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[Cinema Face]

All men are created equal. However, cultures are anything but equal. Some are just more successful than others. Throughout history, failed cultures have died out while the successful ones have endured.

Education is just one part of an even bigger problem. The real problem is culture.

All those successful Jewish people achieved their success through excellence, dedication and lots and lots of hard work. There is no magic, nothing genetically unique about Jews. Theirs is a culture that fosters overachievement. Education is a means to an end.

Islam is a culture of failure. It is a retrograde culture, stuck in a 7th century Arabian barbarian mentality. It’s a culture of hate, intolerance, bigotry and misogyny. The education is fixated in memorizing Qur’anic verses that nobody understands and endless mind numbing ritual. They virtually ignore math, science and other disciplines but they do teach Gryfin’s distorted version of history where Muslims are always the victims but will someday rule the world.

 

[fuji]

Oh come on...save this BS of Iran bashing..aren't you tired of it?

Dude, I'm not Iran bashing, I'm just relaying the information to you. It's an internationally recognized and respected group of academics who specialize in quality of education issues who are Iran bashing.

"Sharif University" <-- Not on the list. Sorry. It did not make the cut.

 

[fuji]

Here's a different list of the world's top Universities, there's a whole list, but this is just the Universities in the Middle East and Asia:

http://www.usnews.com/articles/educ...op-asian-and-middle-eastern-universities.html

China and Japan are well represented, and Israel has a couple. Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea is there. Hell, even Thailand managed to make the list.

Whoops, sorry Persis--Iran didn't make the cut.

 

[Inferno]

"Sharif University" <-- Not on the list. Sorry. It did not make the cut.

I guess it was "measured and found wanting", eh percy?

 

[landscaper]

Isn't curbbing the the flow of knowledge a byproduct of all religion? It's just a question of how powerful the religion happens to be in any particular country. Without seperation of church and state in the US do you think evolution or creationism would be taught?

Religious issues concerning science and information go back as far as science and religion have been arguing.

For the most part it has been a fight over control, the more information people have the better the chances are of them making a decision based on that information.

Religions have been trying to ensure their control of theri adherants for ever. Interestingly their are a large number of scientists who are devotly religious. Apparantly they can make the choice of their concience with enough information.

 

[fuji]

Here's another list of top universities:

http://www.topuniversities.com/university_rankings/results/2008/overall_rankings/fullrankings/

Iran is finally on this list. No Iranian school is good enough to get a numeric ranking but in the unranked group of "400-500" schools Tehran University is way down near the bottom, and Sharif shows up in the unranked "500+" category.

There are other Islamic countries that had substantially better Universities. Malaysia had several schools higher up on the list, as did Indonesia and Turkey.

The best school in any Islamic country is the Universiti Malaya in Malaysia, at spot #230 on this list.

 

[Rockslinger]

All men are created equal. However, cultures are anything but equal. Some are just more successful than others. Throughout history, failed cultures have died out while the successful ones have endured.

My goodness, we are really stepping into politically incorrect territory now. No, not all men are created equal. It has been scientifically proven that some ethnic groups are more intellectually (or physically or sexually) blessed than others. How does one explain the perpetual failure of the "Dark Continent" from the beginning of time?

 

[gryfin]

My goodness, we are really stepping into politically incorrect territory now. No, not all men are created equal. It has been scientifically proven that some ethnic groups are more intellectually (or physically or sexually) blessed than others. How does one explain the perpetual failure of the "Dark Continent" from the beginning of time?

Can you spell "Idiot"?

There's always that stink of racism lingering in the heart of every zionist supporter.

 

[Rockslinger]

There's always that stink of racism lingering in the heart of every zionist supporter.

Call it whatever you like but can any RATIONAL person argue that some societies are successful and others are not? If all men are created equal then why are some men 5'4" and some are 6'4"? Why are some men smart and some men dumb?

 

[kmalle]

Islam is a culture of failure. It is a retrograde culture, stuck in a 7th century Arabian barbarian mentality. It’s a culture of hate, intolerance, bigotry and misogyny. The education is fixated in memorizing Qur’anic verses that nobody understands and endless mind numbing ritual. They virtually ignore math, science and other disciplines but they do teach Gryfin’s distorted version of history where Muslims are always the victims but will someday rule the world.

Dude, you are really living on a different planet. The Arab culture transformed by Islam laid the foundation for our modern information. Go check out the show at the Ontario Science Center on the Sultans of Science.

http://www.sultans-of-science.com/about.htm

http://www.ontariosciencecentre.ca/calendar/default.asp?eventid=824&ddmmyyyy=13022009

A point of note the Golden Age of Judaism was under Muslim rule in Spain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_Jewish_culture_in_Spain

Go learn your history before spewing your ignorant vitriolic spiel.

 

[capncrunch]

My goodness, we are really stepping into politically incorrect territory now. No, not all men are created equal. It has been scientifically proven that some ethnic groups are more intellectually (or physically or sexually) blessed than others. How does one explain the perpetual failure of the "Dark Continent" from the beginning of time?

I think that there's some misinterpretation going on here.

It's true that not all men are created equally in stature, intellectual ability and all the rest. But all ARE equal - at least, supposed to be - in the eyes of the law and human rights. It's not supposed to be like in the original draft of the US Constitution whereby a black slave was worth 2/3 of a white man (or something like that... too lazy to go look it up at the moment).

So the equality isn't about ability or prowess or anything of the sort. It's about what they deserve as human beings in the way of rights, and what's expected of them in the way of responsibilities.

 

[Rockslinger]

But all ARE equal - at least, supposed to be - in the eyes of the law and human rights.

Absolutely, totally in agreement.

 

[fuji]

There's always that stink of racism lingering in the heart of every zionist supporter.

But you wouldn't be the least bit racist?

Do you support or oppose the killing of Israeli civilians, Gryf?

 

[basketcase]

... How does one explain the perpetual failure of the "Dark Continent" from the beginning of time?

Actually it likely has to do with factors such as geography, trade, and cultural interactions more than anything (and not what race based theories state).

In some ways, major African empires were more sustainable than European ones and only lost out because the continual conflict in Europe caused the colonial powers to make to to kill better.

 

[persis]

Here's another list of top universities:

http://www.topuniversities.com/university_rankings/results/2008/overall_rankings/fullrankings/

Iran is finally on this list. No Iranian school is good enough to get a numeric ranking but in the unranked group of "400-500" schools Tehran University is way down near the bottom, and Sharif shows up in the unranked "500+" category.

There are other Islamic countries that had substantially better Universities. Malaysia had several schools higher up on the list, as did Indonesia and Turkey.

The best school in any Islamic country is the Universiti Malaya in Malaysia, at spot #230 on this list.

don't dude me... for once read and understand....
as i said those list are developed using quantitative elements [stuff that they can use to measure and compare] over years and the change from year to year IF THEY HAVE THE DATA!!!...
they normally use
SIZE
VISIBILITY
RICH FILES / PROGRAMS
# of SCHOLAR
PEER/STUDENT REVIEWS
and worse of all, Advertisement $$ ...etc


It is not about qualitative measurements .... you do understand the differences..don't you? hint . . .Qualitative vs quantitative

Finally may be you should also bother to read the fine notes or the methodology they used and why they excluded certain universities..etc
i.e.
..fewer data are available to evaluate each university and the statistical appropriateness of discerning one university from the next begins to decay. Responses for institutions in our survey drop off exponentially from the top of the table, by the time it gets past 400 the results become highly sensitive to error.




here again read what I said... don't just ignore and play stupid by repeating your monbo jumbo
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FYI...Stanford's electrical engineering PHD entrance exam is constantly aced by Sharif University grads is a better indication of Iranian education system than the BS list of university rankings developed base on quantitative measures i.e. number of programs, scholars, research centers...etc...

i.e...in terms of academic excellence, the GPA of admitted students, the quality of faculty and alumni and the national and worldwide reputation, Sharif University of Technology is the most prestigious Iranian engineering school and is sometimes referred to as the MIT of Iran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharif_University

Sharif University: International recognition

Sharif University has been noted beyond the borders of Iran. The chair of Electrical Engineering Department of Stanford University has announced that: "Without a doubt the finest university in the world preparing undergraduate electrical engineers is Sharif University of Technology in Tehran"
Professor Burton Richter's opinion about Sharif's students during his speech was: "The students here are very impressive, I expect to hear a lot more from you all in the future."In 2008 in response to an invitation from the president of Sharif University of Technology, six of presidents of U.S. research universities visited Iran. The group includes Jared Cohon of Carnegie Mellon University, J. Bernard Machen of the University of Florida; C. Daniel Mote, Jr. of the University of Maryland, College Park; David Skorton of Cornell University; Larry Vanderhoef of the University of California, Davis and David Leebron from Rice University. This recognition is highly valuable, as there is no political connection between Iran and United States.

 

[LancsLad]

Show us boobs or get a new sig.



I didn't know that Omar taught school.




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[jjp]

My goodness, we are really stepping into politically incorrect territory now. No, not all men are created equal. It has been scientifically proven that some ethnic groups are more intellectually (or physically or sexually) blessed than others. How does one explain the perpetual failure of the "Dark Continent" from the beginning of time?

Just out of curiosity could you provide the "scientifically proven" rank of ethnic groups from smartest to dumbest?

 

[persis]

Just out of curiosity could you provide the "scientifically proven" rank of ethnic groups from smartest to dumbest?

Can't the list be by religion instead?
if so I do have an idea ...
Never mind, I have an idea for both

BY Ethnicity:
smartest = Jews
dumbest = Everybody else

By Religion:
smartest = Jews
dumbest = Everybody else' religion

 

[jjp]

I'd like to here that as well. Being an atheist I'd rate them all equally foolish. Well, maybe scientology would lead the field by a hair.

 

[Rockslinger]

Just out of curiosity could you provide the "scientifically proven" rank of ethnic groups from smartest to dumbest?

I can't do it because it is socially unacceptable and politically incorrect. But, there is this professor at the University of Waterloo (or Western Ontario) who did a study and released the results and he was censured (try Google to find the study).

Also, did you know that California universities restrict the admission of a certain ethnic group because it would be grossly out of proportion to their demographics? If admission was based strictly on merit, this particular ethnic group would make up 80% (socially and politically unacceptable) of the university student population.

Michigan universities used to have a quota system to ensure that members of a certain visible minority group get admitted to university even though not justified by their scholastic scores.