighty Beeb is about to shrink. Over the next six years, savings of more than $4 billion must be found in a process that will involve at least 1,500 bodies going overboard and a 10 per cent reduction in overall programming.
I have no problem with the Gov't giving $ 100 M grants through a legit/ public/ accountable method to the best filmakers/ doc producers/ etc. The CBC is pretty commercial already, why not put it in the hands of the private sector?
Because:RogerRabbit said:
1. Then it becomes a slave to the advertisers.
2. The "private sector" would only be interested in the profitable part of the CBC and would shortly look to cut out the nonprofitable parts - which is probably at least half of the CBC. They would chop the blanket coverage across the country first.
3. We already have enough shit on TV and if you were to privatize the cbc, it would be all the shit you have now plus one.
4. They would cut Canadian shows and simply buy American shows claiming that that is what the public wants to see
5. It would inevitably end up in the hands of the Americans like Canadian National Railways, or Air Canada, or Petro Canada.
6. You would lose a huge part of our heritage.
7. The quality of the documentaries and news coverage would be reduced to schlock
8. Many local stations would close, local stations that carry local news and promote local events because they weren't "profitable" or we need to "rationalize our product with demand" blah blah blah.
There's 8 reasons in about 5 minutes just rolling off of my head without even thinking about it too hard.
Let's not forget that the dear old CBC is more than just television. CBC Radio provides some solid programming, much of which is readily available outside of Canada via Radio Canada International on various shortwave frequencies.
I don't really know anyone in Canada who listens to shortwave. Even I only listen in occasionally, but outside of North America shortwave is alive and well. CBC provides of a voice through which the world is exposed to Canadian views. There's a reason that Canada has a reputation as a moderate country and CBC plays a role in that.
As a private broadcaster, I doubt the international services of CBC (which are not directly aimed at Canadians) would live on.
I don't really know anyone in Canada who listens to shortwave. Even I only listen in occasionally, but outside of North America shortwave is alive and well. CBC provides of a voice through which the world is exposed to Canadian views. There's a reason that Canada has a reputation as a moderate country and CBC plays a role in that.
As a private broadcaster, I doubt the international services of CBC (which are not directly aimed at Canadians) would live on.
Canada would be greatly harmed without a significant reasonably independant broadcaster whose mandate is Canadian centric.
Other national and large regional broadcasters produce no content other than local news. More American content is not required.
What would improve the CBC would be to tone down the over representation of East Coast crap. Also, they are a bit too liberal / anti-conservative political commentary even for me.
Viewer statistics posted above from the national post are simply not believable. They may hold true in our large urban areas, but I doubt even that. In large urban areas I guess CBC is losing out to web-based and international 'ethnic' broadcasters, which would reflect those communities; not a fault of nor necessarily requiring a response from the CBC.
CBC got out of local news broadcasts in some markets, realizing, too late in my opinion, that local broadcasters do a better less expensive job.
There are still large areas of Canada under serviced by other broadcast technologies. Satelite dish and subscription is too expensive in some areas. Large cities have different cost structure than remote areas. And in remote areas when the service breaks down, you wait weeks or sometimes years for service.
CBC international broadcasts lost all relevance many years ago; RCI was truly awful. Yet Canadians abroad were so passionate when CBC briefly shut RCI down in the 1980's that it was restarted.
Other national and large regional broadcasters produce no content other than local news. More American content is not required.
What would improve the CBC would be to tone down the over representation of East Coast crap. Also, they are a bit too liberal / anti-conservative political commentary even for me.
Viewer statistics posted above from the national post are simply not believable. They may hold true in our large urban areas, but I doubt even that. In large urban areas I guess CBC is losing out to web-based and international 'ethnic' broadcasters, which would reflect those communities; not a fault of nor necessarily requiring a response from the CBC.
CBC got out of local news broadcasts in some markets, realizing, too late in my opinion, that local broadcasters do a better less expensive job.
There are still large areas of Canada under serviced by other broadcast technologies. Satelite dish and subscription is too expensive in some areas. Large cities have different cost structure than remote areas. And in remote areas when the service breaks down, you wait weeks or sometimes years for service.
CBC international broadcasts lost all relevance many years ago; RCI was truly awful. Yet Canadians abroad were so passionate when CBC briefly shut RCI down in the 1980's that it was restarted.
The CBC cost us BILLIONS and BILLIONS and BILLIONS!
I know a dirt bag bitch that screamed like a stuck pig when I once mentioned that the CBC should be shut down. She believes that her no good husband that fancies himself a writer will write something that someone, maybe the CBC would buy. He has been writing for over 25 years and never sold even one thing!
I know a dirt bag bitch that screamed like a stuck pig when I once mentioned that the CBC should be shut down. She believes that her no good husband that fancies himself a writer will write something that someone, maybe the CBC would buy. He has been writing for over 25 years and never sold even one thing!
CBC Financial Statements
I've looked into the financial statements of CBC years ago. CBC requires a government subsidy to survive.
For convienence, I have provided a link to their latest finanical statements.
http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/annualreports/2006-2007/pdf/financials-e.pdf
To summarize. CBC generates $559,286,000 in Revenue. It spends $1,696,006,000. Yes, CBC spends more than it earns. So Daddy comes to the rescue. A government subsidy is given: $974,324,000.
Now how much is it worth? Well the total assets is worth $1,591,877,000. Assuming you are related to Bill Gates, would you spend about 1.6 billion dollars that creates an operating loss (before government subsidy) of $1.13 billion?
To answer your question, Taxpayers pay about 1 billion per year to fund the CBC money pit.
M91US
I've looked into the financial statements of CBC years ago. CBC requires a government subsidy to survive.
For convienence, I have provided a link to their latest finanical statements.
http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/annualreports/2006-2007/pdf/financials-e.pdf
To summarize. CBC generates $559,286,000 in Revenue. It spends $1,696,006,000. Yes, CBC spends more than it earns. So Daddy comes to the rescue. A government subsidy is given: $974,324,000.
Now how much is it worth? Well the total assets is worth $1,591,877,000. Assuming you are related to Bill Gates, would you spend about 1.6 billion dollars that creates an operating loss (before government subsidy) of $1.13 billion?
To answer your question, Taxpayers pay about 1 billion per year to fund the CBC money pit.
M91US
m91us said:
Don't forget that a lot of their "revenue" is in fact tax payer dollars when all the fed depts and crown corps buy ads.
Its a giant shell game.
.Waste of money. Shut it down.
The government doesn't go into the CBC to make money. Otherwise, it would just let the free market do it.m91us said:
The government, like Bill Gates, has a different view of ROI in some circumstances.
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/default.htm
Compared to whom? Canada has roughly 33 million people or so. That is not enough people to support home grown programming? Our problem is not that we don't have enough population, but that too much of it is interested in US programming.Compromised said:
My opinion, it's not about making money. It is a matter of being self-sufficient for CBC. They should aim to break even. The bulk of the money being spent is on Services provided by staff at CBC.benstt said:
Would you paid someone $100,000 if that person generates only $30,000 in revenue? It's a clear lost for CBC.
Actually...
... I don't think that the poster knows the price either.danibbler said:Someone who knows the price of everything, but the value of nothing.
Aside from the fact that it is infested with socialists and receives billions in subsidies, what really grinds my gears about the CBC is that it also competes with private Canadian broadcasters for advertising revenue.
And don't even get me started on the conflict of interest issues surrounding the fact that both the CRTC and CBC have the same political masters...
And don't even get me started on the conflict of interest issues surrounding the fact that both the CRTC and CBC have the same political masters...
