Interview with an IMAM.......

[brat_man_7]

This is very eye-opening! Please read!!!!


Living in the Detroit area I can concur with this, we have more Muslims in our neighborhood monthly and they are very active in the schools preaching all the time about their "rights" and how tolerant we should be of their faith. However toleration is a one way street with them. We are to learn about Ramadan, etc. but they are not to learn about Easter or Christmas. What is below is very true.

"In God We Trust"
The Basics of Islam

This is a must read -- it's short but Very Informative! The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States, especially in the minority races!

Allah or Jesus? by Rick Mathes

Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their beliefs. I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say.

The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam complete with a video. After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers. When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked:"Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"

There was no disagreement with my statements and without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!" I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?" The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He sheepishly replied, "Yes."


I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to Heaven!" The Imam was speechless. I continued, "I also have a problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah who tells you to kill me in order to go to Heaven or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be with me?" You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head.

Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the "Diversification" training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslim's beliefs.


I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized.

Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts. This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well-known leader in prison
ministry.

 

[goodtime]

Very distored view of a few. I've relatives that are muslim, not 'radical' but peaceful love thy neighbor fellow man muslims. It's a peaceful religion.

You'll be surprise how much a typical muslim knows about the other religions. It has some of the same teachings just different intrepretations of god & his words.

Few extremist twists words from 'the book' to further their cause. No different from any other radical groups whether religious or not, IRA, abortion groups bombing clinics, KKK, Militias in backwoods of Michigan/Ohio, groups bombing churches/mosq...

Like any other faith, when attacked, you have the right for self-defence. Extreme groups choose to twist the text to further their cause.

One of my best friend is trying to teach Islam youths the true meaning of Islam. It's hard in the poor countries as they see the innocent lives killed in Iraq & Afgan. How much more killing to repay for lives of 911?

 

[tboy]

Dude, next time you post something put it in a correct paragraph format? That's insanely difficult to read.....

As for muslim's and their order/commandment to kill infidels, just remember it wasn't too long ago that the christian faith went on crusades and killed any who didn't convert.......idiocy isn't restricted to this one faith.....

 

[Cinema Face]

Those are great questions, Brat, that should be asked of every Muslim.

 

[goodtime]

Questions for every religious extremist. Not just Muslims

 

[scroll99]

This is very eye-opening!
Please read!!!!
Living in the Detroit area I can concur with this, we have
More Muslims in our neighborhood monthly and they are very active in
The schools preaching all the time about their "rights" and how tolerant we should be of their faith. However toleration is a one way street with them.
We are to learn about Ramadan, etc. but they are not to learn about
Easter
or Christmas. What is below is very true. "In God We Trust"
The Basics of Islam
This is a must read -- it's short but Very
Informative!
The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion
per
capita in the United States, especially in the minority races!
Allah or Jesus? by Rick Mathes
Last month I attended my annual training session
that's
required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During
the
training session there was a presentation by three speakers
representing the
Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of
their
beliefs.
I was particularly interested in what the Islamic
Imam had
to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam
complete
with a video. After the presentations, time was provided for questions
and
answers. When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and
asked:"Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most
Imams and
clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the
infidels
of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to
all
Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case,
can you
give me the definition of an infidel?"
There was no disagreement with my statements and
without
hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!" I responded, "So, let me
make
sure I have this straight. All
followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is
not
of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?"
The expression on his face changed from one of
authority
and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with
his hand
in the cookie jar. He sheepishly replied, "Yes."
I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem
trying to
imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your
faith
or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to
Heaven!" The Imam was speechless.
I continued, "I also have a problem with being your
friend
when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill
me.
Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah who tells
you to
kill me in order to go to Heaven or my Jesus who tells me to love you
because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be with me?"
You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his
head.

Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of
the
"Diversification" training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of
dealing
with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslim's
beliefs.
I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to
read
this, but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the
ACLU,
there is no way this will be widely publicized.
Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts. This
is a
true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well-known leader in
prison
ministry.

dude , this chain-letter is from 2004 and here is the reply

quote :
Third-party accounts of the events in question paint a significantly different picture than the one offered by Mathes. Tim Kniest, spokesman for the Missouri Department of Corrections, told the Lee news service that the training session in question was for prison volunteers and took place in a corrections facility in Fulton, MO. However, according to Kniest, prison officials' recollection of events that day differ from Mathes' in several aspects:

* Religious leaders representing faiths followed by current inmates were invited to present.

* The presenter on Islam was not an Imam, but rather a Muslim inmate who was pressed into presenting after no Imam could be arranged.

* Prison officials confirm that the Muslim inmate was asked a few questions that he was unable to answer, but none along the lines of those suggested by Mr. Mathes.

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/rickmathes.html

 

[jogabonito]

Jihad means to strive or to Struggle in the way of god, Go to wikipedia. So much ignorance its unbelievable. Did you know "The christians" during the crusuade coined the term Jihad as Holy war?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

 

[alan9080]

Here we go again!!!.......just like they use to scare us about the commusits in the past, now its the muslims who are out there to get us!!! get over it.
The only thing to fear is fear itself.

 

[jogabonito]

the state we are in its similiar to Pre world war 2. When hitler made everyone believe Jews are a threat to society. Look whats happening today, Its now the muslims turn

 

[Cinema Face]

Jihad means to strive or to Struggle in the way of god, Go to wikipedia. So much ignorance its unbelievable. Did you know "The christians" during the crusuade coined the term Jihad as Holy war?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

Ignorance really is unbelievable.

You’re right about one thing. Jihad does mean “struggle.” So does Mein Kampf. It means “My Struggle.” That doesn’t mean that it’s a benign struggle.

Jihad is mentioned more than 70 times in the Qur’an. Every time it’s used to describe fighting holy war in Allah’s cause against the unbelievers.

Here’s what it says about Jihad on a footnote in the Noble Qur’an:

"Jihad is holy fighting in Allah's Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite."

 

[scroll99]

Approximately fourteen hundred years ago, Prophet Muhammad, the last in the line of the prophets of Islam, received revelation from God known as the Qur'an, which is the Final Testament. He came with a message of peace and reconciliation, mercy and compassion. Yet, ever since the beginning of the call of Islam, its image and that of Muslims has been subject to distortion, misconceptions, and misinterpretations.

In our age, the media plays a crucial role in that distortion. Islam is given a sinister image. A word that is often negatively associated with certain acts of violence is the Arabic word jihad. Its significance plays an extremely crucial role in the image of Islam. But what does this so widely known word mean?

Jihad indeed has a great significance in Islam. In order to understand the word we have to start with the lexical meaning. Like any language, Arabic has unique words that have a particular meaning that cannot be accurately translated. The best translation known for jihad is "a sincere and noticeable effort (for good); an all-true and unselfish striving for spiritual goodness."

Jihad: Striving for Goodness and Righteousness:

Jihad, as presented in the Qur'an implies the striving towards the ideal. This jihad, particularly involves change in one's self and mentality. It may concern the sacrifice of material property, social class constraints, and even emotional comfort, solely for, salvation and the worship of God alone. As a result, one who practices jihad will gain inward peace in this world and reward in the hereafter.

The Qur'an says what means

*{The Hereafter is far better for you than this first [life].}* ( Ad-Duha 4:93)

Also, the Qur'an says what means

*{Say: “O my people, do your best, and so will I. You will surely find out who the ultimate victors are.” Certainly, the wicked will never succeed.}*( Al-An`am 6:135)

Jihad involves noticeable effort for righteousness. This means that the effort concentrated in jihad is a step in the true and ultimate path of Islam: the effort addressed to the benefit of one's self. Thus, jihad on this level is individual and self-centered. It aims at purification of the soul. This effort is simply doing good and seeking divine mercy and the pardon of Allah.

The Qur'an points this out by saying what means

*{ The day will come when every soul will serve as its own advocate, and every soul will be paid fully for whatever it had done, without the least injustice.}* (An-Nahl 16:11)

Also:

*{The day will come when each soul will find all the good works it had done brought forth. As for the evil works, it will wish that they were far, far removed. God alerts you that you shall reverence Him alone. God is Compassionate towards the people.}* (Aal `Imran 3:30)

In respect to the above Qur'anic verses, God tells the believers that all acts will reflect the soul of their authors. Examples of this jihad would be to exceed in doing sincerely good deeds, frequenting the mosques, studying the scripture in details,
helping the poor and the orphans, standing for people's right for freedom, being equitable, never bearing false witness, staying in good terms with friends and neighbors: etc.) and to restrain from committing sins (adultery, stealing, lying, cheating, insulting people, gossiping, etc.);This is clarified in the Qur'an :

*{As for those who lead a righteous life, male or female, while believing, they enter Paradise; without the slightest injustice.}* ( An-Nisaa' 4:124)

The previous Qur'anic verse highlights the meaning of jihad and its role. It has also mentioned the importance of the sincerity when it is practiced. Jihad puts emphasis on the individual accountability and the weight of the individual striving in man’s relation with Allah.

Jihad and Justice:

Jihad also includes striving for and establishing justice. Before someone can strive for justice in their community, justice must be one of their main religious and moral principles.

Jihad may also reflect the position of Islam regarding crisis management and enforcement of humanitarian international laws. Fighting a war in the name of justice or Islam - to deter an aggressor, for self-defense, or to establish justice and freedom to practice religion - would also be considered jihad.

The Qur'an says what means

*{You shall strive for the cause of God as you should strive for His cause.}* (Al-Hajj 22:78)


The previous Qur'anic verse incites man to strive in the cause of God. The cause of God is justice and freedom for all, maintaining the Qur'anic principle *{No compulsion in religion}* (Al-Baqarah 2:256).

The Qur'an also says what means

*{As for those who lead a righteous life, male or female, while believing, they enter Paradise; without the slightest injustice.}* (An-Nisaa' 4:124)

*{Never indeed, by your Lord; they are not believers unless they come to you to judge in their disputes, then find no hesitation in their hearts whatsoever in accepting your judgment. They must submit a total submission.}* (An-Nisaa' 4:65)

*{O you who believe, you shall be absolutely equitable, and observe God, when you serve as witnesses, even against yourselves, or your parents, or your relatives. Whether the accused is rich or poor, God takes care of both. Therefore, do not be biased by your personal wishes. If you deviate or disregard [this commandment], then God is Fully Cognizant of everything you do.}* (An-Nisaa' 4:135)

Since this verse shows that God accepts only justice, fighting in the name of God is fighting in the name of justice. But, contrary to many people's interpretation, jihad is anything but a "holy" war.

In the light and essence of Islam and the Qur'an, there is no war that is holy; under any circumstances whatsoever. In fact, the whole text of the Qur'an and the religion of Islam revolve around the concept of peace, not war. To many people's ignorance, Islam is also a word that share the same root of the Arabic word salam, meaning "peace". According to Islam, war is unholy; jihad must mean anything but "holy" war.

However, there are times, in certain circumstances, when Islam tolerates, permits and sometimes even requires the practice of war. Islam strongly emphasizes the ideas of justice, freedom, and opposition to oppression. There is also another condition, which is fighting for the sake of self-defense. War is tolerated in these conditions, but if there is a possibility to avoid war, then this opportunity, as long as it is for the just cause, must be seized.

The Qur'an says what means

*{You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster, and all the equipment you can mobilize, that you may frighten the enemies of GOD, your enemies, as well as others who are not known to you; God knows them. Whatever you spend in the cause of GOD will be repaid to you generously, without the least injustice.
If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in God. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.}* (Al-Anfal 8:60-61)

Self-defense involves struggle against oppression, aggression, and tyranny; Islam tolerates the use of force in these cases. The Qur'an says :

*{Permission [to fight] is granted to those who are being persecuted, since injustice has befallen them, and GOD is certainly able to support them [with victory].
They were evicted from their homes unjustly, for no reason other than saying, "Our Lord is God." If it were not for God's supporting of some people against others, monasteries, churches, synagogues, and masjids [mosques] where the name of God is commemorated frequently would have been destroyed. Absolutely, God supports those who support Him. God is Powerful, Almighty.}* (Al-Hajj 22:39-40)

The other condition and perhaps the most important and often confused as a holy war, is the war in the name of God, which actually means in the cause of God.
God does not encourage war, but rather encourages peace whenever possible. Fighting an oppressor or an aggressor is fighting against oppression or aggression, thus it is fighting for justice and therefore in the name (cause) of God. Please seeAl-Baqarah 2:244 and Al-Hajj 22:78.


Also:

*{Those who readily fight in the cause of God are those who forsake this world in favor of the Hereafter. Whoever fights in the cause of God, then gets killed, or attains victory, we will surely grant him a great recompense.
Why should you not fight in the cause of God when weak men, women, and children are imploring: "Our Lord, deliver us from this community whose people are oppressive, and be You our Lord and Master."}* (An-Nisaa' 4:74:75)

Even in times of war, Muslims must respect their adversaries’ humanity. Brutal and barbaric atrocities are prohibited in Islam. Islam condemns barbaric killing of any human being. During military actions, civilians must not be targeted, as long as they do not attack, provoke or share directly in the war. Enemies, even at time of war, must be treated justly. Prisoners of war have basic human rights, stated in shari`aH.

If victory is achieved in any war for justice, then there is to be no oppression, revenge or injustice to the people of the enemy. Nor must there be control over the sources of the wealth of the nation or people, or even establishment of colonial regimes. Justice and freedom must be established. Tolerance towards cultures and peoples is basic, too.

Allah says what means

*{God advocates justice, charity, and regarding the relatives. And He forbids evil, vice, and transgression. He enlightens you, that you may take heed.}* (An-Nahl 16:90)

*{O people, we created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of God is the most righteous. God is Omniscient, Cognizant.}*(Al-Hujurat 49:13)

 

[jogabonito]

Ignorance really is unbelievable.

You’re right about one thing. Jihad does mean “struggle.” So does Mein Kampf. It means “My Struggle.” That doesn’t mean that it’s a benign struggle.

Jihad is mentioned more than 70 times in the Qur’an. Every time it’s used to describe fighting holy war in Allah’s cause against the unbelievers.

Here’s what it says about Jihad on a footnote in the Noble Qur’an:

which qur'an you reading?!!! You know there are certain degrees with jihad and has to follow God's Supreme laws. Unlike Mein Kampf, ITS HIS STRUGGLE, not struggle towards God. Scroll 99 made a terrific reply. GO read it, and btw Did you even read what jihad means on wikipedia? you completley ignored the rulings. Much props to Scroll99

 

[scroll99]

which qur'an you reading?!!! You know there are certain degrees with jihad and has to follow God's Supreme laws. Unlike Mein Kampf, ITS HIS STRUGGLE, not struggle towards God. Scroll 99 made a terrific reply. GO read it, and btw Did you even read what jihad means on wikipedia? you completley ignored the rulings. Much props to Scroll99

cinemaface just loves to follow the Bin-Laden or Robert Spencer / FRONTPAGEMAG meaning of the translations and context and frequently tries to have the save affect as OBL does by quoting Quran literally and out of context ....

the difference is that OBL claims to do it for Muslims and CF atempts to cut and paste distortions or false info. from hate websites against Muslims to spread hatred

 

[jogabonito]

no Islam, Christianity, Judiasm etcc.... are peaceful religions, Its the Muslims, Christians and Jews that are not peaceful

 

[Keebler Elf]

When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked:"Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"

That was a very inflammatory thing to say and tells me two things:

1) The questioner is either ignorant or has an axe to grind; and

2) The questioner is looking for an equally inflammatory answer that he can then put in his book to sell to equally ignorant people like himself who are looking for reasons to hate Islam.

That's like going up to whatever the Jewish equivalent of a priest is and saying, "So I hear your people killed Jesus."

Are there Islamic fundamentalists who support/preach terrorism? Absolutely. Are they the majority? Absolutely not. But if you're a Muslim who has to choose between someone like yourself who has negative things to say about the West or someone from the West who automatically assumes you're a terrorist and should go back to being a "sand nigger", which of those two people are you going to sympathize with?

Ignorant books like this one add nothing to the solution that's needed between Islam and the West.

Btw, I've been to a Mosque in the GTA and interviewed the imam. He was most helpful and informative. If there was any feelings of insecurity, it was on both our parts as I was an "outsider" asking a lot of questions about his faith. The only concern I have from the experience is that the teachers at the mosque seemed a little strict with their students (children); nothing worse than you'd see at a strick Catholic school though. That being said, one could equally argue that such discipline is what we've lost in our society's schools and churches - to our detriment.

 

[Cinema Face]

Scroll, not one of your Qur’anic quotes say anything about Jihad. Here’s what your (un)holy book says:

Qur'an:9:111 "Allah has purchased the believers, their lives and their goods. For them (in return) is the Garden (of Paradise). They fight in Allah's Cause, and they slay and are slain; they kill and are killed."


Qur'an:47:4 "So, when you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."


Qur'an:9:122 "It is not proper for the Believers to all go forth together to fight Jihad. A troop from every expedition should remain behind when others go to war."


Qur'an:33:22 "Among the Believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah and have gone out for Jihad. Some have completed their vow to extreme and have been martyred fighting and dying in His Cause, and some are waiting, prepared for death in battle."


Yup. There’s not much left to interpretation. Every one of these quotes describes Jihad as war, violence, killing and dying. The Qur’an is very clear on this subject.

So, Scroll, are you telling me then that your beloved Qur’an is full of shit? That it didn’t really mean that when it describes Jihad as holy war? Do you think you got it right and your prophet got it wrong?


Another question: If you are a true believer in Islam, that is, if you believe all those meaningless quotes you posted, then what the hell are you doing on an escort review board? That makes you the biggest hypocrite.

This is not the most appropriate place for you to do your Qur'an thumping.

 

[scroll99]

Scroll, not one of your Qur’anic quotes say anything about Jihad. Here’s what your (un)holy book says:

Qur'an:9:111 "Allah has purchased the believers, their lives and their goods. For them (in return) is the Garden (of Paradise). They fight in Allah's Cause, and they slay and are slain; they kill and are killed."


Qur'an:47:4 "So, when you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."


Qur'an:9:122 "It is not proper for the Believers to all go forth together to fight Jihad. A troop from every expedition should remain behind when others go to war."


Qur'an:33:22 "Among the Believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah and have gone out for Jihad. Some have completed their vow to extreme and have been martyred fighting and dying in His Cause, and some are waiting, prepared for death in battle."


Yup. There’s not much left to interpretation. Every one of these quotes describes Jihad as war, violence, killing and dying. The Qur’an is very clear on this subject.

So, Scroll, are you telling me then that your beloved Qur’an is full of shit? That it didn’t really mean that when it describes Jihad as holy war? Do you think you got it right and your prophet got it wrong?


Another question: If you are a true believer in Islam, that is, if you believe all those meaningless quotes you posted, then what the hell are you doing on an escort review board? That makes you the biggest hypocrite.

This is not the most appropriate place for you to do your Qur'an thumping.

All your quotes are out of context/distorted/taken literally and refers to time during the wars 1400 hundred years ago .

Anyone who is following your hatemongering since last 1 year will know that I have replied these out of context distortion zillions of time of which
many threads are deleted now.

and regarding why I am on this board , yes I can tell you that it must be very disappointing and unexpecting to you since you thought it will be a free ride for you to spread hatred and since now you are confronted by many muslims and non-muslims so you better crawl back to your basement.

so your argument says that why I am replying on the escort review board to your distorted postings ?

does it mean that people on the escort review board are so lowly that
that they should not confront the false and distorted information directed agains an "identifiable group."

I am pretty sure that if all your posts ( including the threads which wre taken offline ) are forwarded to authorites you will be charged for willfully promoting hatred.

but na , I wont do that since it is the people like you which when confronted will ultimately help people to understand bigotry and ignorance against Islam... as the truth will come out even after the mass media ignorance
you are just a wingnut trying to take advantage of the current political environment

and btw this is a escort review board post how did you manage to preach hatemongering millions of times against an identifiable group on this board ?

I told you before Bin-Laden does the same job i.e : takes Quranic quotes literally to spread hatred and you never fail to do the same by pasting 'literal' out of context quotes from likes of Frontpagemag sites .

 

[jogabonito]

Scroll, not one of your Qur’anic quotes say anything about Jihad. Here’s what your (un)holy book says:

Qur'an:9:111 "Allah has purchased the believers, their lives and their goods. For them (in return) is the Garden (of Paradise). They fight in Allah's Cause, and they slay and are slain; they kill and are killed."


Qur'an:47:4 "So, when you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."


Qur'an:9:122 "It is not proper for the Believers to all go forth together to fight Jihad. A troop from every expedition should remain behind when others go to war."


Qur'an:33:22 "Among the Believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah and have gone out for Jihad. Some have completed their vow to extreme and have been martyred fighting and dying in His Cause, and some are waiting, prepared for death in battle."


Yup. There’s not much left to interpretation. Every one of these quotes describes Jihad as war, violence, killing and dying. The Qur’an is very clear on this subject.

So, Scroll, are you telling me then that your beloved Qur’an is full of shit? That it didn’t really mean that when it describes Jihad as holy war? Do you think you got it right and your prophet got it wrong?


Another question: If you are a true believer in Islam, that is, if you believe all those meaningless quotes you posted, then what the hell are you doing on an escort review board? That makes you the biggest hypocrite.

This is not the most appropriate place for you to do your Qur'an thumping.

LOL, i think you just proved to everyone how stupid you are. A verse you posted is made up


33:22 does not say what you pasted. Which "qur'an" you reading?

[33:22] When the Believers saw the Confederate forces, they said: "This is what Allah and his Messenger had promised us, and Allah and His Messenger told us what was true." And it only added to their faith and their zeal in obedience.

And good job taking it out of context. Dude you are pathetic. Can actaully prove to everyone that verse isnt taken out of context?

 

[goodtime]

I can't agree with this. Islam is not more or less peaceful than any other major religion in the world. It's only matter of interpretation.

Agreed. Religions I've come across are peaceful by nature. It's the distorted people that are not.

I'm not religious, it's ok for me to on Terb.

 

[papasmerf]

Approximately fourteen hundred years ago, Prophet Muhammad, the last in the line of the prophets of Islam, received revelation from God known as the Qur'an, which is the Final Testament.

So let me get this straight............When an Arab get revlations from God you follow him blindly. Let it be an American who says he heard from God and you decide it is a lie. Just trying to put you in a clear light.