Immigration from incompatible cultures

[Uwauwa]

So they study, and get a work permit, and then get PR, and then citizenship.
That sounds like legal immigration to me.

Except they study at the fake diploma mill schools. It is a scam created for the purpose of bypassing merit -based immigration or avoiding proper education that comes at high cost. They get fake useless 1-2 year diplomas such as “international business”. And then work as uber drivers or other types of jobs.

With LMIA, it is a scam most of the time: Employees create fake job postings. They fail all local applicants and hire Indians. At least in some cases the jobs advertise pay of $32/hour to qualify for certain level of LMIA. The foreigner agrees to pay back, unofficially, a half of their salary as part of the deal. The employer promises support of their PR application in return.
In other instances small businesses use LMIA to bring their relatives to Canada. Because nobody else knows how to make hummus the way they do.

 

[Hghunter]

So you are saying that most Muslims reject the basic core teaching of the Koran?

Very broad question.

The core teachings of only one God? That Muslims should be charitable? That they should pray? That they should believe in social justice and peaceful living? That Mohammad and Jesus were both prophets of God? That the mother Mary is recognized as the most important woman? That usury is forbidden?

I’m sure you have one that is subjectively interpreted and involves hatred for westerners and Christian values that I’m missing that you heard on fox news and it had you terrified to leave your home.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Except they study at the fake diploma mill schools. It is a scam....
With LMIA, it is a scam most of the time.....

Yes, although student and work visa fraud does exist these scams are not the norm.
They are outliers when you look at the total volume of visa applications.
However, the points system applies to Permanent Residency and is an objective, criteria-based method of assessing candidates. It cannot be “faked” in the way you’re describing. That makes it a fairly robust system.
Linking isolated fraud cases to your broader claim that immigration is from “incompatible cultures” is a motte-and-bailey - using specific, rare abuses to justify a much broader, cultural argument that those abuses don’t actually prove.

 

[Frankfooter]

Except they study at the fake diploma mill schools. It is a scam created for the purpose of bypassing merit -based immigration or avoiding proper education that comes at high cost. They get fake useless 1-2 year diplomas such as “international business”. And then work as uber drivers or other types of jobs.

With LMIA, it is a scam most of the time: Employees create fake job postings. They fail all local applicants and hire Indians. At least in some cases the jobs advertise pay of $32/hour to qualify for certain level of LMIA. The foreigner agrees to pay back, unofficially, a half of their salary as part of the deal. The employer promises support of their PR application in return.
In other instances small businesses use LMIA to bring their relatives to Canada. Because nobody else knows how to make hummus the way they do.

The shoddy schools started around the time DoFo froze university tuition and started to cut university funding at the same time. Too many schools decided that pushing for international students could cover the difference. That's when other scammers decided to enter the game. Now international students are cut, those schools in major trouble but the legit universities and colleges have now cut 10,000 teachers in Ontario.

 

[Butler1000]

Very broad question.

The core teachings of only one God? That Muslims should be charitable? That they should pray? That they should believe in social justice and peaceful living? That Mohammad and Jesus were both prophets of God? That the mother Mary is recognized as the most important woman? That usury is forbidden?

I’m sure you have one that is subjectively interpreted and involves hatred for westerners and Christian values that I’m missing that you heard on fox news and it had you terrified to leave your home.

That all that only happens when everyone is Muslim, until then it's acceptable to lie to infidels? That jihad is supposed to be the goal?

Ever hear of the carrot and the stick? It's the same things that Christian cults teach. This one just hit bigger.

How about Mohammed was Pedo who married at girl at five and took her virginity at nine?

Nah, I will dead dead and buried long before they are real threat to me. And enjoy travelling. But if you think my travel would include these muslim majority nations I might consider Egypt, and a few along the North African coast, in safe enclaves, and Indonesia in areas still not taken over by imams.

Seriously are trying to claim they are a progressive belief system and system of government?

Btw usury means All borrowing. So you think the entire banking and ecinomic system is wrong too?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

That all that only happens when everyone is Muslim, until then it's acceptable to lie to infidels? That jihad is supposed to be the goal?

Ever hear of the carrot and the stick? It's the same things that Christian cults teach. This one just hit bigger.

How about Mohammed was Pedo who married at girl at five and took her virginity at nine?

Nah, I will dead dead and buried long before they are real threat to me. And enjoy travelling. But if you think my travel would include these muslim majority nations I might consider Egypt, and a few along the North African coast, in safe enclaves, and Indonesia in areas still not taken over by imams.

Seriously are trying to claim they are a progressive belief system and system of government?

Btw usury means All borrowing. So you think the entire banking and ecinomic system is wrong too?

Your post doesn't make sense and is not even a response to Hghunter's question.
You tried to negatively characterize "the core teachings of the Koran".
The core teachings of the Koran include many things that can be considered desirable in any society. Hghunter highlighted some of those.
The Koran probably also has some backward teachings, that don't have a place in modern society, much like Christianity does.
So what "core teachings" are you referring to?
Should Muslims ignore all core teachings in order to be considered "good people" by you?
Is your claim that all practicing Muslims have the exact same interpretation of the Koran and its core teachings, and that they follow all of its core teachings all the time?
Are you saying that Muslims cannot believe and practice core teachings of Islam, while leaving out the bad parts much like many practicing Christians do?
Or is your understanding of what those core teachings are, derived from half baked interpretations on right wing media whose goals are to create fear and push narratives?

 

[Butler1000]

Your post doesn't make sense and is not even a response to Hghunter's question.
You tried to negatively characterize "the core teachings of the Koran".
The core teachings of the Koran include many things that can be considered desirable in any society. Hghunter highlighted some of those.
The Koran probably also has some backward teachings, that don't have a place in modern society, much like Christianity does.
So what "core teachings" are you referring to?
Should Muslims ignore all core teachings in order to be considered "good people" by you?
Is your claim that all practicing Muslims have the exact same interpretation of the Koran and its core teachings, and that they follow all of its core teachings all the time?
Are you saying that Muslims cannot believe and practice core teachings of Islam, while leaving out the bad parts much like many practicing Christians do?
Or is your understanding of what those core teachings are, derived from half baked interpretations on right wing media whose goals are to create fear and push narratives?

How about....the core teachings that get implemented of Sharia law, that you see in every Muslim majority area. You know, anti women, anti capitalist, anti Democratic, anti free speech, anti secular life.

These aren't half baked. They are in practice today.

 

[mandrill]

How about....the core teachings that get implemented of Sharia law, that you see in every Muslim majority area. You know, anti women, anti capitalist, anti Democratic, anti free speech, anti secular life.

These aren't half baked. They are in practice today.

Buddy, you've been on about sharia law and jihad like a broken record for more than 10 years. A decade ago, you announced over and over that as soon as the Muslim population in Canada hit 5%, they would declare jihad on Canadian Christians and launch a terror campaign that would make Usamah Bin Laden look like Gandhi.

Muslims hit 5% of the Canadian population in 2021 and fuck all happened. It was all a dumb fantasy of yours.

A snapshot of the Muslim population in Canada - Statistics Canada

Canada is known for its ethnocultural and religious diversity, with every Canadian contributing to this rich landscape. Data on the origins and religions of the population have been collected by the Census of Canada since 1871. Religious diversity is an important part of the country’s...

www.statcan.gc.ca

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

How about....the core teachings that get implemented of Sharia law, that you see in every Muslim majority area. You know, anti women, anti capitalist, anti Democratic, anti free speech, anti secular life.
These aren't half baked. They are in practice today.

Those examples reflect a specific, extreme interpretation of Sharia, like in Taliban-controlled areas.
Sharia is not a single, uniform code. - it varies widely across Sunni and Shia denominations and their different schools, so practices differ by region and culture.
What you see there is shaped as much by politics and local customs as by religion itself, which is why your interpretation of Islam is half baked.

 

[mandrill]

How about....the core teachings that get implemented of Sharia law, that you see in every Muslim majority area. You know, anti women, anti capitalist, anti Democratic, anti free speech, anti secular life.

These aren't half baked. They are in practice today.

Yes, in the Middle East. Not in Canada.

 

[Frankfooter]

How about....the core teachings that get implemented of Sharia law, that you see in every Muslim majority area. You know, anti women, anti capitalist, anti Democratic, anti free speech, anti secular life.

These aren't half baked. They are in practice today.

Wow, sounds as extreme as this.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1954176394662977890

 

[Butler1000]

Those examples reflect a specific, extreme interpretation of Sharia, like in Taliban-controlled areas.
Sharia is not a single, uniform code. - it varies widely across Sunni and Shia denominations and their different schools, so practices differ by region and culture.
What you see there is shaped as much by politics and local customs as by religion itself, which is why your interpretation of Islam is half baked.

The problem, once the majority is achieved, the extremists win. There are no muslim majority long standing liberal secular, democracies. Only dictatorships and theocracies. Or in transition to one of the two. There are none developing into Western types with the freedoms inherent.

You do realize it's the same in many ways as a right wing Christian ideology right? Other posters who point this out are only making my argument for me.

 

[kherg007]

The problem, once the majority is achieved, the extremists win. There are no muslim majority long standing liberal secular, democracies. Only dictatorships and theocracies. Or in transition to one of the two. There are none developing into Western types with the freedoms inherent.

You do realize it's the same in many ways as a right wing Christian ideology right? Other posters who point this out are only making my argument for me.

True.
The extreme version of Christianity does believe they are destined to rule, and not to do so in a democracy. And do so claiming they have some pipeline directly to God. Same w extreme Islam. All extremists believe they know the truth, and as the late George Carlin said, the more devout, the more "negotiable" the whole "thou shall not kill" thing seems to be.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

The problem, once the majority is achieved, the extremists win. There are no muslim majority long standing liberal secular, democracies. Only dictatorships and theocracies. Or in transition to one of the two. There are none developing into Western types with the freedoms inherent.

Most Muslim-majority countries aren’t run by extremists, and several like Albania, Kosovo, and Senegal are stable secular democracies. Only a small minority are theocratic or militant.

You do realize it's the same in many ways as a right wing Christian ideology right?

In the West, authoritarian Christian nationalism is a far more imminent and existential threat than Islamic authoritarianism, since Muslims are a minority that is well integrated.

 

[Frankfooter]

The problem, once the majority is achieved, the extremists win. There are no muslim majority long standing liberal secular, democracies. Only dictatorships and theocracies. Or in transition to one of the two. There are none developing into Western types with the freedoms inherent.

You do realize it's the same in many ways as a right wing Christian ideology right? Other posters who point this out are only making my argument for me.

Ok, so we only have to worry if Canada lets in another 20 million Muslims, but only if they are all extremists and not the majority moderates that are here now.

 

[Frankfooter]

True.
The extreme version of Christianity does believe they are destined to rule, and not to do so in a democracy. And do so claiming they have some pipeline directly to God. Same w extreme Islam. All extremists believe they know the truth, and as the late George Carlin said, the more devout, the more "negotiable" the whole "thou shall not kill" thing seems to be.

The extremist Christians are the born again crowd that want to accelerate to armageddon for the extended vacay.
Like Hegsmith and this one.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1956069656663318649

 

[kherg007]

The extremist Christians are the born again crowd that want to accelerate to armageddon for the extended vacay.
Like Hegsmith and this one.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1956069656663318649

This to me is always jarring that so many people including the media don't realize the Christian fundamentalists love Israel because they are barracking for humanity to be wiped out in Armageddon. Apparently they believe various signs including founding Israel, then moving the capital to Jerusalem, etc etc will bring the second coming.
Maybe they need to be referred to routinely as a doomsday cult.

 

[mandrill]

Most Muslim-majority countries aren’t run by extremists, and several like Albania, Kosovo, and Senegal are stable secular democracies. Only a small minority are theocratic or militant.

In the West, authoritarian Christian nationalism is a far more imminent and existential threat than Islamic authoritarianism, since Muslims are a minority that is well integrated.

Most Middle Eastern Muslim countries are extremely violent sectarian shit piles. But that's due to the nature of that part of the world.

 

[Butler1000]

Most Muslim-majority countries aren’t run by extremists, and several like Albania, Kosovo, and Senegal are stable secular democracies. Only a small minority are theocratic or militant.

In the West, authoritarian Christian nationalism is a far more imminent and existential threat than Islamic authoritarianism, since Muslims are a minority that is well integrated.

You sure....go look at Europe.

 

[Butler1000]

This to me is always jarring that so many people including the media don't realize the Christian fundamentalists love Israel because they are barracking for humanity to be wiped out in Armageddon. Apparently they believe various signs including founding Israel, then moving the capital to Jerusalem, etc etc will bring the second coming.
Maybe they need to be referred to routinely as a doomsday cult.

It is a doomsday cult.