Iran has captured 15 british marines
- Thread starter danmand
- Start date
Seemingly you misread Alienencounters post. The article in the Star to which he referred states that the Royal Navy has GPS evidence that the Iranians crossed 1.7 nautical miles into Iraqi waters to seize the boarding party. Indeed, on Sunday the Iranians originally stated that they had seized the "invading British" at a set of coordinates which is in Iraqi territorial waters. By yesterday having noticed their mistake they gave a new position two nautical miles east - inside Iranian waters.TOVisitor said:Oh yeah sure.
The British soldiers are in Tehran.
You mean they will be making an assault on Tehran real soon?
We saw that movie once before -- and it failed.
To get an accurate first-hand reading of coordinates you have to have the equipments the 15 soldiers were carrying with them hint you have no clue how GPS works then and probably the Brit's Gov counting on that cluelessness!Aardvark154 said:Seemingly you misread Alienencounters post. The article in the Star to which he referred states that the Royal Navy has GPS evidence that the Iranians crossed 1.7 nautical miles into Iraqi waters to seize the boarding party. Indeed, on Sunday the Iranians originally stated that they had seized the "invading British" at a set of coordinates which is in Iraqi territorial waters. By yesterday having noticed their mistake they gave a new position two nautical miles east - inside Iranian waters.
I seepersis said:To get an accurate first-hand reading of coordinates you have to have the equipments the 15 soldiers were carrying with them hint you have no clue how GPS works then and probably the Brit's Gov counting on that cluelessness!
so you can disprove this to be true????????
BTW I am making pulled pork, care to join me?
If you believe this please do the following: Go to a truck stop. Take a look at the long-haul trucks and see if you can find those with GPS tracking equipment on them. Then find a driver of such a truck whose company does not allow them to take detours from their route and with a straight face tell them you assure them that their company will never be able to tell if they drive to that strip club almost two miles from the highway they are supposed to be on, and that you will make up their wages if they are fired based on the GPS data.persis said:To get an accurate first-hand reading of coordinates you have to have the equipments the 15 soldiers were carrying with them hint you have no clue how GPS works then and probably the Brit's Gov counting on that cluelessness!
In case you miss the point civilian grade tracking gear (which is not the same as a GPS receiving unit) has a circle of error of at the extreme a couple of hundred yards military versions have very, very much smaller circles of error. I’m sure they do know where those boats were!
Why do you keep asking every one to defend their positions? State your own opinion. Debunk someone else's, but stop being a Nuisancepapasmerf said:I see
so you can disprove this to be true????????
BTW I am making pulled pork, care to join me?
You are SO correct. But I wish to clarify: There used to be two standards of GPS accuracy: SA and MA. Civilian units work on the same satellites as the millitary but had a built in error which would make them only accurate to one hundred yards or so. This would be especially prevalent in areas where millitary actions were taking place.Aardvark154 said:....
In case you miss the point civilian grade tracking gear (which is not the same as a GPS receiving unit) has a circle of error of at the extreme a couple of hundred yards military versions have very, very much smaller circles of error. I’m sure they do know where those boats were!
With all that being said (and I've been out of the technology for a couple of years) newer units overcame this SA error and became accurate to within 10 - 15 ft (which is still 3 - 5 yards). I forget which TV show did a test where they hooked up a gps to an autohelm on a 42' carver and then got off. They set it in motion in Collingwood and programmed it to go to Crates Marina in...in...(lol the other side of georgian bay) and when it started to enter the marina breakwall, they got back on board. The boat circled (as programmed) to within 10 feet of the end of the dock it was supposed to.
I think the big problem with this whole scenario is the dispute Iran has with Iraq on where the border actually is. It seems they keep painting a line but it gets washed away......
XT:XTORONTO said:Why do you keep asking every one to defend their positions? State your own opinion. Debunk someone else's, but stop being a Nuisance
The thing you have so rightly noticed are the rantings of our little annoyance: the blue-skinned, diaper boy.
He never really contributes anything other than his own dim-witted opinions, mostly borne from a mind that never had an original thought in its life.
papa is now what some people call a codger, an old coot, or a geezer. Most people with his faculties are in a nursing home, the snot being wiped from his nose, the drool being wiped from his chin, and the sh*t being wiped off his flat, flaccid ass by underpaid nurses, to whom he rants and raves about what a stud he once was.
TOVisitor said:XT:
The thing you have so rightly noticed are the rantings of our little annoyance: the blue-skinned, diaper boy.
He never really contributes anything other than his own dim-witted opinions, mostly borne from a mind that never had an original thought in its life.
papa is now what some people call a codger, an old coot, or a geezer. Most people with his faculties are in a nursing home, the snot being wiped from his nose, the drool being wiped from his chin, and the sh*t being wiped off his flat, flaccid ass by underpaid nurses, to whom he rants and raves about what a stud he once was.
Can't wait for his response It'll probably be a "yo mama joke" LOL
I don't care what other's GPS equip. read, I want to know what soldier’s GPS equip.'s read, 15 of them, no fabrication or fakes there....that was the point.Aardvark154 said:If you believe this please do the following: Go to a truck stop. Take a look at the long-haul trucks and see if you can find those with GPS tracking equipment on them. Then find a driver of such a truck whose company does not allow them to take detours from their route and with a straight face tell them you assure them that their company will never be able to tell if they drive to that strip club almost two miles from the highway they are supposed to be on, and that you will make up their wages if they are fired based on the GPS data.
In case you miss the point civilian grade tracking gear (which is not the same as a GPS receiving unit) has a circle of error of at the extreme a couple of hundred yards military versions have very, very much smaller circles of error. I’m sure they do know where those boats were!
You just don't get it and I've already fairly explicitly pointed out what the technology can do.persis said:I don't care what other's GPS equip. read, I want to know what soldier’s GPS equip.'s read, 15 of them, no fabrication or fakes there....that was the point.
I am not speaking of hey Persis take a look at the GPS and tell me how far off the entrance to the Welland Canal are we.
The iranian commander said the first day, that analienencounters said:Actually I'd like to know what the Iranians were using and get a reading from them.
However it would only give them a third chance to make "a mistake".
examination of the marines GPS equipment showed that
"they knew they were in Iranian waters".
According to Britain's Ministry of Defense, a Royal Navy helicopter hovering over the scene last Friday took a photo of the eTrex Legend's latitude and longitude coordinates -- confirming that the troops were taken in international watersAardvark154 said:You just don't get it and I've already fairly explicitly pointed out what the technology can do.
I am not speaking of hey Persis take a look at the GPS and tell me how far off the entrance to the Welland Canal are we.
HOWEVER
It's common for British Army personnel to carry their own GPS units.
SO HERE AGAIN I SAY
I don't care what other's GPS TRACKING equip. read, I want to know what soldier’s GPS equip.'s read, ALL 15 of them, no fabrication or fakes there....that was the point.
You aren't talking about tracking equipment. You're talking about receiving units.persis said:According to Britain's Ministry of Defense, a Royal Navy helicopter hovering over the scene last Friday took a photo of the eTrex Legend's latitude and longitude coordinates -- confirming that the troops were taken in international waters
HOWEVER
It's common for British Army personnel to carry their own GPS units.
SO HERE AGAIN I SAY
I don't care what other's GPS TRACKING equip. read, I want to know what soldier’s GPS equip.'s read, ALL 15 of them, no fabrication or fakes there....that was the point.
Ok lets momentarily assume the conspiracy theory folks have some credibility:
Why if you were going to shift the GPS signals in that area wouldn't you shift them so that the Iranians would think they were on the wrong side of the border rather than the other way around? Why if you did so wouldn't you tell the boarding party to make sure you stay a minimum of X +Y nautical miles from the border.
Some folks just plain hate the U.S. and the U.K. enough that they will believe anything if they think it puts either country in a bad light.
Why if you were going to shift the GPS signals in that area wouldn't you shift them so that the Iranians would think they were on the wrong side of the border rather than the other way around? Why if you did so wouldn't you tell the boarding party to make sure you stay a minimum of X +Y nautical miles from the border.
Some folks just plain hate the U.S. and the U.K. enough that they will believe anything if they think it puts either country in a bad light.
So because you believe so strongly that Iran is the world's most righteous country, you will not accept any evidence except seeing the original GPS units and even then, you would claim it's been faked. Maybe you should just go and take a swim around the region and see what evidence you can find. Of course the Iranians would never lie either.persis said:...
SO HERE AGAIN I SAY
I don't care what other's GPS TRACKING equip. read, I want to know what soldier’s GPS equip.'s read, ALL 15 of them, no fabrication or fakes there....that was the point.
Assuming that the rest of the two Royal Navy boat crews and the Royal Marine boarding parties have more sense than the female seaman that the Iranians are trotting onto the television all of the classified equipment is at the bottom of the Persian Gulf.persis said:SO HERE AGAIN I SAY
I don't care what other's GPS TRACKING equip. read, I want to know what soldier’s GPS equip.'s read, ALL 15 of them, no fabrication or fakes there....that was the point.
XTXTORONTO said:Why do you keep asking every one to defend their positions? State your own opinion. Debunk someone else's, but stop being a Nuisance
These threads are like small debates. People take a position and state it. They then need to be able to defend that position. What you and tov consider annoying is your inability to defend.
