Iran has captured 15 british marines

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Not surprising at all. In fact a same 'power struggle' is taking place now right here in the USA between Team 'w' neocons and the Dems.
One could make the case that while,
"Yadollah Javani, the head of the Revolutionary Guards’ political bureau, was said to have denounced Safavi accusing him of weakness and “liberal tendencies” and is said to be demanding the hostages be put on trial.'"
That Yadollah Javani talks JUST LIKE DICK Cheney who basically says the SAME THING here in the USA about Nancy Pelosi and the Dems.

Apparently Iran has those that want to 'reign in' their radical-nutjobs just like here in the USA where the Dems are finally trying to 'reign in' our radical-nutjobs, the Team 'w' neocons.....;)
 

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Terery Jones of Monty Python fame weighs in:

Call that humiliation?
No hoods. No electric shocks. No beatings. These Iranians clearly are a very uncivilised bunch
Terry Jones
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I share the outrage expressed in the British press over the treatment of our naval personnel accused by Iran of illegally entering their waters. It is a disgrace. We would never dream of treating captives like this - allowing them to smoke cigarettes, for example, even though it has been proven that smoking kills. And as for compelling poor servicewoman Faye Turney to wear a black headscarf, and then allowing the picture to be posted around the world - have the Iranians no concept of civilised behaviour? For God's sake, what's wrong with putting a bag over her head? That's what we do with the Muslims we capture: we put bags over their heads, so it's hard to breathe. Then it's perfectly acceptable to take photographs of them and circulate them to the press because the captives can't be recognised and humiliated in the way these unfortunate British service people are.

It is also unacceptable that these British captives should be made to talk on television and say things that they may regret later. If the Iranians put duct tape over their mouths, like we do to our captives, they wouldn't be able to talk at all. Of course they'd probably find it even harder to breathe - especially with a bag over their head - but at least they wouldn't be humiliated.

And what's all this about allowing the captives to write letters home saying they are all right? It's time the Iranians fell into line with the rest of the civilised world: they should allow their captives the privacy of solitary confinement. That's one of the many privileges the US grants to its captives in Guantánamo Bay.

The true mark of a civilised country is that it doesn't rush into charging people whom it has arbitrarily arrested in places it's just invaded. The inmates of Guantánamo, for example, have been enjoying all the privacy they want for almost five years, and the first inmate has only just been charged. What a contrast to the disgraceful Iranian rush to parade their captives before the cameras!

What's more, it is clear that the Iranians are not giving their British prisoners any decent physical exercise. The US military make sure that their Iraqi captives enjoy PT. This takes the form of exciting "stress positions", which the captives are expected to hold for hours on end so as to improve their stomach and calf muscles. A common exercise is where they are made to stand on the balls of their feet and then squat so that their thighs are parallel to the ground. This creates intense pain and, finally, muscle failure. It's all good healthy fun and has the bonus that the captives will confess to anything to get out of it.

And this brings me to my final point. It is clear from her TV appearance that servicewoman Turney has been put under pressure. The newspapers have persuaded behavioural psychologists to examine the footage and they all conclude that she is "unhappy and stressed".

What is so appalling is the underhand way in which the Iranians have got her "unhappy and stressed". She shows no signs of electrocution or burn marks and there are no signs of beating on her face. This is unacceptable. If captives are to be put under duress, such as by forcing them into compromising sexual positions, or having electric shocks to their genitals, they should be photographed, as they were in Abu Ghraib. The photographs should then be circulated around the civilised world so that everyone can see exactly what has been going on.

As Stephen Glover pointed out in the Daily Mail, perhaps it would not be right to bomb Iran in retaliation for the humiliation of our servicemen, but clearly the Iranian people must be made to suffer - whether by beefing up sanctions, as the Mail suggests, or simply by getting President Bush to hurry up and invade, as he intends to anyway, and bring democracy and western values to the country, as he has in Iraq.
 

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.. a thousand thanks, being a huge Python fan, ya its amazing with a little humour how the truth can be illuminated.
 

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Monty Python lives!!:p
 

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HEADLINE NEWS:
UK guarantee to stay permanently out of Iranian waters for return of 15 captives
 

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persis said:
HEADLINE NEWS:
UK guarantee to stay permanently out of Iranian waters for return of 15 captives
Sorry Persis, that was already on the wires earlier today. What the U.K. has unofficaly offered is to say is that the R.N. will not knowing enter Iranian Territorial Waters. Hopefully Iran will accept this.

However the U.K remains adamant that the boarding party were not in Iranian Territorial Waters and that they will continue to operate in the same area, and that the rules of engagement will be changed so that there will not be a "next time."
 

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Aardvark154 said:
...the rules of engagement will be changed so that there will not be a "next time."
Curious if the Canadian navy is in that area, and what our rules of engagement are.

Like to see the look on the Iraqi seamen's face next time they are told to go out and grab some hostages.
 

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KBear said:
Curious if the Canadian navy is in that area, and what our rules of engagement are.

Like to see the look on the Iraqi seamen's face next time they are told to go out and grab some hostages.
I noticed you used the word "hostage" insted of "enemy combattent". I take it you know all the facts.
Personally, I do not trust any government.
 

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danmand said:
I noticed you used the word "hostage" insted of "enemy combattent". I take it you know all the facts.
Personally, I do not trust any government.
Who has been using the term "enemy combattent" to describe the 15 sailors the Iraq is holding hostage? Do you consider the sailors to be enemy combatants?
 

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KBear said:
Who has been using the term "enemy combattent" to describe the 15 sailors the Iraq is holding hostage? Do you consider the sailors to be enemy combatants?
I don't, but I also don't consider them "hostages". CNN uses the less inflammatory term "detainees".
 

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bbking said:
.... Iran calls them trespassers, the UK calls them hostages ... Iran would be in big do-do if they called them enemy combatants under Geneva and UN rules.

Lets face it Dan, Iran is playing chicken here for some reason and this action was not called for at all. I suspect it has more to do about internal Iranian politics than anything else.


bbk
Iran's behaviour really doesn't make any sense but you have to wonder if Iran isn't becoming a bit oversensitive about being fucked over by the west. First we invaded them during WWll just in case they ended their declared neutrality and sided with Nazi Germany. Then we forced the older shah to abdicate so that his son would take over and be more sympathetic to western interests (oil). Then we engineered the coup that overthrew their democratically elected government so we could reinstall the hated Shah and his SAVAK secret police. Then we backed Iraq in their war against Iran and secretly destroyed half of Iran's navy around the same time the USS Vincennes was shooting down an unarmed Iranian airliner killing all 290 civilians on board over Iranian waters. These are just the events that have come to light in the last 60 years or so. Given the extent of our interference in that part of the world, I have no doubt that there are dozens of lesser known examples of western dirty tricks carried out against Iran. No wonder they're becoming irrational.
 

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Iran is starting to back off and the illegal Iranians will try and make it look like Britain understands them and is converting to Islam. Translation: Britain has threatened to destroy their oil fields and nuke their fascilities in three days.

Gyaos Baltar.
 

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Gyaos said:
Iran is starting to back off and the illegal Iranians will try and make it look like Britain understands them and is converting to Islam. Translation: Britain has threatened to destroy their oil fields and nuke their fascilities in three days.

Gyaos Baltar.
Not bloody likely.
 

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slowpoke said:
Iran's behaviour really doesn't make any sense but you have to wonder if Iran isn't becoming a bit oversensitive about being fucked over by the west. First we invaded them during WWll just in case they ended their declared neutrality and sided with Nazi Germany. Then we forced the older shah to abdicate so that his son would take over and be more sympathetic to western interests (oil). Then we engineered the coup that overthrew their democratically elected government so we could reinstall the hated Shah and his SAVAK secret police. Then we backed Iraq in their war against Iran and secretly destroyed half of Iran's navy around the same time the USS Vincennes was shooting down an unarmed Iranian airliner killing all 290 civilians on board over Iranian waters. These are just the events that have come to light in the last 60 years or so. Given the extent of our interference in that part of the world, I have no doubt that there are dozens of lesser known examples of western dirty tricks carried out against Iran. No wonder they're becoming irrational.
Sure, while 99% of the world would agree with you there are some like Team 'w' and a few apologists for Dubya on this board that will say, "we were only trying to help them!"
Now Team 'w' is about just ready to 'bring freedom and democracy' to the folks in Iran all over again!........:rolleyes:
 

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hummmmm another sleeper by woody, another Dem trying to cook the books - you must be from Chicago.

OTB
 

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onthebottom said:
hummmmm another sleeper by woody, another Dem trying to cook the books - you must be from Chicago.

OTB
???????....:confused:
I know it's in your genes and all but don't go doin' that JAJA thingy!!!!
 

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WoodPeckr said:
???????....:confused:
I know it's in your genes and all but don't go doin' that JAJA thingy!!!!
Woody

Why is it when you have nothing intellegent to add you toss out the insults???
 

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papasmerf said:
Woody

Why is it when you have nothing intellegent to add you toss out the insults???
LOL!!!
Sometimes it's just fun to mimic your MO!!!.....:p
 

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onthebottom said:
you must be from Chicago.

OTB
It's a great city but I've never been there....;)
 
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