How To Hit The Big Jackpots, Anyone???

[Fred Zed]

My secret winning numbers revealed!

Here they are folks 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.

Unlikely you say? Sure, but just as likely as any other set of numbers. Play them often enough and sooner or later you will have a winner. Just because the number of plays required is of the same order of magnitude as the number of grains of sand on all the world's beaches should not deter the dedicated individual. Have faith! Be resolute!

With tongue firmly in cheek, I remain your humble servant
N_1

Unlikely combo though not impossible - devide the 649 board into half
you will find for most draws the numbers are a fairly evenly distrubuted
across the board. For Keno the average is approx 50 -50
if you devide the Keno board into half (1-35 & 35-70).

 

[antlerman]

How come we never see the news have headlines......

"Physic wins lottery.....again!"

 

[whobee]

lucky locations?

Is there a relationship between where a ticket is bought and it's chance of winning? For example, the Canadian Tire versus the private corner store. I only recall a couple of times when they have mentioned where a ticket was bought - usually when multiple winning tickets are bought there.

 

[Nameless_1]

Unlikely combo though not impossible - devide the 649 board into half
you will find for most draws the numbers are a fairly evenly distrubuted
across the board. For Keno the average is approx 50 -50
if you devide the Keno board into half (1-35 & 35-70).

I maintain that my set of numbers is as (un)likely as any other set of numbers. I think it *looks* like a dumb choice but so is any other. Of course the numbers SHOULD be evenly distributed from 1 to 49 over a huge number of draws. The value of the first "ball" can have no effect on subsequent "balls" except to remove that number from the pool. For example, if ball #1 is say a 17, then the next ball can be anywhere from 1 to 16 inclusive OR from 18 to 49 inclusive - that is a random draw that is not influenced by the initial "17".

 

[booboobear]

Unlikely combo though not impossible - devide the 649 board into half
you will find for most draws the numbers are a fairly evenly distrubuted
across the board. For Keno the average is approx 50 -50
if you devide the Keno board into half (1-35 & 35-70).

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I picked my 4 keno numbers and I am now playing every day to see when / if I win I also picked 2 boards of 6 numbers .

 

[Fred Zed]

I maintain that my set of numbers is as (un)likely as any other set of numbers. I think it *looks* like a dumb choice but so is any other. Of course the numbers SHOULD be evenly distributed from 1 to 49 over a huge number of draws. The value of the first "ball" can have no effect on subsequent "balls" except to remove that number from the pool. For example, if ball #1 is say a 17, then the next ball can be anywhere from 1 to 16 inclusive OR from 18 to 49 inclusive - that is a random draw that is not influenced by the initial "17".

Personally, I think the machine would have to be malfunctioning to produce an outcome like that or some of the balls would have to be sticky or scratched. Random or not, some combinations are really better than others.
Paying attention to the number distribution across the board does help sometimes - even if it's only to get some of your money refunded.

 

[Fred Zed]

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I picked my 4 keno numbers and I am now playing every day to see when / if I win I also picked 2 boards of 6 numbers .

I think #19 is coming tonight or tomorrow, maybe 59 as well, last night I got 4/4 one line : 1-11-36-39.

 

[Vov76]

My secret winning numbers revealed!

Here they are folks 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.

Unlikely you say? Sure, but just as likely as any other set of numbers. Play them often enough and sooner or later you will have a winner. Just because the number of plays required is of the same order of magnitude as the number of grains of sand on all the world's beaches should not deter the dedicated individual. Have faith! Be resolute!

With tongue firmly in cheek, I remain your humble servant
N_1

Anything is possible

On Saturday May 22, 1999 these were Lottario's winning numbers 1 2 3 4 5 33

 

[Fred Zed]

Anything is possible

On Saturday May 22, 1999 these were Lottario's winning numbers 1 2 3 4 5 33

lol...I wonder if anyone won that.
I did say it was possible...could be due to improper mixing of balls or malfunctioning machine, but the more likely combinations are fairly evenly distributed. If you are going to play - play smart, or don't play at all.

 

[benstt]

Interesting analysis. I think the advantage of wheeling is that assuming you are able to capture some of the low-level winnings it minimizes costs
while allowing you to stay in the game so to speak. imo if you plan to spend $60.00+ on lottery tickets some wheeling is preferrable to no wheeling.
The reason why gambling is a long-term losing proposition is that it's addictive. No matter how much one wins it's never enough. When I was at the lottery office back in June they told me that they see the same faces over and over again coming to pick up cheques.

Just reading this old thread...

Wheels basically work to increase your chance of getting a low-level prize, at the expense of your chances of getting multiple low-level prizes. They are a zero-sum maneuver, expectation-wise (compared to just buying the same number of random, but unique, tickets.)

 

[benstt]

I wouldn't call it a zero sum manueuver - hit 12/20 of my numbers for a total payout of 5,025.00 on last Thursday's draw. What your post shows is that you don't get how to organize a proper wheel - it's a powerful stratagy that gives you more of a chance to break even over the year than what you suggest.

I do have to admit thought that this has been my best month ever on Keno and I expect to go cold fpr the rest of the year. LOL

bbk

Trust me, I understand wheels. I have a heavy stats background, and a longtime interest in lottery systems. I've done the math in the past, I've done simulations. If you take a good wheel versus random unique tickets, and compare the distributions of lower-end matches, the effect is to re-weight the distribution so that you have a better chance of at least one lower-prize win in a draw, but at the expense of having a lower chance of multiple wins in a draw.

The expected amount of money returned remains the same.

Believe or not, it's how it works. Luck can make it look otherwise.

 

[Fred Zed]

Trust me, I understand wheels. I have a heavy stats background, and a longtime interest in lottery systems. I've done the math in the past, I've done simulations. If you take a good wheel versus random unique tickets, and compare the distributions of lower-end matches, the effect is to re-weight the distribution so that you have a better chance of at least one lower-prize win in a draw, but at the expense of having a lower chance of multiple wins in a draw.

The expected amount of money returned remains the same.

Believe or not, it's how it works. Luck can make it look otherwise.

I don't know what wheels you are using but your analysis is definitely incorrect as
can be demonstrated with a simple wheel for 5 numbers
where 4 / 4 is required. The wheel is like this:

1-2 -3-4
1-2-3-5
1-2-4-5
2-3-4-5

Now, if 4/5 in above are correct, I am guaranteed 4/4.

If you extend this principle to larger wheels the same is true.
What counts is that the chosen sample contains the correct numbers.
It is much easier to pick a sample of 18 numbers that contains 6 correct numbers than it is to guess 6 numbers correctly.
Try not to get bogged down in complicated statiscal analysis, look at it at a simple level, wheels definitely work.

 

[Fred Zed]

I wouldn't call it a zero sum manueuver - hit 12/20 of my numbers for a total payout of 5,025.00 on last Thursday's draw.
I do have to admit thought that this has been my best month ever on Keno and I expect to go cold for the rest of the year. LOL



bbk

Not sure which #game you are playing but I think if you put a portion of your bets into 4#game you will continue to see the money coming in. One night at the beginning of this month I had a total of 6 lines hitting 4/4. I have a feeling you will win big again soon if you keep resubmitting the file that had 12/20.

 

[benstt]

I don't know what wheels you are using but your analysis is definitely incorrect as
can be demonstrated with a simple wheel for 5 numbers
where 4 / 4 is required. The wheel is like this:

1-2 -3-4
1-2-3-5
1-2-4-5
2-3-4-5

Now, if 4/5 in above are correct, I am guaranteed 4/4.

Now if you extend this principle to larger wheels the same principle applies.
What counts is that the chosen sample contains the correct numbers.
It is much easier to pick a sample of 18 numbers that contains 6 correct numbers than it is to guess 6 numbers correctly.
Try not to get bogged down in complicated statiscal analysis, look at it at a simple level, wheels definitely work.

The trick here is the statement 'IF 4/5 in above are correct, then....'

When you account for the uncertainty whether the 4/5 are correct, you're no further ahead. If you are correct on the 4/5, you'll win more of the small prizes. If you are wrong on the 4/5, you'll win less of them. These circumstances balance each other out exactly, when it comes to your expected payback.

Simpler example:

If I roll a die, it can come up 1 to 6. I have 1/6 chance of guessing.

If I guess correctly in advance that it will turn up an odd number, it looks like I reduce my odds to 1/3 (there are three odds.) However, I'm only guessing, I don't know. And most definitely, the die can turn up an odd just as often as an even.

So, since there's a 1/2 chance of being odd or even (3 each), the real odds of winning is still 1/6 -- 1/2 x 1/3.

Same kind of math works for your example. This kind of stuff is hammered out on the internet. They basically conclude that there's no overall expected return for using wheels. There may be some taxation benefits, etc in some cases, but the basic lottery math is unchanged by using wheels.

Here's an example. Check out the stuff by Duncan Smith at the bottom. http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.lotto.players/browse_thread/thread/af8789992fecd637


Anyway, believe me or not, I'm outta here.

 

[Fred Zed]

The trick here is the statement 'IF 4/5 in above are correct, then....'

When you account for the uncertainty whether 
the 4/5 are correct, you're no further ahead. 
If you are correct on the 4/5, you'll win 
more of the small prizes. If you are wrong on 
the 4/5, you'll win less of them. These circumstances 
balance each other out exactly, when it comes to your expected payback.

The idea is to try different samples!
That will help to address the problem of uncertainty.

The only limitation is cash as the winning line might buried among 1000 + lines of data.
Incidentally, this happened to me just last week. I generated several pages of Keno data and on one of the pages several lines were hitting 8/10, one line had 9/10.
Playing that page alone would have netted me $10 000.

Regarding the link you gave me I can likewise point you to websites where people actually won
some decent money using wheeling systems.

 

[Fred Zed]

The infamous combo

My secret winning numbers revealed!

Here they are folks 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.

Unlikely you say? Sure, but just as likely as any other set of numbers. Play them often enough and sooner or later you will have a winner. Just because the number of plays required is of the same order of magnitude as the number of grains of sand on all the world's beaches should not deter the dedicated individual. Have faith! Be resolute!

With tongue firmly in cheek, I remain your humble servant
N_1

http://www.lotto-logix.com/txthouse/infamouscombo.html

While each and every combination 
always has a 13,983,816:1
chance of being drawn, it can be shown 
that certain types of
combinations are significantly more
 likely to occur when compared
relatively to others.



While it is clearly not impossible for 
the stated combination to appear
someday, it is remote enough that I
 wouldn't choose to waste money on
it. In spite of all the logic, apparently 
there are surprisingly large
numbers of people that regularly play this combination 
simply because it
is the longshot. If the sucker ever does show up, I would estimate that
the jackpot shares will be significantly diluted.



Que sera sera.



Paul McCoy - the Lottery Mine

 

[Scenicdrive]

http://www.lotto-logix.com/txthouse/infamouscombo.html

While each and every combination 
always has a 13,983,816:1
chance of being drawn, it can be shown 
that certain types of
combinations are significantly more
 likely to occur when compared
relatively to others.



While it is clearly not impossible for 
the stated combination to appear
someday, it is remote enough that I
 wouldn't choose to waste money on
it....

Freddie:
Ouk emoi alla to logou akousantes, omologein sophron estin.... (Don't listen to me but to reason, it is wise to say....) If the principles of probability and statistics are valid and true, what appears as unlikely is just as likely as any other combinations in the long run. So it follows that Nameless_1 is correct in his claim about his ‘winning’ combination 1,2,3,4,5, and 6. The good doc is sure what you quoted refers to the short run or medium term in which randomness of occurrence of numbers may not be as random as it should be. Either way, its appears those have the help of blind luck always come up as winners. Now what is the probability of the good doc having a big blind date with the Goddess of blind luck??? *Wink, wink* LOL!!!

From the good doc, the Named_1 in defense of Nameless_1

 

[mississauga_man]

I had a quick pick 3.4.5.6.20.21

 

[Fred Zed]

If the principles of probability and statistics are 
valid and true, what appears as unlikely is 
just as likely as any other combinations in the long run.

Well..doc as John Maynard Keynes said:

"In the long run we are all dead".

Who would be interested in his numbers coming up after his demise ?

 

[Scenicdrive]

If the principles of probability and statistics are 
valid and true, what appears as unlikely is 
just as likely as any other combinations in the long run.

Well..doc as John Maynard Keynes said:

"In the long run we are all dead".

Who would be interested in his numbers coming up after his demise ?

Freddie, Freddie, whatever happened to your brand of optimism??? Forget Keynes, he knows nothing about the doctrine of the immortality of the soul. Besides the long run may be shorter than you think and we may live forever by swallowing some magic pills. The good doc is working on that scentific-medical project too. In any case, the good doc shall program his computer to keep purchasing lotto tickets. For the sake of your argument, if the winning numbers come up upon the good doc's demise, let his heirs inherit the awesome prizes and do something good for the human kind. *Wink, wink* LOL!!!