If Bush Loses ???

[onthebottom]

As much as I hate to agree with that a----- the fact remains that a draft is impossible to be functional in todays military. However, MANDATORY SERVICE similar to Israel, is a very real possibility especially if Bush is re-elected (not going to happen OTB) - he would be able to say he didn't go back on his promise about the draft.


bbk

Neither is going to happen, we are wasting a 100k troops protecting f*cking Europe for heavens sake.

OTB

 

[WoodPeckr]

According to Bush it's going to take 6 years to move those troops so........

bbk

Bingo! That's my point the Draft will have to come back. Keeping existing troops in place for the next 6 years is just that 'backdoor draft,' which just won't fly.

This is Dubya's 'War On Terror' troop, and you are in it for the DURATION!

MANDATORY SERVICE is a nice try but merely a play on words ......but it is still the DRAFT, no ifs, ands or buts, A DRAFT.

Bush if re-elected, perish the thought, will claim National Security as he brings back the DRAFT.

Kerry if he wins is just stuck with Dubya's mess and may be forced to claim the same in bringing back the DRAFT. If Kerry were to just pull out the troops the GOP would SQUEAL LIKE STUCK PIGS SO LOUDLY it would be heard all the way to China...

.......In the meantime Halliburton et al., you know those who are really calling the shots will continue to rake in the dough! After all the Military-Industrial Complex comes first.....they will have a very merry Xmas, or two, or three,..........

 

[langeweile]

haliburton, haliburton, haliburton, haliburton.....if you keep repeating it, maybe one day people believe it.

http://www.capitaleye.org/iraqchart.3.12.03.asp

According to the above link, the D's are just pissed, because they didn't get a larger chunk of the contribution from Haliburton.

Well they got enough from the other major contractors.

 

[langeweile]

If you read the chart carefully thay did get 5%.

 

[langeweile]

if you read further some other contractors have their own favorites. It is called politics.

 

[onthebottom]

But Mandatory Draft is a way to say I didn't lie - toss in the ability to do community service instead and it looks different than a draft. BTW what they will do is that you have to have some skill and Congressman's recommendation for community service - once again the elite will have a way out of the draft - I mean mandatory service.



bbk

damn I'm getting way to cynical

Never Never Never going to happen, the psychology of Vietnam would never allow it again. There are so many advantages to a professional military that rounding up a few thousand more kids with a draft would be a net negative. In fact I'd say that the fact that you belive it shows how little about the US you really know (regardless of if you live here or not)

I stand by my assertion that the US will move to a much more isolationist stance post Iraq, pulling the troops home and waiting for the next idiot to attack.

OTB

 

[langeweile]

Isolationist?? in this day and age - I doubt that very much. US Companies have way to many ties to the rest of the planet for the US to do that.


bbk

Agreed.
The assets of corporations in an ever expanding global market, will have a great influence on the politics of any country.

 

[WoodPeckr]

US Army Platoon, Mutiny in Iraq

..... There are so many advantages to a professional military that rounding up a few thousand more kids with a draft would be a net negative......OTB

Perhaps "Mutiny in time or War" is one of these "Advantages." It will be very interesting to see how the professional military handles this "Mutiny Incident" with the elections just around the corner.

Army Reserve Unit Reportedly Balked at Risky Mission in Iraq

Sat Oct 16, 7:55 AM ET
Top Stories - Los Angeles Times

By Mark Mazzetti and Ellen Barry Times Staff Writers

WASHINGTON — The U.S. Army has launched an investigation into reports that members of an Army Reserve unit in Iraq refused to carry out a convoy supply mission this week, military officials said Friday.

The incident came to light when relatives of the soldiers under investigation declared that the troops disobeyed orders to drive in the convoy because they considered it a "suicide mission."

The troops believed that the poor condition of their fuel trucks and the lack of armored vehicles to escort them meant that the mission would be too dangerous, the family members said. The soldiers decided to express their concerns to commanders on base.

The reservists are part of a fuel platoon from the 343rd Quartermaster Company, a South Carolina-based unit charged with delivering food, fuel, water and supplies to frontline troops throughout Iraq.

Since the fall of Baghdad in April 2003, supply convoys have been among the most dangerous missions in Iraq, with insurgents attacking with rockets, small-arms fire and roadside bombs.

A U.S. military statement issued from Baghdad said 19 members of the fuel platoon failed to appear at a scheduled formation at 7 a.m. Wednesday in Tallil, a U.S. military base in Iraq. The formation was called to prepare for a fuel convoy mission to Taji, a town north of Baghdad.

The statement did not provide details about why the troops refused the mission.

The link:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...TION?SITE=MSJAD&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

 

[WoodPeckr]

It will be interesting how this plays out. The soldiers main claims for 'refusal of orders' are saying the fuel was contaminated and their vehicles lacked proper armor. Several involved soldiers have told family members they have been reduced in rank already as punishment. Brig. Gen. Chambers the CO, is looking into what further actions may be taken against this supply platoon.