Iranians are uncivilized bastards

[basketcase]

I guess you forgot the pictures of Israeli soldiers parading stripped and blindfolded Palestinian men with numbers written on their arms. What does that remind you of...or do we have to connect the dots for you. It seems your memory as well as your outrage is rather fleeting.

I missed these and couldn't find anything online. Could you please post a link?







No? Must have been that you are just eager to portray Israel as Nazis.

 

[gryfin]

Basketcase: Answering your own questions is not a smart thing to do

I missed these and couldn't find anything online. Could you please post a link?







No? Must have been that you are just eager to portray Israel as Nazis.

Your response is a variation on Clinton's "Don't Tell, Don't Ask" policy..except in your case it's "Act Dumb, Don't Look".

I found this in about 3 minutes...but then I was not afraid of what I would find. Read the New York Time, read the The Age...most of all, just read.

Canadian Press:
http://www.monabaker.com/pMachine/more.php?id=A736_0_1_0_M

New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/12/i...tml?ex=1175918400&en=cc0c2d34a36dcf30&ei=5070

The Age
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/03/12/1015909850749.html

New Statesmen
http://www.newstatesman.com/200206030006

Israelinsider
http://www.israelinsider.com/channels/diplomacy/articles/dip_0180.htm

Stop polishing the Occupation Turd. Otherwise...you sound an awful like those guys who like to rationalize the actions of the Nazi's.

But I know you can't resist it..you'll rationalize this a well. You are one of the nodding heads.

 

[gryfin]

Just like the "Pianist"...Palestinians forced to play violin for Israeli soldiers

Basketcase....polish this steaming pile:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1361755,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4058677.stm

 

[basketcase]

Thank you for posting it Gryfin. It was the first I heard of it. (Sorry never, don't see anything about numbering in your posts)

I will comment on one thing from your first site gryf,

The army confirmed the incident but said it was done by a lone soldier who acted on his own and would face a disciplinary hearing. Palestinians with three-digit numbers scribbled on their palms said they told the soldiers they considered the practice degrading, but they were given a choice to either turn back or submit to the marking.

A similar incident happened in March 2001 when soldiers marked numbers on the foreheads and forearms of Palestinian detainees awaiting interrogation during an army sweep of a West Bank refugee camp.

At the time, the action drew outrage from an Israeli legislator who survived the Holocaust, and the practice was halted. During the Second World War, Nazi concentration camp inmates, most of them Jews, had numbers tattooed on their forearms.

One side has rules. When was the last time that we have even heard anything about the condition of the captured Israeli soldiers?

As for the violin, if it is true, what the soldiers did was wrong. The armies account as stated by the BBC definately differs with the account given. There is either some propoganda going on from the rights groups or an idiot of a soldier in charge.


Just for the sake of balance:

A couple of positive things out of Israel from today's news (not cobbled together over the past few years).
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/846002.html
Defense Minister orders settlers evacuated from Hebron house

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/845887.html
Shlomo Goldwasser: Gov't must talk to Hezbollah as U.K. did Iran

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/845614.html
Israel, PA agree to open trade passages to Gaza

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/846000.html
Dramatic rise in number of Arab volunteers for national service

And some of the negatives from some Palestinians:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3384914,00.html
Fatah commander rejects calls for calm

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/845923.html
British envoy meets with Hamas PM over abducted BBC reporter

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3383395,00.html
UN chief says arms smuggling into Lebanon

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3381932,00.html
'Islam will enter every house'
Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar: Religion of Islam will take over entire world

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3382296,00.html
Palestinian PM says no compromise on refugee

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3380118,00.html
Toddler killed in renewed Palestinian infighting
Two-year-old boy killed in northern Gaza in exchange of fire between Hamas and Fatah

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3380073,00.html
'Bombs more precious than children'
Hamas TV shows daughter telling suicide bomber mother she will 'follow her path'

As I said in another thread, both sides do bad things but one side is trying to be better. You can see this yourself because almost every report on Israeli misconduct includes a mention of the investigation, policy changes, and criminal charges that are the result. When a Palestinian kills Israeli civilians, the only comments we hear are praise.


p.s. I'll stop polishing the 'occupation turd' when you realize that there are enough Palestinian bad guys that want to destroy Israel and anyone who happens to be there at the time, even at the cost of their own children. (all we are saying is give peace a chance)

 

[basketcase]

Never, have you yet realized that you are a zealot? In the other thread you even go so far as to try and explain away and justify all of the civilians blown up in Iraq as being ok because it's civil war (talk about a lack of moral compass). Any rational person realizes that every group has good people and bad people yet you keep on insisting that Israelis are all the most evil people in the world.

Having sympathy for the Palestinian people is a good thing and a sign of humanity but this is not what you are doing. If you were really motivated by the welfare of the Palestinian people, we would have heard some kind of comment on the 160+ Palestinians that have been killed in Gaza since the one sided ceasefire went into place. Of course, your zealotry won't touch the subject because only 8 were killed by the Israelis (and all were armed btw) and all of the rest, including children and innocent bystanders, killed in the fighting between Hamas and Fatah.

Is there anything that you find good about the Israelis or anything bad about any Palestinians or are you so deeply embedded in your hatred that you refuse to see anything else?

 

[basketcase]

1. You somehow call this blowing up of babies Civil war. Undeniable an immoral viewpoint. Do you belive that Muslims don't have to be held up to the same standards of behaviour? If you are not a racist zealot, you would expect the same standard of behaviour from all people, not excuse behaviour because in this case the people are Muslim.

2. Do you have any word of condemnation for this type of "civil" war? Do you think this behaviour is somehow acceptable or do you actually think that these criminals deserve to be punnished?

3. Do you not have any comment on the wave of violence in Gaza where neither side seems to concerned about civilians and children? Do you find it wrong that a child was wounded when one idiot threw a hand grenade at another in Gaza Friday?

You are a zealot without a moral compas and are so busy trying to justify criminal acts by one side while attaking every seeming flaw of the other. Grow up and actually think about what you are writting.

 

[basketcase]

So you still refuse to say that killing of civilians is wrong. You are a real piece of work. I guess you think it is the right of the Shia and Sunni to kill each other. Sorry but I disagree.

It was nice of you to find an article where only men (implying that they were all involved as combatants) were killed.
How about these (March 27-April 7):

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/04/iraq.main.reut/index.html

Gunmen killed 11 electricity plant workers in northern Iraq on Wednesday after stopping their vehicle and machine gunning them as they sat inside, Iraqi police and army officials said.

Police also said 18 goat herders from an extended Shiite family were kidnapped near the holy Shiite city of Karbala, 70 miles (110 kilometers) southwest of Baghdad, on Tuesday. It was the second mass kidnapping in a week.

I am sure that in your warped perspective, the goat herders were intent on using their herds to devestate sunni villiages and deserved it.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/02/iraq.main/index.html

A suicide truck bombing in the northern city of Tal Afar last week is the deadliest single attack since the Iraq war began in 2003, a high-ranking Iraqi Interior Ministry official said Monday as a new death toll for the blast surfaced.

The Wednesday attack -- in which a truck packed with 4,000 pounds (1,814 kilograms) of explosives detonated in a Shiite area of the city -- was initially blamed for 85 deaths, according to an Iraqi army officer in Tal Afar who estimated the death toll Thursday. Hundreds of others were wounded.

But the Interior Ministry official said Monday that the death toll was 152, making it the war's deadliest single attack.

In a separate and apparently retaliatory attack, gunmen stormed homes in a Sunni area of the city, killing 70 people and wounding 30, according to the army officer. Forty others were kidnapped.

Before last week's attack, police said a November 23 string of car bombs in Sadr City, a Shiite slum of Baghdad, was the war's deadliest single attack.

At least 138 people were killed and more than 200 were wounded when six car bombs detonated there, Health Minister Ali Shammari said in November.
...
Bombs in Baghdad, Kirkuk and the northern town of Khalis left more than 20 people dead and wounded scores Monday, Iraqi authorities said.

Baghdad was rocked by five separate bombings in different districts. Four people were killed and 27 wounded in those blasts, police said. The deadliest of those attacks was in the southeastern part of the capital, where a bomb inside a parked car killed three people and wounded 10, a Baghdad police official said. The blast also destroyed five cars and six shops, he said.

A roadside bomb exploded in a crowded commercial district in Khalis, northeast of Baghdad, killing at least 10 people and wounding more than 30 others, a police official said.

In Kirkuk, explosives hidden beneath bags of flour in a truck went off near a police station, killing seven and wounding 178. The wounded included police, civilians and several children, a Kirkuk police official said.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/31/iraq.main/index.html

Car bombs and gunfire killed more than two dozen civilians and wounded more than 60 in attacks throughout Iraq on Saturday, officials said.

The attacks came as the Interior Ministry said that more than 1,800 Iraqi civilians died in sectarian and insurgent violence in Iraq in March. There were 226 more civilian deaths in March than in February, the data show.

On Saturday, five civilians were killed and 22 wounded in a car-bomb explosion near Sadrayn Hospital in Baghdad's Sadr City neighborhood at 10 a.m., a Baghdad police official said.

South of Baghdad in Hilla, four people were killed and 20 were wounded when a car bomb exploded near people lining up at a gas station, Babil police said.

A car bomb killed two day laborers and wounded 11 others who were gathered north of the capital in the Salaheddin province city of Tuz Khurmatu on Saturday morning, a Tikrit police official said.
...
The number of Iraqis wounded in March was similar to the total for February --2,708 in March, compared with 2,702 the month before.

In January, 1,990 Iraqi civilians were killed in violence across the country, and 1,936 were injured.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/31/Iraq.main.ap/index.html

The 10:30 a.m. blast in Sadr City was targeting street vendors and pedestrians just outside the entrance to the al-Sadr General Hospital. Police said at least five people were killed and 15 wounded.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/29/iraq.main/index.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Bombers launched two deadly strikes Thursday in crowded Shiite marketplaces in Baghdad and a town north of Iraq's capital, killing 119 people and wounding 171. At least 17 others died in other bombings and gunfire around the country.

The attacks erupted as Iraqi shoppers filled marketplaces Thursday to buy goods at the start of the weekend and the eve of the Muslim holy day of Friday.

In the deadliest attack, at least one suicide bomber wearing an explosive vest detonated in a crowded open-air marketplace in Baghdad's Shiite district of Shaab. At least 76 people were killed and 85 were wounded.

"It was a very, very crowded market. All those killed are innocent," a man who was wounded in the explosion told Reuters news agency.

"I saw heads separated from the bodies and legs blown off," Wissam Hashim Ali, 27, told Reuters from the hospital.

An Iraqi Interior Ministry official said one suicide bomber carried out the attack. An Iraqi army official said there were two suicide bombers wearing explosive vests.

Earlier, in the Diyala province town of Khalis, north of Baghdad, three car bombs detonated at a marketplace, killing 43 people and wounding 86.

But why do I waste my time posting this because I am sure that there will not be one word of condemnation from you or even the slightest sympathy for the dead and injured civilians. I am sure that you will justify it by saying all these shoppers, vendors, hospital visitors and the evil goat herders were actively engaged in war so they were valid targets.

 

[basketcase]

I am still waiting for you to even hint that all this killing is bad......but you won't because you are too deeply embedded in your agenda.


Either admit that this killing is bad or admit that you like it.

 

[CapitalGuy]

A Middle Eastern Solution for a Middle Eastern Problem

I think that it is our duty to ensure all nations in the Middle East have nuclear weapons.

And it is similarly our duty to ensure they have the abilty to fire them up to 500 km, but no further.

Then I won't have to hear about the asshole Israeli's and the uncivilized Arabs anymore.

 

[basketcase]

Didn't I see these posts before?

I guess I'll have to ask again.

Do you think that all the Sunni vs. Shia killing going on in Iraq is moral? Yes or no.

 

[basketcase]

BTW. If you want hypocrite, why do you find it so easy to justify and condone violence and murder in Iraq yet are so quick to condemn Israel in it's conflict with Palestinians militants?

 

[basketcase]

Sure this violence is part of the battles for power between militant Shia and Sunni factions, not between shia and sunnis as a whole. The militants do not represent all Iraqis and their tactics are not in the least bit civil. The media refers to it as a civil war for the sake of simplicity but most Iraqi people would be happy to live their lives without being under threat.

These bombings are not a part of the attacks on "occupation forces" though and I have already stated that attacking military is a part of guerrilla tactics.


Now your turn ...





btw. I didn't call you on your "intellectual dishonesty" before but when exactly was faluja "wiped off the map"?

 

[basketcase]

For a guy who complains about words being put in your mouth, you sure do a good job of misrepresenting others.

If you can detach yourself from your deeply embedded beliefs for long enough, perhaps you can show me any of my comments where I have even come close to saying all Muslims are terrorists or take a look where I have commented on non-muslim terrorists (IRA, Irgun, the Klan for example).

I know you feel the need to classify anyone who disagrees with you on anything as a racist but get real, grow up and join the real world.

 

[gryfin]

No wonder you polish the Occupation Turd

Thank you for posting it Gryfin. It was the first I heard of it. (Sorry never, don't see anything about numbering in your posts)

You saw nothing about numbering? Stop wasting everybody's time..including your own. The numbering was referred to in every link.

Plus, it was referred to in the quote you, quite serendipitously, decided to provide.

But it doesn't surprise me. The propensity for not looking too deep is a requirement for supporting Israel's actions.