Iranians are uncivilized bastards

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The Guardian Saturday March 31, 2007

Call that humiliation?

No hoods. No electric shocks. No beatings. These
Iranians clearly are a very uncivilised bunch

By Terry Jones (Yes, that Terry Jones. -Q-)

I share the outrage expressed in the British press over the treatment of our
naval personnel accused by Iran of illegally entering their waters. It is a
disgrace. We would never dream of treating captives like this - allowing
them to smoke cigarettes, for example, even though it has been proven that
smoking kills. And as for compelling poor servicewoman Faye Turney to wear a
black headscarf, and then allowing the picture to be posted around the world
- have the Iranians no concept of civilised behaviour? For God's sake,
what's wrong with putting a bag over her head? That's what we do with the
Muslims we capture: we put bags over their heads, so it's hard to breathe.
Then it's perfectly acceptable to take photographs of them and circulate
them to the press because the captives can't be recognised and humiliated in
the way these unfortunate British service people are.

It is also unacceptable that these British captives should be made to talk
on television and say things that they may regret later. If the Iranians put
duct tape over their mouths, like we do to our captives, they wouldn't be
able to talk at all. Of course they'd probably find it even harder to
breathe - especially with a bag over their head - but at least they wouldn't
be humiliated.

And what's all this about allowing the captives to write letters home saying
they are all right? It's time the Iranians fell into line with the rest of
the civilised world: they should allow their captives the privacy of
solitary confinement. That's one of the many privileges the US grants to its
captives in Guantánamo Bay.

The true mark of a civilised country is that it doesn't rush into charging
people whom it has arbitrarily arrested in places it's just invaded. The
inmates of Guantánamo, for example, have been enjoying all the privacy they
want for almost five years, and the first inmate has only just been charged.
What a contrast to the disgraceful Iranian rush to parade their captives
before the cameras!

What's more, it is clear that the Iranians are not giving their British
prisoners any decent physical exercise. The US military make sure that their
Iraqi captives enjoy PT. This takes the form of exciting "stress positions",
which the captives are expected to hold for hours on end so as to improve
their stomach and calf muscles. A common exercise is where they are made to
stand on the balls of their feet and then squat so that their thighs are
parallel to the ground. This creates intense pain and, finally, muscle
failure. It's all good healthy fun and has the bonus that the captives will
confess to anything to get out of it.

And this brings me to my final point. It is clear from her TV appearance
that servicewoman Turney has been put under pressure. The newspapers have
persuaded behavioural psychologists to examine the footage and they all
conclude that she is "unhappy and stressed".

What is so appalling is the underhand way in which the Iranians have got her
"unhappy and stressed". She shows no signs of electrocution or burn marks
and there are no signs of beating on her face. This is unacceptable. If
captives are to be put under duress, such as by forcing them into
compromising sexual positions, or having electric shocks to their genitals,
they should be photographed, as they were in Abu Ghraib. The photographs
should then be circulated around the civilised world so that everyone can
see exactly what has been going on.

As Stephen Glover pointed out in the Daily Mail, perhaps it would not be
right to bomb Iran in retaliation for the humiliation of our servicemen, but
clearly the Iranian people must be made to suffer - whether by beefing up
sanctions, as the Mail suggests, or simply by getting President Bush to
hurry up and invade, as he intends to anyway, and bring democracy and
western values to the country, as he has in Iraq.

• Terry Jones is a film director, actor and Python www.terry-jones.net
 

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Of course, the difference is that the US humiliation was done by a handful of assholes who took pictures for their private "amusement", whereas the Iranian humilation was done by the government-controlled media. The comparison would be accurate only if the White House owned its own media outlet (it does not, no matter how much you may hate Fox), and that particular media outlet paraded Iraqi prisoners in front of the world. And of course, the handful of American assholes who humiliated Iraqi prisoners were tried/are being tried, and sent to jail for long stretches, whereas the Iranian Government that is parading British prisoners in front of the world will not even acknowledge that they have done anything wrong by doing so.

I hate to break it to you, but the US is an infinitely more civilized country than Iran. Good grief. Where would you rather live??

Support your home team for fuck's sakes.
 

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CapitalGuy said:
And of course, the handful of American assholes who humiliated Iraqi prisoners were tried/are being tried, and sent to jail for long stretches,
Oh, right...the bad apple theory. LOL How about sending Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney to jail for a very long time? Its pretty clear that the illegal, immoral, cruel and humiliating treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib was a practice that originated at Guantanamo Bay and was replicated in Iraq on orders from the top.
CapitalGuy said:
Where would you rather live??
Neither, thank you very much. I am glad I have that choice.
CapitalGuy said:
Support your home team for fuck's sakes.
Its not a baseball game, the USA is certainly not my home team, and even if they were, they aren't deserving of my support.
 

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Questor said:
Oh, right...the bad apple theory. LOL How about sending Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney to jail for a very long time? Its pretty clear that the illegal, immoral, cruel and humiliating treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib was a practice that originated at Guantanamo Bay and was replicated in Iraq on orders from the top.
Neither, thank you very much. I am glad I have that choice.

Its not a baseball game, the USA is certainly not my home team, and even if they were, they aren't deserving of my support.
well then, what team do YOU support? Is there any country out there that has been involved in a war, not guilty of what the Americans did at Abu Ghraib?
 

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I'll be holding my breath for the Iranians to indict some in their government for their behavior.....

Can we imagine for a second the outrage in the middle east if Israel showed their captives wearing Yamulkas.......

LOL

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Gone to sign up? No, he doesn't want to give up the benefits of the western life he trashes.
 

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say what you like but the individual of Iran who eeks out a living is not concerned with politics. Sure he is brainwashed with the anti-Christian islamofacist words. However that is because he never met Christian.
 

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Out of curiosity. How many of the above comentators have been to Iran and if so, what were your impressions of the Iranian people ?

BS
 

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red said:
I couldn't agree with you more. The government of Iran is not what I would call enlightened and respectful of human rights.

What I have difficulty understanding is the tendency of people of this board to see things in black and white. Why must people reduce complex political issues and serious human rights violations to a question of cheering for the home team?

Surely the level of critical analysis on this board goes beyond "You are with us, or you are with the terrorists." And why do people living in the US, a country that supposedly stands for freedom, liberty and human rights, why do they often compare the actions of their government with the governments of Iran, Saddam Hussein, and a handful of other repressive regimes, and say, "Look, we're better than them." Surely you set your standards higher than that.
 

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Big Sleazy said:
Out of curiosity. How many of the above comentators have been to Iran and if so, what were your impressions of the Iranian people ?
BS
ROFL Yes, I hear the hobbying there is great.
 

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Questor said:
I couldn't agree with you more. The government of Iran is not what I would call enlightened and respectful of human rights.

What I have difficulty understanding is the tendency of people of this board to see things in black and white. Why must people reduce complex political issues and serious human rights violations to a question of cheering for the home team?

Surely the level of critical analysis on this board goes beyond "You are with us, or you are with the terrorists." And why do people living in the US, a country that supposedly stands for freedom, liberty and human rights, why do they often compare the actions of their government with the governments of Iran, Saddam Hussein, and a handful of other repressive regimes, and say, "Look, we're better than them." Surely you set your standards higher than that.
yes I agree but I also tire of the US is hitler stuff too. Iran is much worse than the US in its treatment of everyone. but the US is not perfect and has many things to answer for. but the actions of individuals do not make a state or a people
 

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Questor said:
ROFL Yes, I hear the hobbying there is great.

persian women are good in bed- and they all swallow. in my experience
 

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bbking said:
is that because they are programed robots or is it because they fear what the men will do to them if they don't comply?


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