Is there a conspiracy about Bin Ladens death?

[seth gecko]

Good article

Not everyone believes bin Laden really is dead


By ROBERT BURNS and CALVIN WOODWARD


Associated Press


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Knowing there would be disbelievers, the U.S.
says it used convincing means to confirm Osama bin Laden's identity during and
after the firefight that killed him. But the mystique that surrounded the
terrorist chieftain in life is persisting in death.
Was it really him? How do we know? Where are the pictures?
Already, those questions are spreading in Pakistan and surely beyond. In the
absence of photos and with his body given up to the sea, many people don't
believe bin Laden - the Great Emir to some, the fabled escape artist of the Tora
Bora mountains to foe and friend alike - is really dead.
U.S. officials are balancing that skepticism with the sensitivities that
might be inflamed by showing images they say they have of the dead al-Qaida
leader and video of his burial at sea. Still, it appeared likely that
photographic evidence would be produced.
"We are going to do everything we can to make sure that nobody has any basis
to try to deny that we got Osama bin Laden," John Brennan, President Barack
Obama's counterterrorism adviser, said Monday. He said the U.S. will "share what
we can because we want to make sure that not only the American people but the
world understand exactly what happened."
In July 2003, the U.S. took heat but also quieted most conspiracy theorists
by releasing graphic photos of the corpses of Saddam Hussein's two powerful sons
to prove American forces had killed them.
So far, the U.S. has cited evidence that satisfied the Navy SEAL force, and
at least most of the world, that they had the right man in Abbottabad,
Pakistan.
The helicopter-borne raiding squad that swarmed the luxury compound
identified bin Laden by appearance. A woman in the compound who was identified
as his wife was said to have called out bin Laden's name in the melee.
Officials produced a quick DNA match from his remains that they said
established bin Laden's identity, even absent the other techniques, with 99.9
percent certainty. U.S. officials also said bin Laden was identified through
photo comparisons and other methods.
Tellingly, an al-Qaida spokesman, in vowing vengeance against America,
called him a martyr, offering no challenge to the U.S. account of his death.
Even so, it's almost inevitable that the bin Laden mythology will not end
with the bullet in his head. If it suits extremist ends to spin a fantastical
tale of survival or trickery to gullible ears, expect to hear it.
In the immediate aftermath, people in Abbottabad expressed widespread
disbelief that bin Laden had died - or ever lived - among them.
"I'm not ready to buy bin Laden was here," said Haris Rasheed, 22, who works
in a fast food restaurant. "How come no one knew he was here and why did they
bury him so quickly? This is all fake - a drama, and a crude one."
Kamal Khan, 25, who is unemployed, said the official story "looks fishy to
me."
The burial from an aircraft carrier in the North Arabian Sea was videotaped
aboard the ship, according to a senior defense official who spoke on condition
of anonymity because a decision on whether to release the video was not final.
The official said it was highly likely that the video, along with photographs of
bin Laden's body, would be made public in coming days.
The swiftness of the burial may have raised suspicions but was in accord
with Islamic traditions. Islamic scholars, however, challenged U.S. assertions
that a burial at sea was an appropriate fate for a Muslim who had died on
land.
The act denied al-Qaida any sort of burial shrine for their slain leader.
Once again, bin Laden had vanished, but this time at the hands of the United
States and in a way that ensures he is gone forever.
If that satisfies U.S. goals and its sense of justice, Brad Sagarin, a
psychologist at Northern Illinois University who studies persuasion, said the
rapid disposition of the body "would certainly be a rich sort of kernel for
somebody to grasp onto if they were motivated to disbelieve this."
Also expected to come out is a tape made by bin Laden, before U.S. forces
bore down on him, that may provide fodder to those who insist he is alive.
Pakistan, for one, is a land of conspiracy theorists, and far-fetched rumors
abound on the streets and in blogs throughout the Arab world. But that's not
just a characteristic of the Islamic pipeline. Many ordinary Americans - and one
billionaire - persistently questioned whether Obama was born in the U.S. despite
lacking any evidence that he wasn't.
Sagarin said most people will probably be convinced bin Laden is dead
because they cannot imagine the government maintaining such an extraordinary lie
to the contrary in this day and age.
Yet, he said, "as with the birther conspiracy, there's going to be a set of
people who are never going to be convinced. People filter the information they
receive through their current attitudes, their current perspectives."
To be sure, even photos and video, subject to digital manipulation, may not
provide the final word to everyone. But Seth Jones, a RAND Corp. political
scientist who advised the commander of U.S. special operations forces in
Afghanistan, said the administration should do all it can to minimize
doubts.
"There are always conspiracy theories," he said. "There are individuals who
believe that bin Laden wasn't involved in the 9/11 attacks."

 

[Asterix]

You didn't have to, it was the only conclusion that could be drawn from your comment: "Remind me how many of the families of those killed implicated President Bush."

Because we both know you've never talked to a single Iraqi or Afghan family that detests Bush because a family member was killed by Bush's war mongering, otherwise you would have never made such an ignorant statement. There are plenty of families that have implicated Bush - theres just not a thing they can do about it. Again your own comments make a fool of you.

You may go back to watching fox news from your Outerspace chair.

Are you new here? i think anyone around here would tell you I'm the last person who would watch fox news, and yeah I spelled it lower case too. But I always like to learn new things. I thought we were talking about 9/11 and how Bush was somehow complicit as you said. Care to go on?

 

[WoodPeckr]

Here we go again

Good article
Not everyone believes bin Laden really is dead


By ROBERT BURNS and CALVIN WOODWARD

LOL!
You know when The Donald gets a look at this, what will happen.
It will be time for The Donald to recruit another team of investigators.....

 

[fuji]

Donald will ask why the government hasn't released the long form of Osama's Death Certificate.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

All it takes is a bin laden tape to show up, ( even if he pre recorded it before his death ) showing that he may be alive to create controversy and doubt.

 

[Dougal Short]

Here we go again. The US has repeatedly stated that the photos of the dead Bin Laden clearly show his face and that he is very recognizable. But as we all know, ANYBODY could be made to look like Bin Laden with a little help from Photoshop.

The way I see it, there's little advantage to conspiring to fake his death at this point. Perhaps a decade ago, but there's no reason for it now, other than to have a little shin-dig for a few days. There's no strategic value at this point.

 

[Morpheous]

If he died years ago I think they would have jumped on it. Everyday that passed that he was alive was humiliating for the power house USA. Why wait to proclaim he's dead now if he died 3-4 years ago. As stated earlier there's no political strategy to do so now.

 

[myfuntime]

If he died years ago I think they would have jumped on it. Everyday that passed that he was alive was humiliating for the power house USA. Why wait to proclaim he's dead now if he died 3-4 years ago. As stated earlier there's no political strategy to do so now.

LOL: You look me another whose thoughts based on FOX/CNN stories and don't know other side of story. Why USA jump on it early when he need to live in that region.....

INDIA and CHINA are next super power. Like it or not, truth is all tehnology, investment, research, manpower, industry etc moving in that part of world. Future is in that part of world. Projection is that CHINDIA will have strong hold on world after 50-70 yrs. Once they have good grip, both are strong enough to show finger to USA if USA interfare.... India and China will never allow USA to play games againt their will....as they are not small uncontrolled countries in that region... and USA understand this from last 10 yrs that this is coming.....Only way USA could stay in that region is due to "trouble" in that area.....India or Chian will never offer their bases to USA. A peaceful Afghanistan and Pakistan is not in favour of USA. Also he need to be there for controling Iran.... Study some regional politics and you will find more interesting stuff...or if you can't or don't want to handle reality simply enjoy osama's death news.....

 

[doggystyle99]

If he died years ago I think they would have jumped on it. Everyday that passed that he was alive was humiliating for the power house USA. Why wait to proclaim he's dead now if he died 3-4 years ago. As stated earlier there's no political strategy to do so now.

Bin Laden has been dead for years but then president George W. Bush did not want to admit that they had killed Bin Laden because if they did they had no other reasons to keep the war going in Afghanistan so they strung the war along and president Obama had to go with it.
The U.S was going to end the war in Afghanistan in the next 2 years so it would be great success if they killed Bin Laden and then the war ended.
Here watch this video its from 3 years ago before Benazir Bhutto was assassinated by American backed Pakistanis. Watch it at 2:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

 

[Rockslinger]

The biggest conspiracy theory making the rounds now is not "is OBL dead?" He's dead, his own guys are confirming it.

His own guys are only saying that to take the pressure off OBL. Didn't President Mushariff(sp) say 10 years ago that OBL was dead and the U.S. should stop searching for him?

 

[noalias]

this guy bin laden was just a puppet used by the USA and zionist regime israel.

israeli terrorists were behind 9/11 and bin laden was the puppet

 

[DATYdude]

this guy bin laden was just a puppet used by the USA and zionist regime israel.

israeli terrorists were behind 9/11 and bin laden was the puppet

Actually everything that's wrong in the world is the Jews' fault, right noalias (aka nobrains)?

LOOK UP YOU IDIOTS THE SKY IS BLUE

 

[y2kmark]

Pu-leeze

The most convincing proof he's dead is from the militant Islamists themselves. No denials, just variations on "this means war!" DUH. There are enough conspiracy theories out there already.

 

[Asterix]

this guy bin laden was just a puppet used by the USA and zionist regime israel.

israeli terrorists were behind 9/11 and bin laden was the puppet

Whatver you say, Herr Fruitloops.

 

[givemebrain]

I completely understand accusing the people who seem to know exactly what happened re: 9/11, and OBL's death of being "Tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists" worthy of ridicule.

What I don't understand is throwing the same accusations at anyone who questions the official theory. Every one of you who simply take the US gov'ts or any gov'ts official story at face value are the truly naive. Let's be real... governments have been studying and applying various techniques to fool and mislead the populace to achieve certain ends since the Roman Republic and probably before that. To think this doesn't happen today is completely ludicrous.

For example, in February of 2010, JSOC forces raided a 'stronghouse' in an Afghan village, killed three women (two pregnant) and ended up with nothing of value. The kicker here is the statement they released claimed ""Several insurgents engaged the joint force in a fire fight and were killed. When the joint force entered the compound they conducted a thorough search of the area, and found the bodies of three women who had been tied up, gagged and killed. The bodies had been hidden in an adjacent room." When this statement was challenged by Afgan investigators, and witnesses came forward claiming they watched US soldiers dig bullets out of the women and arrange them to make it look like a family honour killing, the JSOC Commander, Vice Admiral McRaven capitulated and brought the family two sheep for the purpose of apologizing for the atrocity. http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Afghanista...fghan-civilian-deaths-sheep/story?id=10320603

Do you really think they would have come forward with the truth if not challenged?

To those of you buying this 'official' OBL story at face-value, I strongly advise you re-evaluate the way you consume information and learn to be more skeptical or you're going to continue to be hoodwinked by the powers that be.

This official story smells very bad. They confirmed the DNA sample and threw the body into the sea less than 24 hours after the kill to conform with Islamic burial procedure and prevent a burial site shrine? Really!? Was the US concerned with Islamic custom when they invaded Fallujah at the outset of Ramadan? Did they not realize that the compound where OBL had his final firefight with US forces would become that shrine? Burn it down and you have a burnt down shrine. I'm yet to hear a valid reason for this unprecedented body disposal. Every other time a high value target has been killed or captured like Uday, Qusay, and Saddam Hussein, they made bloody well sure that everyone in the world saw what happens to those audacious enough to defy the US. Al Zaqawi (sp), the supposed leader of "Al Qaeda in Iraq" responsible for the beheading of Daniel Pearl and others? I can still picture the gruesome shot of his dead face. Why no concern about turning these scumbags into martyrs by releasing images? It's been standard policy since the beginning of humanity to send messages by displaying the horrific fate that befalls your enemies. Think Mussolini on the bridge for example.

I can't pretend to know the true story - has he been dead for years? is he still alive? is this official story 100% true? - I don't know for sure. All I know is that I don't buy what the government spoon feeds to the media, and it makes me sick that the mainstream media doesn't ask these fair questions, but simply says "OK" and prints what they're told. That's what the media's job is supposed to be - to challenge the official story until the truth is revealed - much like the truth that was revealed when the Afghans challenged the story about the honour killing.

 

[myfuntime]

I completely understand accusing the people who seem to know exactly what happened re: 9/11, and OBL's death of being "Tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists" worthy of ridicule.

What I don't understand is throwing the same accusations at anyone who questions the official theory. Every one of you who simply take the US gov'ts or any gov'ts official story at face value are the truly naive. Let's be real... governments have been studying and applying various techniques to fool and mislead the populace to achieve certain ends since the Roman Republic and probably before that. To think this doesn't happen today is completely ludicrous.

For example, in February of 2010, JSOC forces raided a 'stronghouse' in an Afghan village, killed three women (two pregnant) and ended up with nothing of value. The kicker here is the statement they released claimed ""Several insurgents engaged the joint force in a fire fight and were killed. When the joint force entered the compound they conducted a thorough search of the area, and found the bodies of three women who had been tied up, gagged and killed. The bodies had been hidden in an adjacent room." When this statement was challenged by Afgan investigators, and witnesses came forward claiming they watched US soldiers dig bullets out of the women and arrange them to make it look like a family honour killing, the JSOC Commander, Vice Admiral McRaven capitulated and brought the family two sheep for the purpose of apologizing for the atrocity. http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Afghanista...fghan-civilian-deaths-sheep/story?id=10320603

Do you really think they would have come forward with the truth if not challenged?

To those of you buying this 'official' OBL story at face-value, I strongly advise you re-evaluate the way you consume information and learn to be more skeptical or you're going to continue to be hoodwinked by the powers that be.

This official story smells very bad. They confirmed the DNA sample and threw the body into the sea less than 24 hours after the kill to conform with Islamic burial procedure and prevent a burial site shrine? Really!? Was the US concerned with Islamic custom when they invaded Fallujah at the outset of Ramadan? Did they not realize that the compound where OBL had his final firefight with US forces would become that shrine? Burn it down and you have a burnt down shrine. I'm yet to hear a valid reason for this unprecedented body disposal. Every other time a high value target has been killed or captured like Uday, Qusay, and Saddam Hussein, they made bloody well sure that everyone in the world saw what happens to those audacious enough to defy the US. Al Zaqawi (sp), the supposed leader of "Al Qaeda in Iraq" responsible for the beheading of Daniel Pearl and others? I can still picture the gruesome shot of his dead face. Why no concern about turning these scumbags into martyrs by releasing images? It's been standard policy since the beginning of humanity to send messages by displaying the horrific fate that befalls your enemies. Think Mussolini on the bridge for example.

I can't pretend to know the true story - has he been dead for years? is he still alive? is this official story 100% true? - I don't know for sure. All I know is that I don't buy what the government spoon feeds to the media, and it makes me sick that the mainstream media doesn't ask these fair questions, but simply says "OK" and prints what they're told. That's what the media's job is supposed to be - to challenge the official story until the truth is revealed - much like the truth that was revealed when the Afghans challenged the story about the honour killing.

Well said....

 

[smuddan]

No sure if this question has been asked anywhere, but couldn't they have captured OBL live instead ? It was obviously a targeted killing.

I could think of a few reasons, like surprise factor, not wanting to give him a chance to get away, the troubles and possible more terrorist attacks that could follow, or maybe they want to seize his computers before he could destroy them if they were to get into any kind of negotiation for his surrender, though I doubt very much he would anyway.

 

[shakenbake]

Heard that Bin Laden died years ago, and this show put on by Obama was just that, a show, to gain support.

If they really did get Bin Laden, why did they not keep his body, and put it on display. Or allow some media access. No, they disposed of the body, if there was a body, where it can never be found.
How did they get DNA proof so fast. After all this supposed raid took place far away from the US and DNA research facilities.

Also heard the long form birth certificate was a fake. Something about it being a pdf with multiple layers. Someone forgot to flatten the image of the long form certificate they created.

Anyway, More stuff for Trump to work with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDTEEXG3ge8

 

[rld]

I completely understand accusing the people who seem to know exactly what happened re: 9/11, and OBL's death of being "Tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists" worthy of ridicule.

What I don't understand is throwing the same accusations at anyone who questions the official theory. Every one of you who simply take the US gov'ts or any gov'ts official story at face value are the truly naive. Let's be real... governments have been studying and applying various techniques to fool and mislead the populace to achieve certain ends since the Roman Republic and probably before that. To think this doesn't happen today is completely ludicrous.

For example, in February of 2010, JSOC forces raided a 'stronghouse' in an Afghan village, killed three women (two pregnant) and ended up with nothing of value. The kicker here is the statement they released claimed ""Several insurgents engaged the joint force in a fire fight and were killed. When the joint force entered the compound they conducted a thorough search of the area, and found the bodies of three women who had been tied up, gagged and killed. The bodies had been hidden in an adjacent room." When this statement was challenged by Afgan investigators, and witnesses came forward claiming they watched US soldiers dig bullets out of the women and arrange them to make it look like a family honour killing, the JSOC Commander, Vice Admiral McRaven capitulated and brought the family two sheep for the purpose of apologizing for the atrocity. http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Afghanista...fghan-civilian-deaths-sheep/story?id=10320603

Do you really think they would have come forward with the truth if not challenged?

To those of you buying this 'official' OBL story at face-value, I strongly advise you re-evaluate the way you consume information and learn to be more skeptical or you're going to continue to be hoodwinked by the powers that be.

This official story smells very bad. They confirmed the DNA sample and threw the body into the sea less than 24 hours after the kill to conform with Islamic burial procedure and prevent a burial site shrine? Really!? Was the US concerned with Islamic custom when they invaded Fallujah at the outset of Ramadan? Did they not realize that the compound where OBL had his final firefight with US forces would become that shrine? Burn it down and you have a burnt down shrine. I'm yet to hear a valid reason for this unprecedented body disposal. Every other time a high value target has been killed or captured like Uday, Qusay, and Saddam Hussein, they made bloody well sure that everyone in the world saw what happens to those audacious enough to defy the US. Al Zaqawi (sp), the supposed leader of "Al Qaeda in Iraq" responsible for the beheading of Daniel Pearl and others? I can still picture the gruesome shot of his dead face. Why no concern about turning these scumbags into martyrs by releasing images? It's been standard policy since the beginning of humanity to send messages by displaying the horrific fate that befalls your enemies. Think Mussolini on the bridge for example.

I can't pretend to know the true story - has he been dead for years? is he still alive? is this official story 100% true? - I don't know for sure. All I know is that I don't buy what the government spoon feeds to the media, and it makes me sick that the mainstream media doesn't ask these fair questions, but simply says "OK" and prints what they're told. That's what the media's job is supposed to be - to challenge the official story until the truth is revealed - much like the truth that was revealed when the Afghans challenged the story about the honour killing.

Call me when you have some evidence contra the official story, which oddly enough makes perfect sense to me.

Even you must agree that if he was still alive the risk of him popping up and saying "boo" would prevent the evil American cover-up generator from announcing he was dead.

 

[splattsplatt]

Bin Laden has been dead for years but then president George W. Bush did not want to admit that they had killed Bin Laden because if they did they had no other reasons to keep the war going in Afghanistan so they strung the war along and president Obama had to go with it.
The U.S was going to end the war in Afghanistan in the next 2 years so it would be great success if they killed Bin Laden and then the war ended.
Here watch this video its from 3 years ago before Benazir Bhutto was assassinated by American backed Pakistanis. Watch it at 2:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

OH dear - another pathetic idiot - If UBL fell on your head you would speak the same rubbish - time for you to move to Syria and comiserate with the brotherhood.