Is global warming bad?

[papasmerf]

Ok I tried to listen

But I just can't see it as balanced reporting

But never have heard any NPR report to be balanced.

Sorry folks but this is a plead for grant money not a scientific finding, merly a reideration of theory.

 

[WoodPeckr]

That NPR radio program deals with one of the most comprehensive scientific study to date on Global Warming!

It is a REAL problem, and most countries of the world, save the USA, realize.

To dismiss this report as invalid because it was not sponsered by Exxon, Mobil, Texaco, et al., merely shows a very myopic vision. This study was done with 'real scientists' and not ones 'bought and paid for' by Big Oil.

It seems this quote fits in quite well with present day Bush energy policy,
The problems we face today will not be solved by the minds that created them.

 

[papasmerf]

That NPR radio program deals with one of the most comprehensive scientific study to date on Global Warming!

It is a REAL problem, and most countries of the world, save the USA, realize.

To dismiss this report as invalid because it was not sponsered by Exxon, Mobil, Texaco, et al., merely shows a very myopic vision. This study was done with 'real scientists' and not ones 'bought and paid for' by Big Oil.

It seems this quote fits in quite well with present day Bush energy policy,
The problems we face today will not be solved by the minds that created them.

Actually I dismissed NRP as BUNK, as for the reoprt it is inline with the theories as put forth by many.

 

[superquad1968]

For those that fail to see the impact of climate change I'd recommend the Pew Center on Global Climate Change [http://www.pewclimate.org/] for a scientific analysis and the reprucussions of our destructive habits towards the environment.

If we don't change now what will we be left with?

 

[papasmerf]

For those that fail to see the impact of climate change I'd recommend the Pew Center on Global Climate Change [http://www.pewclimate.org/] for a scientific analysis and the reprucussions of our destructive habits towards the environment.

If we don't change now what will we be left with?

Now if we do change, how do you propose to force other nations to floow suit????????

 

[superquad1968]

Almost wish that we would could write a contract now that those who believe that we need to change will be allowed to utilize whatever solutions that science will create.

While those who think that there is nothing wrong and have their head in the sand [i.e. most of the US right wing] will be denied that opportunity.

But alas any real effect will not be felt for a 100 years so why do anything now. Right papasmerf?

 

[WoodPeckr]

Actually I dismissed NRP as BUNK, as for the reoprt it is inline with the theories as put forth by many.

Here we differ. I have never found NPR to be BUNK.

However Rush Limbaugh and Faux (FOX) news .....now that is some seriious BUNK!

 

[papasmerf]

More to the point
what do you reccomend to do about countries that have no ANTI-POLLUTION laws?

 

[papasmerf]

what do u do about those people driving 15 years old American shitboxes?

Keep them tuned and in good working order

 

[WoodPeckr]

Now if we do change, how do you propose to force other nations to floow suit????????

Alternative energy sources is the answer, namely Hydrogen.

President Jimmy Carter, the last honest president the US had in ages, saw this. Carter, a nuclear engineer, had the "vision" to embark on his "Project Independence" which WOULD HAVE WEANED THE US & THE WORLD OFF OF THEIR DEPENDENCE ON OIL had it been followed up on. Ronnie Reagan came to office after Carter and promply AT THE BEHEST OF BIG OIL began to close down this visionary Project Independence program.

The result of this tragic GOP MYOPIA is the the USA is even more dependent on OIL than ever.....but BIG OIL profits handsomely and these Arab terrorists have all the money they need to carry out one Jihad after another all financed to a great degree by the US gas guzzling SUVs among others. Scientists have been saying for years there are plenty of present day alternatives to oil only to be muscled out by BIG OIL who call the shots on energy policy to their benefit only.

Big Oil has the White House and government right where it wants them, so don't look for any breakthroughs here. Think about it from president Carter to now, we have WASTED 24 years of serious effort in developing alternative energy.

 

[papasmerf]

You keep talking about the US
how is Canada, Mexico, South America, Eurpoe and every other Country in the world going to be forced to follow suit?


As you might have noticed you are posting only what the US has to do

This is not simply an American problem

 

[WoodPeckr]

You keep talking about the US
how is Canada, Mexico, South America, Eurpoe and every other Country in the world going to be forced to follow suit?


As you might have noticed you are posting only what the US has to do

This is not simply an American problem

It's really quite simple. It's called visionary leadership. If you build a better mousetrap the world will follow. In this case Hydrogen fueled vehicles are the better mousetrap. The USA 'used' to lead in this respect. This is not the case now. Look for this breakthrough to occur overseas when we could have led the way years ago.....were it not for BIG OIL self serving selfishness.

 

[papasmerf]

Beefy,


I believe you will find the "Gas Guzzlers" are not the largest user of fuel.

Should home heating plants become more efficient, tractors become more efficient, freighters befome more efficient, locomotives become more efficient, busses become more efficient, simple camp stoves become more efficient, genorators become more efficient, lawn mowers befome more efficient, airliners become more efficient, .......? Or prehaps you see the SUV (a great misnomer) as the devil incarnate when it comes to transportation?

 

[papasmerf]

It's really quite simple. It's called visionary leadership. If you build a better mousetrap the world will follow. In this case Hydrogen fueled vehicles are the better mousetrap. The USA 'used' to lead in this respect. This is not the case now. Look for this breakthrough to occur overseas when we could have led the way years ago.....were it not for BIG OIL self serving selfishness.

I suggested a perfectly acceptable alternative vechicle earlier int this thread, did my part.

 

[papasmerf]

i believe driving a SUV is totally unnecessary.

based on??

Remember the station wagon?

Was that necessary?

Is the mini van, necessary?

do we need water cooled engines when aircooled ones have fewer issues with leaks?

Do we need 2 seaters such as most sports cars?

Should busses seat 60 people when you can save fuel with ones that seat 8?


Based on what?

 

[papasmerf]

i believe American companiese can't make fuel efficient machines.

I believe there is some truth to the idea of corporate interests preventing 100mpg

 

[WoodPeckr]

I suggested a perfectly acceptable alternative vechicle earlier int this thread, did my part.

Agreed, but hybrids are only transitional, Hydrogen is the ticket to the future. The only problem is H2 will upset too many existing interests....they will all become obsolete and for this reason want no part of H2 development.

 

[papasmerf]

My largest concern with H2 is containment.

 

[WoodPeckr]

I believe there is some truth to the idea of corporate interests preventing 100mpg

This is a known fact! How do you think Big Oil would take this?

 

[papasmerf]

based on most european countries drive small, cute, and ellegant cars.

I guess you can live there if you wish
or purchaes one

BTW what is the MPG of the basic Boxer?